Hello Scott in Canada,
RE : Zieglers from France
Some time ago I sent a message to the Ziegler mailing list which
quoted some info about the ZIEGLER name in ALSACE, FRANCE. Alsace is
a department or district of France which shares a border with Germany.
Here it is again.....
Hello Fellow Ziegler researchers,
In addition to my earlier post concerning the Alsace Genealogy
website, I have now obtained permission from the author to post a
translated version of his article on this list.
The original article, in the French language, can be found at
http://cdhf.telmat-net.fr/retour.fr.html
The author of the article, Andre Ganter, is the Director of the
Centre Departmental d'Histoire des Familles, in Guebwiller, Alsace.
The internet address given above is their website.
The article concerns the origins of the name ZIEGLER, in Alsace. It
includes mentions of specific names, dates, occupations and other info
of general interest.
I have translated the article using the bi-directional translator at
http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com and with the authors permission
have copied my translation into this email below. I trust you will
enjoy reading this, as I did when I first translated it. But remember
that the translation is not perfect by any means. It is done by a
machine, after all. (But I should say that if it wasn't for ALTAVISTA
and the SYSTRAN software, I would not have been able to translate it
at all !)
Another thing which I have learned which might help you is that France
is divided into regions called "departments". Each one has a number.
(And the first 2 digits of the 5 digit zipcodes correspond to the
department number.)
In Alsace region there are two.
67 Bas Rhin
68 Haut Rhin ....for example,
the zipcode for GUEBWILLER, Haut Rhin Department, Alsace region is
68500
In Lorraine there are four.
54 MEURTHE ET MOSELLE
55 MEUSE
57 MOSELLE
88 VOSGES
This is useful when using the French phone book.
http://www.pagesjaunes.fr/wbpm_pages_blanches.cgi?LANGAGE_TYPE=anglais
ZIEGLER is a popular name in these regions today.
Enjoy!
Niall
Cronulla, SYDNEY
Australia.
QUOTE
Ziegler
The carriers of patronym ZIEGLER are very numerous in Alsace. But this
surname is also present in other areas where one meets it in the
French form of THUILLIER.
Because of its frequency, there are several stocks ZIEGLER, not having
any link the ones with the others. The origin of this patronym comes
indeed from the trade of tile maker, i.e. the person who manufactured
tiles and bricks which were used for the various buildings. The Ziegel
prefix is also often used in the toponyms where place names. Thus the
Topographic Dictionary of Haut-Rhin of STOFFEL reveals us the
existence of forty places starting with Ziegel. Let us quote for
example Ziegelweg with Ammerschwihr, Buhl or with Soultz;
Ziegelscheuer with Blodelsheim, Guebwiller, Lautenbach or Rouffach;
quoted Ziegelbrunnen with Blotzheim into 1353.
Ziegler in Switzerland the Historical and Biographical Dictionary of
Switzerland devotes a broad note to this family present in the cantons
of Bern, Freiburg, Saint-Gall, Schaffhouse, Schwyz, Soleure, Uri and
Zurich.
The ZIEGLER are quoted in the canton of Freiburg as of 1258. The
family appears in the middle-class of the town of Freiburg into 1524.
She carried armorial bearings " of azure to a mould to money tile to
the gold edge,charged with three gold stars ".
In the canton of Schaffhouse the patronym makes its appearance into
1316 with the Brother Konrad, treasurer of the convent of " Paradies
".
But the founder of the ZIEGLER become noble in this canton is perhaps
Peter, the merchant come from Constancy at the end of XIVè century.
Family ZIEGLER was also a significant family of advisers of the town
of Zurich.
Ziegler in Mulhouse the Book of the middle-class men of the Town of
Mulhouse indicates to us that a representative of family ZIEGLER
prénommant Hans, was ambassador of the city to attend the crowning of
the Emperor Henri VII in Rome in year 1312.
The registers of the justice of the City mentions us the existence of
Andre ZIEGLER into 1424, Friedrich ZIEGLER into 1425 and Christian
ZIEGLER into 1434.
A certain Andre ZIEGLER took part in the battle of Marignan into 1515,
battles which cost him the life.
