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TO: Primarily, the descendants of Michael Ziegler, Sr. (1684-1765) of PA
MY NOTES REGARDING THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION:
* Numbers inside [brackets] indicate footnotes for source documentation
* Any other information inside [brackets] has been added by Brad Ziegler
for clarification
ZIEGLERVILLE, PA.
"The descendants of [immigrant] Michael ZIEGLER are many. The town of
Zieglerville in Montgomery County [PA], perpetuates the family name."[1]
It has been said that "His oldest son, Andrew, for whom Zieglerville was
named...."[2] is the founder, however, this "Bishop" Andrew ZIEGLER died
in 1797 and the town was not actually founded until 1835.
"On Feb. 6, 1760, George Wygard, or Weichert, bought...306 acres of land
located in Frederick Township, comprising ground upon which the present
village of Zieglerville and its surroundings are located...this
land...later came into the possession of Andrew ZIEGLER [b. 1770, the
grandson of "Bishop" Andrew ZIEGLER] and his son, Henry [b. 1793] from
whom the village of Zieglerville took its name...but no deed is on record
to show when Andrew ZIEGLER [b. 1770] purchased this land in Frederick,..." [3]
The Andrew ZIEGLER house [probably that of "Bishop"Andrew and not his
grandson, Andrew] still remains there in Zieglerville along with
Ziegler's Mill on the Perkiomen Creek.
"The village of Zieglerville is situated in the southern part of [Lower
Frederick] township and is located on the Perkiomen and Sumneytown
Turnpike. Before the building of the railroad it was an important meeting
point for stage [coach] lines."[4]
Frederick Township was originally organized in 1730, and later was split
into Upper and Lower Frederick Townships on Nov. 20, 1919. This township
was settled primarily by people of German descent and has been
historically agricultural and retains its rural and Pennsylvania Dutch
[Deutsch] characteristics.
SOURCES:
[1] "History of Lehigh County, PA.", Vol. 3, p. 1230
[2] Gertrude Mohlin Ziegler, "The Ziegler Family and Related Families in
Pennsylvania", 1978, p. 90
[3] Johann Beaver Strassburger, "Strassburger and Allied Families", 1922,
p. 446
[4] Ibid. p. 445
********************************************************************
Hi Brad,
My Zieglers are from Zieglerville also. My direct line is from Jesse
Ziegler. He lived at Upper Salford and attended the Old Gossenhoppen
Church. He came to Montgomery County about the same time as Michael. I
am assuming he is related to Michael Ziegler, but I don't have any
documentation.
The paper I have says that the Zieglerville Zieglers were from
Wurttemburg, Germany.
----Leighanne Zeigler, <lzeigler(a)wpiusa.com>, Aug. 1998
******************************************
Hi Leighanne,
You stated that a relative of yours had done a paper on the Zieglers of
Zieglerville and that they came from Wurttembourg, Germany. I would like
very much to have a copy of that paper (of course, will reimburse you) if
you could send one. The only Jesse I have found in my research is a
grandson of Immigrant Michael:
1 Michael ZIEGLER b. 1684 + Catherine (---)
....2 William ZIEGLER b. 1728 + Hester CLEMENS
.........3 Jesse Michael ZIEGLER b. 1769 + Maria SASSAMAN and Anna SCHUTZ
----Brad Ziegler, Dec. 1998
*****************************************************
I never received any paper or any return e-mails from Leighanne after
this last message. Her comments seem to contradict the documented
Zieglerville information I have come across.
---Brad Ziegler, Aug. 1999
*******************************************************
QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE TO RESPOND TO/COMMENT ON:
1) Has anyone else corresponded with this Leighanne Zeigler or have a
copy of the paper she was offering?
2) Does anyone have any other resources for information regarding Zieglerville?
Blessings,
Brad Ziegler
Union, MO.
Hello:
Thanks for sharing the location of Kohler, Germany. Any idea if LDS
History Center would have microfilmed records of Kohler Ziegler's?
Thanks,
Judy (in Ks)
On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:00:39 +1000 "Niall" <nbt(a)zip.com.au> writes:
>Hello Judy,
>Do you know where KOHLER is ?
>It is 10 miles from the city of WU"RZBURG in Bavaria (Bayern).
>http://www.wuerzburg.de/ (German)
>http://www.wuerzburg.de/index.eng.html (English)
>
>My Australian-German Ziegler ancestor came from the Prussian Province
>of Saxony (now Sachsen-Anhalt state), in 1859 at the age of 20 yrs.
>He was a stonemason, which is probably an appropriate trade for a
>Ziegler, as I've heard it (Ziegler) means "brick or tile maker".
>Prussian Provinz Sachsen was next to the Kingdom of Saxony (now
>Sachsen state). He had siblings who "went to America", but I have
>not
>yet made any connection with these yet, because i don't yet know
>their
>names.
>
>Also, in the German telephone book there are about 22,000 listings
>for
>Ziegler.
>(And much less for "Zeigler")
>It is thus quite a common name.
>
>Niall in Sydney, Australia
>Genealogy Homepage :
>http://www.shoal.net.au/~berry/genealogy/index.html
>Genealogy Surnames Interest : ZIEGLER / VAN ETTEN / VON ETTEN
>Genealogy location interests: PRUSSIAN PROVINCE OF SAXONY
>(Sachsen-Anhalt & Thuringen), Germany / ALSACE, FRANCE
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Judy D Whisler <jdwhisler(a)juno.com>
>To: ZIEGLER-L(a)rootsweb.com <ZIEGLER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 4:51 AM
>Subject: Re: [ZIEGLER-L] The First Zieglers
>
>
>>Hi:
>>
>>Don't know if it will help, but my Ckristopher Ziegler was born in
>1860's
>>in KOHLER, GERMANY and so was his wife ELIZABETH KLUG. They settled
>in
>>Pottawatomie County, Ks. This at least gives you another location
>that
>>Ziegler's came from.
>>
>>Judy (in Ks)
>
>
>
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> who has an interest in genealogy or history
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>
Hello Judy,
Do you know where KOHLER is ?
It is 10 miles from the city of WU"RZBURG in Bavaria (Bayern).
http://www.wuerzburg.de/ (German)
http://www.wuerzburg.de/index.eng.html (English)
My Australian-German Ziegler ancestor came from the Prussian Province
of Saxony (now Sachsen-Anhalt state), in 1859 at the age of 20 yrs.
He was a stonemason, which is probably an appropriate trade for a
Ziegler, as I've heard it (Ziegler) means "brick or tile maker".
Prussian Provinz Sachsen was next to the Kingdom of Saxony (now
Sachsen state). He had siblings who "went to America", but I have not
yet made any connection with these yet, because i don't yet know their
names.
Also, in the German telephone book there are about 22,000 listings for
Ziegler.
(And much less for "Zeigler")
It is thus quite a common name.
Niall in Sydney, Australia
Genealogy Homepage :
http://www.shoal.net.au/~berry/genealogy/index.html
Genealogy Surnames Interest : ZIEGLER / VAN ETTEN / VON ETTEN
Genealogy location interests: PRUSSIAN PROVINCE OF SAXONY
(Sachsen-Anhalt & Thuringen), Germany / ALSACE, FRANCE
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy D Whisler <jdwhisler(a)juno.com>
To: ZIEGLER-L(a)rootsweb.com <ZIEGLER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: [ZIEGLER-L] The First Zieglers
>Hi:
>
>Don't know if it will help, but my Ckristopher Ziegler was born in
1860's
>in KOHLER, GERMANY and so was his wife ELIZABETH KLUG. They settled
in
>Pottawatomie County, Ks. This at least gives you another location
that
>Ziegler's came from.