A little more than one forty carriers of the patronym are recorded on
the list admission to the middle-class the city Bollwerck between 1552
and 1790. Let us quote for example Michel, the vine grower of them
1580, Jacques, the weaver of wool of them 1584, Daniel, the painter in
1738 or Jean, the butcher in 1765.
The armorial bearings of the ZIEGLER of Mulhouse are " speaking "
since they represent the trade of tile maker by his tool: the tile
mould: " In rothem Felde eine goldene Ziegelform, put einem silbernen
Kreuz verschen und von einem grünen Kranz umgeben, worin silberne
Blumen eingeflochten sind. Auf dem Helme ein Halb roth und halb
silberner Flug, in dessen Mitte die Ziegelform wiederholt STI ".
The extracts of the registers protocols of Mulhouse, published in
Bergha 55, give a report on a marriage contract December 13 1641,
signed between Martin ZIEGLER, wire of the Master Jacques ZIEGLER and
the Lady Marie Ester KAUFFMANN, widow of Michel GROSSHEINTZ, head of
corporation.
Ziegler in Colmar and surroundings the Book of the middle-class men of
Colmar of Roland WERTZ mentions several carriers of patronym ZIEGLER.
The first appearance of the name dates from year 1545 when Gall
ZIEGLER is received middle-class city.
It is learned whereas this last has a house in the street of the Jews,
building located beside the residence of Henri PILGER. Also let us
quote Jean and André ZIEGLER who were allowed with the middle-class,
respectively into 1554 and 1584.
A significant work on families ZIEGLER was completed by Jean Louis
KLEINDIENST.
This document teaches us, in other, that Paul ZIEGLER, wet cooper of
profession, native of Buch in Germany married on July 20 1630 in
Hunawihr Madeleine ENDERLIN.
From this union were born eight children of which Paul, baptized into
1640, who on the spot made stock while taking for woman Anne Marie
FISCHER of Ribeauvillé.
Jean, another son of Paul ZIEGLER and Madeleine ENDERLIN links himself
with Anne Barbe BURCKER which gave him a many descent.
The wine village of Ammerschwihr habrita also family ZIEGLER dice the
beginning of XVIIè century (cf the families of Ammerschwihr, copies
with the CDHF).
In the list of admission to the middle-class of Kaysersberg
established by the Archivist Francis LICHTLÉ, one raises Mathias
ZIEGLER into 1609, Simon ZIEGLER, the baker into 1618 or Valentine and
Laurent ZIEGLER into 1628.
Other mentions In the systematic examination of the parochial
registers of Eguisheim carried out by Jean LORENTZ, appears the
marriage of Nicolas ZIEGLER and Anne HUNDBRECHER, celebrated union on
September 27 1605.
In an act of year 1458, preserved at the Departmental records of
Haut-Rhin, it is mentioned three inhabitants of Hattstatt, of which
Eberhard ZIEGLER (Bergha 43).
In the village close to Gueberschwihr, certain Gangolphe ZIEGLER is
quoted as a provost of the place into 1612.
Pfaffenheim also saw settling a member of family ZIEGLER. Indeed,
Mathias, wire of Martin ZIEGLER and Madeleine GOETZ convola in right
weddings on July 13, 1701 with Anne Marie DOLLFUS.
From this union was born Mathieu in 1716 who links his destiny with
Catherine FRICK.
In addition, a very old mention is raised in the work of Theobald
WALTER " Urkunden und Regesten der Stadt Rufach ".
Thursday after the Nicolas Saint of year 1339, in other words on
December 9, Agnes ZIEGLER of Rouffach makes donation of a silver
revenue, guaranteed by its grounds with the round of applause of
Rouffach, at a religious institution of the city.
Not far from the small medieval city of Rouffach, in Westhalten, five
unions ZIEGLER were celebrated in the Church Saint Blaise of the
village.
Let us note for example that on June 19 1667, Jean Conrad ZIEGLER,
native of Orschwihr married Barbe HEITZMANN, of which it had three
children.
A few years later, Adam ZIEGLER links its intended for Marie GASSER.
Let us raise also the existence of a monument gone back to 1852 in the
cemetery of Orschwihr, with the memory of Anne Marie ZIEGLER deceased
the same year.