>
>Judy (in Ks)
Brad Ziegler wrote:
>
> TO: Primarily, the descendants of Michael Ziegler, Sr. (1684-1765) of PA
>
> MY NOTES REGARDING THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION:
> * Numbers inside [brackets] indicate footnotes for source documentation
> * Any other information inside [brackets] has been added by Brad Ziegler
> for clarification
>
> "THE FIRST ZIEGLERS IN AMERICA"
> The first Ziegler documented in North America was in 1622. His name was
> George [1], or was it Hans [2]? However, "the traditional 'three
> brothers' are said to have founded the family in America. Two of the
> brothers, Michael and Melchior, settled in eastern Pennsylvania." [3] No
> information is given about the third founding Ziegler brother, and he is,
> unfortunately, not mentioned by name. I descend from the emigrant,
> Michael Ziegler.
>
> "WHERE DID THESE THREE BROTHERS COME FROM?"
> The answer to this question still remains a mystery. The specific link to
> a European city/area has not been made to my knowledge, though many have
> researched it.
>
> Our Ziegler family came, most likely, from the Palatinate, a name given
> to a district in southern Germany which lay west of the Rhine River. This
> is based on the following two accounts: #1) It is generally believed that
> the Michael Ziegler who embarked with the first party of Palatine
> emigrants in May of 1709 is our ancestor. [4] and #2) In his diary, the
> Rev. John Henry Helffrich writes, "The first settlers of this
> congregation were a small party of that started together from the
> Palatinate." [5] Melchior Ziegler, may have been among them.
>
> Though these Ziegler brothers may have lived in and departed from the
> Palatinate they may have previously migrated to the Palatinate from
> Switzerland.
>
> SOURCES:
> [1] Jack C. Ziegler, "Ziegler Immigrants and Their New World
> Descendants", 1988, c/o 3699 Ira Road, Bath, Ohio 44210 (216) 867-6506.
> [This book was published, marketed, and solicited to every Ziegler family
> in America. Some of its information may not be reliable.]
> [2] Arlan G. Ziegler, "The New World Book of Zieglers", 1998, c/o 3687
> Ira Road, Bath, Ohio 44210 (330) 945-8200. [This book was published,
> marketed, and solicited to every Ziegler family in America 10 years
> later. Change the title, change the author, but its contents are still suspect.]
> [3] "History of Lehigh County, PA" Vol. 3, p. 1230
> [4] "Early Eighteenth Century Palatine Emigration", p. 247
> [5] C.R. Roberts, "History of Lehigh County, PA", p. 980
>
> *************************************************************
>
> "THE MELCHIOR ZIEGLER FAMILY"
> (of Northampton/Lehigh County, PA)
>
> [Emigrant] Melchior Ziegler, the [likely younger] brother of Michael, was
> a pioneer settler in Northampton County in the territory now embraced in
> the Macungie Township of Lehigh County. His name appears, in 1749, among
> the heads of families who built 'Ziegel church' [a German Reformed and
> Lutheran Church which still exists in Weissenberg Township], and in 1762,
> his name is among the taxables of Macungie Township. He had among others,
> the following sons; Philip and Abraham." [1]
>
> In his diary, the Rev. John Henry Helffrich writes, "The first settlers
> of this congregation [Ziegel Church] were a small party of that started
> together from the Palatinate." [2] Melchior Ziegler, may have been among them.
>
> Melchior was naturalized at the Philadelphia Courthouse on 9 Oct 1765
> [3], about the time of his brother Michael's death, and is later listed
> as a farmer in 1772. [4]
>
> Philip and Andrew Zeigler from Northampton County are listed as rangers
> in the Revolutionary War [5] and Jacob Ziegler was Lieutenant of the
> Heidelberg Company of the Northampton County Militia. [6]
> Philip Ziegler owned 150 acres in 1785 & 1788 in Macungie Township [4]
> and Andrew Sighler (4-4-5) was living in Macungie Township of Northampton
> County during the first Federal census taken in 1790. These men are all
> likely descendants of Melchior Ziegler.
>
> SOURCES:
> [1] "History of Lehigh County, PA" Vol. 3, p. 1230
> [2] C.R. Roberts, "History of Lehigh County, PA", p. 980
> [3] "Naturalizations of Foreign Protestants in the American Colonies", p. 123
> [4] "The Pennsylvania Archives", Tax Lists
> [5] "The Pennsylvania Archives", 3rd Series, p. 297 & 307
> [6] "Pennsylvania, War of the Revolution", Vol. 1, p. 567
>
> ********************************************************************************
>
> QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE TO RESPOND TO/COMMENT ON:
> 1) Does anyone know where the 3 Ziegler brothers came from "specifically"?
> Some believe Switzerland and many other Zieglers came from the
> Wuerttemburg (sic) area.
> 2) Does anyone know the name of the third Ziegler brother?
> 3) Does anyone know anymore about the Melchior Ziegler family?
> 4) Does anyone know the parents names of Michael and Melchior?
> 5) Does anyone have a copy of either "Ziegler Immigrants and Their New
> World Descendants", 1988 or "The New World Book of Zieglers", 1998? Is
> there anything of signficance in these books?
> 6) Does anyone have any insight as to why Michael was Mennonite and yet
> his brother, Melchior, was German
> Reformed/Lutheran?
>
> Looking forward to your responses to any or all of my questions,
> Brad Ziegler
> Union, MO.
>
> P.S. For those who are interested, the full narrative (about 3
> paragraphs) from "History of Lehigh County, PA" which mentions brothers,
> Michael and Melchior, will come in separate message.
>
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Brad: When I sent some Zeigler information, I don't think the beginning
part went through, probably somehow didn't transmit.
The ancestor I was talking about that might be from the third
brother's family was Jacob Zeigler. He was born january 14, 1740 in
Pennsylvania and died February 25, 1826. He is buried in forest Toiwnip
Cemetary, Circleville, Ohio. He estsablished his home there after
serving in the Revolutionary War.
It was through his records that I qualified to joing the DAR.
I hope I haven't totally confused anyone.
I didn't realize there were so many researching the Zeigler surname.
Hopefully I can make a connection with someone.
Best wishes,
Mary Lou Heal Gdowski
Nebraska-USA
mlg(a)hamilton.net
Bath Ohio, yes it is a scam. An earlier message described the process.
Beware, post cards come from them every year.
Lewis Townsend.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Wckedwnch(a)aol.com>
To: <ZIEGLER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [ZIEGLER-L] Re:World Book of Zieglers
> Yes i have heard the same thing about these "world books". Not very good
at
> all and actually i saw news program on dateline or one of those programs
> basically saying they are scams. I think the place that that talked about
> and the one that i have gotten information from is in Ohio somewhere.
>
>
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Hi:
Don't know if it will help, but my Ckristopher Ziegler was born in 1860's
in KOHLER, GERMANY and so was his wife ELIZABETH KLUG. They settled in
Pottawatomie County, Ks. This at least gives you another location that
Ziegler's came from.
Judy (in Ks)
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:33:24 -0500 Brad Ziegler <zinc(a)mail.usmo.com>
writes:
>TO: Primarily, the descendants of Michael Ziegler, Sr. (1684-1765) of
>PA
>
>MY NOTES REGARDING THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION:
>* Numbers inside [brackets] indicate footnotes for source
>documentation
>* Any other information inside [brackets] has been added by Brad
>Ziegler
>for clarification
>
>
>"THE FIRST ZIEGLERS IN AMERICA"
>The first Ziegler documented in North America was in 1622. His name
>was
>George [1], or was it Hans [2]? However, "the traditional 'three
>brothers' are said to have founded the family in America. Two of the
>brothers, Michael and Melchior, settled in eastern Pennsylvania." [3]
>No
>information is given about the third founding Ziegler brother, and he
>is,
>unfortunately, not mentioned by name. I descend from the emigrant,
>Michael Ziegler.
>
>"WHERE DID THESE THREE BROTHERS COME FROM?"
>The answer to this question still remains a mystery. The specific link
>to
>a European city/area has not been made to my knowledge, though many
>have
>researched it.