The repertory of the Clergy of Alsace of Louis KAMMERER quotes George
ZIEGLER, wire of Louis and native of Soultz, which was ordered priest
on April 5 1670.
Cleaned (curate??? problem with the translation - I think this word
might mean the religious position of curate or priest) of Steinbach,
then of Leimbach, it is lived to allot the load of the parish of
Aspach, where it died.
In the same way, Jerome ZIEGLER was cleaned of Issenheim from 1673 to
1692.
In Buhl before the Thirty Year old war the analysis of the notarial
acts of Ancien Régime of the commune of Buhl shows that of the ZIEGLER
were present in the village before " the Swedish invasion ".
In December 1626 one proceeded to the inventory of the goods of fire
Conrad ZIEGLER. The sharing was carried out between its widow,
Marguerithe SCHMITT and the children.
Four years later a second sharing confirmed the first. This act
specified that the late one had the right of middle-class to Buhl and
that it sat within the weekly court. Then the patronym seems to die
out in Buhl and it reappears after a few decades by the contribution
of outsides.
In 1739 it is Sebastien ZIEGLER of Soultzmatt which married, in the
church of Our Lady of Lorette, Suzanne BALLIFF the widow of Balthazard
HILDENBRAND.
Then a half century later we raise the marriage of Gangolphe ZIEGLER
coming from Orschwihr, with Anne Marie UNTERNEHR of Buhl.
The establishments Ziegler & Creuter de Guebwiller the factory of
Indians (cotton fabric painted or printed) was founded in 1805 in
Guebwiller. In 1823, it for had associated Jean Jacques ZIEGLER,
father and Louis CREUTER. It had at this time there approximately
thousand two hundred weaving looms dispersed in the surrounding
communes.
Indeed, following the expansion of the industrial plants of Guebwiller
at the beginning of XIXème century, the domestic industry developed in
a very significant way. Cottons were delivered to the tisserands by
clerks of the spinning mill who recovered then the fabrics (Lindeblätt
number 1). In 1828, the company is repurchased by Frederic Jacques
WITZ for then becoming establishment FREY and WITZ.
Also let us note that in 1826, the church of Dominican of Guebwiller
was used as deposit with dyeing ZIEGLER-CREUTER.
There Ziegler in Americas A the instar of other Alsatian families,
certain representatives of family ZIEGLER left their native soil for
the New World, hoping to find a life better.
Thus, thanks to the examination of the requests for passport of the
haut-rhinois for Americas by Domenica DREYER, one knows that Sebastien
ZIEGLER, native of Guebwiller, left the capital of Florival with his
wife and his brother in 1849 bound for the Orleans News. (New Orleans)
Married with Catherine ZIMMERLÉ whom it had married in Guebwiller on
September 22, 1842, he was the son of Joseph ZIEGLER, shoe-maker and
of Madeleine HATZIG, thanoise of origin.
It is the same for Jules and Maurice ZIEGLER, both guebwillerois. The
first, then 22 years old, left for San Francisco after having made a
request forpassport on February 26, 1849. The second, founder of
profession, choose to fix themselves in a city of the Orleans News.
Andre Ganter
ENDQUOUTE
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott dePass <sdepass(a)netcom.ca>
To: ZIEGLER-L(a)rootsweb.com <ZIEGLER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 6:18 PM
Subject: [ZIEGLER-L] Louis ZIEGLER & family
Hi there!
I'm STILL trying to sort out my ZIEGLER family line. My
g-g-grandfather
was Louis J. ZIEGLER. I have been told he was from France. He
married an
Ellen LLOYD (not sure where) and they settled in Brooklyn, NJ. They
had
three daughters (not sure of birth order) : Mary, Lillian and Ellen
(March
8, 1883 - Jan 11, 1969). Mary married a CROSBY (Bergenfield, NJ) and
Lillian married a NISSEL (Plainsfield, NJ). Ellen married Edward
DEPASS
Nov 27, 1906 in Jersey City, NJ. Edward & Ellen moved around
quite a
bit
and finally settled in Ontario, Canada. Can anyone help me with my
branches
on the ZIEGLER tree. Thanks and take care
Scott dePass
Hamilton, Ontario
CANADA
sdepass(a)netcom.ca