>
>Our Ziegler family came, most likely, from the Palatinate, a name
>given
>to a district in southern Germany which lay west of the Rhine River.
>This
>is based on the following two accounts: #1) It is generally
>believed that
>the Michael Ziegler who embarked with the first party of Palatine
>emigrants in May of 1709 is our ancestor. [4] and #2) In his diary,
>the
>Rev. John Henry Helffrich writes, "The first settlers of this
>congregation were a small party of that started together from the
>Palatinate." [5] Melchior Ziegler, may have been among them.
>
>Though these Ziegler brothers may have lived in and departed from the
>
>Palatinate they may have previously migrated to the Palatinate from
>Switzerland.
>
>SOURCES:
>[1] Jack C. Ziegler, "Ziegler Immigrants and Their New World
>Descendants", 1988, c/o 3699 Ira Road, Bath, Ohio 44210 (216)
>867-6506.
>[This book was published, marketed, and solicited to every Ziegler
>family
>in America. Some of its information may not be reliable.]
>[2] Arlan G. Ziegler, "The New World Book of Zieglers", 1998, c/o 3687
>
>Ira Road, Bath, Ohio 44210 (330) 945-8200. [This book was published,
>marketed, and solicited to every Ziegler family in America 10 years
>later. Change the title, change the author, but its contents are still
>suspect.]
>[3] "History of Lehigh County, PA" Vol. 3, p. 1230
>[4] "Early Eighteenth Century Palatine Emigration", p. 247
>[5] C.R. Roberts, "History of Lehigh County, PA", p. 980
>
>*************************************************************
>
>"THE MELCHIOR ZIEGLER FAMILY"
>(of Northampton/Lehigh County, PA)
>
>[Emigrant] Melchior Ziegler, the [likely younger] brother of Michael,
>was
>a pioneer settler in Northampton County in the territory now embraced
>in
>the Macungie Township of Lehigh County. His name appears, in 1749,
>among
>the heads of families who built 'Ziegel church' [a German Reformed and
>
>Lutheran Church which still exists in Weissenberg Township], and in
>1762,
>his name is among the taxables of Macungie Township. He had among
>others,
>the following sons; Philip and Abraham." [1]
>
>In his diary, the Rev. John Henry Helffrich writes, "The first
>settlers
>of this congregation [Ziegel Church] were a small party of that
>started
>together from the Palatinate." [2] Melchior Ziegler, may have been
>among them.
>
>Melchior was naturalized at the Philadelphia Courthouse on 9 Oct 1765
>
>[3], about the time of his brother Michael's death, and is later
>listed
>as a farmer in 1772. [4]
>
>Philip and Andrew Zeigler from Northampton County are listed as
>rangers
>in the Revolutionary War [5] and Jacob Ziegler was Lieutenant of the
>Heidelberg Company of the Northampton County Militia. [6]
>Philip Ziegler owned 150 acres in 1785 & 1788 in Macungie Township [4]
>
>and Andrew Sighler (4-4-5) was living in Macungie Township of
>Northampton
>County during the first Federal census taken in 1790. These men are
>all
>likely descendants of Melchior Ziegler.
>
>SOURCES:
>[1] "History of Lehigh County, PA" Vol. 3, p. 1230
>[2] C.R. Roberts, "History of Lehigh County, PA", p. 980
>[3] "Naturalizations of Foreign Protestants in the American Colonies",
>p. 123
>[4] "The Pennsylvania Archives", Tax Lists
>[5] "The Pennsylvania Archives", 3rd Series, p. 297 & 307
>[6] "Pennsylvania, War of the Revolution", Vol. 1, p. 567
>
>************************************************************************
********
>
>QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE TO RESPOND TO/COMMENT ON:
>1) Does anyone know where the 3 Ziegler brothers came from
>"specifically"?
>Some believe Switzerland and many other Zieglers came from the
>Wuerttemburg (sic) area.
>2) Does anyone know the name of the third Ziegler brother?
>3) Does anyone know anymore about the Melchior Ziegler family?
>4) Does anyone know the parents names of Michael and Melchior?
>5) Does anyone have a copy of either "Ziegler Immigrants and Their
>New
>World Descendants", 1988 or "The New World Book of Zieglers", 1998? Is
>
>there anything of signficance in these books?
>6) Does anyone have any insight as to why Michael was Mennonite and
>yet
>his brother, Melchior, was German
>Reformed/Lutheran?
>
>Looking forward to your responses to any or all of my questions,
>Brad Ziegler
>Union, MO.
>
>P.S. For those who are interested, the full narrative (about 3
>paragraphs) from "History of Lehigh County, PA" which mentions
>brothers,
>Michael and Melchior, will come in separate message.
>
>
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>
Yes i have heard the same thing about these "world books". Not very good at
all and actually i saw news program on dateline or one of those programs
basically saying they are scams. I think the place that that talked about
and the one that i have gotten information from is in Ohio somewhere.
If You want to know the names of whoever who lives wherever just go to
www.anywho.com and you can get the address and a map. Scary ain't it.
Charles T. Zeigler
Robert, you mentioned that you did not think you were akin to Fritz and
his folks because of the time frame. You never know. There are several
generations between me and him and I am still kin to him. We are
striving to get a German connection. We are working to find the Germany
lineage of Fritz while he was in Germany. Try to go back in your lineage
to Germany and let us try to link our resources together. I have often
wondered why our ancestors named so many folks with the same name. It
looked like they had a child about every year and they were in a contest
with their other five or six cousins to name their child the same name
first. This does not help you and I when we are trying to identify our
ancestors. Add to that the fact that they either did not keep good
records or they were burned in the war or lost by family members who did
not see the importance. I would like to have at least 3 generations from
each of Fritz' children before I end my researching. I have basically
the same records that Bob Hemphill has but like him we do not have
concrete documentation on all of it. Now that would be nice to have. By
the way, you know Bob lives right in the middle of all that stuff and I
am thinking of moving in with him when I retire. He has not invited me
to just yet. I think we will have to work out the problem of my
Chihuahua's. They go where I go. ha ha.
I would have entered the chat site sooner but I am in the process of
printing a book and have been so busy. I got the book from the
proofreader yesterday and hope to take it to the printer Friday. This
along with a full time job and other volunteer involvements. It has been
a long time desire to find a PA and SC connection. My dad told me when
he wrote his book that the old family told him that one of Fritz'
children went north but they did not know which one. That has not been
proved. Sadly to say that dad did not document his work as he went
along. I still have his hand written notes but they do no tell me a lot
about his documentation. He did tell me this weekend that he got a lot
of his information from his great grandaddy. I did not know it but he
started his record keeping when he was in CCC camp. Now that dates back
to the early 30's. His great grandaddy did not die until 1942 and that
made my dad 21 years old. I wish the bug had hit me at that age. A lot
of those old folks were still living when I was that age. Oh well,
spilled milk.
I have taken enough of your time. Must go to work now and make some
money for Ho Ho (santa). You know old folks work for grandkids anyway.
I have been printing and saving all the lineages. One day they will all
come together and I want to be right there in the middle. Take care and
chat later. My lineage is in my signature.
Hi Bob.
CHARLES T. ZEIGLER (B-05-13-48, Valdosta, Ga.) P.O. BOX 135, NEWTON, AL.
36352 FROSTYMORN(a)JUNO.COM 334-299-3672 (FRITZ > MICHAEL, SR. > JOSEPH >
JOHN DARLING >
JACOB AARON > HERBERT EZRA > EZRA LEE > CHARLES T.)
Honey mentioned the World Book of Zieglers....(see below)
Well I have the World Book of Tangney's and it is probably by the same
publisher.
It is a joke. My mother bought it and my opinion is that I reckon she
was ripped-off. Why pay for a list of names and addresses ? There
was nothing in the book specific to the Tangney name aside from a list
of addresses which were no doubt gleaned from Telephone books around
the world. The other infomation it had on genealogy was very general,
and I think you could learn more from the net in half an hour...
Niall Tangney in Sydney, Australia
Genealogy Homepage :
http://www.shoal.net.au/~berry/genealogy/index.html
Genealogy Surnames Interest : ZIEGLER / VAN ETTEN / VON ETTEN
Genealogy location interests: PRUSSIAN PROVINCE OF SAXONY
(Sachsen-Anhalt & Thuringen), Germany / ALSACE, FRANCE
>Brad--Forget the "World Book of Zeiglers." Anything from that
publisher in
>Bath, OH is garbage. See back issues of Eastman's Online Newsletter
for the
>full story. They pull info off of random data bases, slap it
together, make
>up an author's name with the pertinent last name, and solicit buyers
by mail.
> Most of it is boilerplate. They do it for any name that has any
substantial
>amount of possible buyers.
>Sorry, Honey Lanham Dodge
pt. Jonathan Jones Pennsylvania 1st Battalion dur ing the Revolutionary
War. He was commissioned on November 12, 1775, His name last apapeared
on the roll as an Ensign at the barracks at Philadelphia on December 12,
1775. He then served as a First Lieutenant in the 2nd Pennsylvania
Regiment until January 1, 1775.
These facts were found in the Pennsylvania Archives.He moved to Ohio
after the war and is buried in Forest Township Cemetary at Circleville,
Ohio.
I am wondering if he might be a son of the third brother? What do you
think?
Best wishes,
Mary Lou Heal Gdowski
Nebraska-USAmlg(a)hamilton.net
Brad--Forget the "World Book of Zeiglers." Anything from that publisher in
Bath, OH is garbage. See back issues of Eastman's Online Newsletter for the
full story. They pull info off of random data bases, slap it together, make
up an author's name with the pertinent last name, and solicit buyers by mail.
Most of it is boilerplate. They do it for any name that has any substantial
amount of possible buyers.
Sorry, Honey Lanham Dodge
Brad wrote...
>QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE TO RESPOND TO/COMMENT ON:
>
>4) Does anyone know the parents names of Michael and Melchior?
Brad,
I don't have anything to go on for question #4 other then the naming paterns
that many mennonites followed at the time. The oldest son and dau was named
after the maternal grandparents. Michael oldest son is named Andrew and
oldest dau was Barbara, same as Catherine's parents Andrew & Barbara
Shrager. The second son and dau was named for the paternal grandparents.
Christopher is the name of Michael's #2 son and Margaret the #2 dau. This is
only a clue as to what their names might be. This patern wasn't set in
stone, there are many cases where it wasn't followed. Some reasons why you
can't count on it might be,1 a child could have died and is not listed in
any records. 2 a person might have broken relations with a parent/ child
etc. 3 Someone very close to the parents might be honored by naming the
child after them. You get the idea, but if I was searching for records in
Europe I would pay extra attention to any Zieglers with the same names as
Michaels sons & daughters. I don't have any names for Melchor kids, that
might offer some clues also.
Sam Detwiler
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TO: Primarily, the descendants of Michael Ziegler, Sr. (1684-1765) of PA
SIEGLER
(ZIEGLER) FAMILY
The traditional "three brothers" are said to have founded the family in
America. Two of the brothers, Michael and Melchior, settled in eastern
Pennsylvania. Michael Ziegler, in 1717, was appointed one of the trustees
of the land belonging to the Skiappack Mennonite church. He was born in
1685; was naturalized in 1731, and made his last will and testament in
1763. In it he mentions nine children, as follows: Andrew, Christopher,
Michael, William. Gertrude, Susanna, Margareth, Catharine and Barbara.
This pioneer first owned but fifty acres of land, but in 1728, he
purchased 400 acres more, located in Goshenhoppen, and on the sixth day
of the sixth month of the same year, he was granted 100 acres in Lower
Salford, just across the line, bordering on his other land. Four hundred
and fifty acres of the Goshenhoppen tract were situated on the Perkiomen
Creek, in Upper Hanover Township, and the sons, Andrew, Michael,
Christopher, and, perhaps, several sons-in-law, owned the land after
their father's death.
The descendants of Michael Ziegler are many. The town of Zieglerville in
Montgomery County, perpetuates the family name.
Melchior Ziegler, the brother of Michael, was a pioneer settler in
Northampton County, in the territory now embraced in Macungie Township,
Lehigh County. His name appears, in 1749, among the heads of families who
built "Ziegel Church", and in 1762, his name is among the taxables of
Macungie Township. He had among others, the following sons: Philip and Abraham.
SOURCE: "History of Lehigh County, PA" Vol. 3, p. 1230
Blessings,
Brad Ziegler
Union, MO.
P.S. I will soon send what I have compiled on Zieglerville, PA.
TO: Primarily, the descendants of Michael Ziegler, Sr. (1684-1765) of PA
MY NOTES REGARDING THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION:
* Numbers inside [brackets] indicate footnotes for source documentation
* Any other information inside [brackets] has been added by Brad Ziegler
for clarification
"THE FIRST ZIEGLERS IN AMERICA"
The first Ziegler documented in North America was in 1622. His name was
George [1], or was it Hans [2]? However, "the traditional 'three
brothers' are said to have founded the family in America. Two of the
brothers, Michael and Melchior, settled in eastern Pennsylvania." [3] No
information is given about the third founding Ziegler brother, and he is,
unfortunately, not mentioned by name. I descend from the emigrant,
Michael Ziegler.
"WHERE DID THESE THREE BROTHERS COME FROM?"
The answer to this question still remains a mystery. The specific link to
a European city/area has not been made to my knowledge, though many have
researched it.
Our Ziegler family came, most likely, from the Palatinate, a name given
to a district in southern Germany which lay west of the Rhine River. This
is based on the following two accounts: #1) It is generally believed that
the Michael Ziegler who embarked with the first party of Palatine
emigrants in May of 1709 is our ancestor. [4] and #2) In his diary, the
Rev. John Henry Helffrich writes, "The first settlers of this
congregation were a small party of that started together from the
Palatinate." [5] Melchior Ziegler, may have been among them.
Though these Ziegler brothers may have lived in and departed from the
Palatinate they may have previously migrated to the Palatinate from
Switzerland.
SOURCES:
[1] Jack C. Ziegler, "Ziegler Immigrants and Their New World
Descendants", 1988, c/o 3699 Ira Road, Bath, Ohio 44210 (216) 867-6506.
[This book was published, marketed, and solicited to every Ziegler family
in America. Some of its information may not be reliable.]
[2] Arlan G. Ziegler, "The New World Book of Zieglers", 1998, c/o 3687
Ira Road, Bath, Ohio 44210 (330) 945-8200. [This book was published,
marketed, and solicited to every Ziegler family in America 10 years
later. Change the title, change the author, but its contents are still suspect.]
[3] "History of Lehigh County, PA" Vol. 3, p. 1230
[4] "Early Eighteenth Century Palatine Emigration", p. 247
[5] C.R. Roberts, "History of Lehigh County, PA", p. 980
*************************************************************
"THE MELCHIOR ZIEGLER FAMILY"
(of Northampton/Lehigh County, PA)
[Emigrant] Melchior Ziegler, the [likely younger] brother of Michael, was
a pioneer settler in Northampton County in the territory now embraced in
the Macungie Township of Lehigh County. His name appears, in 1749, among
the heads of families who built 'Ziegel church' [a German Reformed and
Lutheran Church which still exists in Weissenberg Township], and in 1762,
his name is among the taxables of Macungie Township. He had among others,
the following sons; Philip and Abraham." [1]
In his diary, the Rev. John Henry Helffrich writes, "The first settlers
of this congregation [Ziegel Church] were a small party of that started
together from the Palatinate." [2] Melchior Ziegler, may have been among them.
Melchior was naturalized at the Philadelphia Courthouse on 9 Oct 1765
[3], about the time of his brother Michael's death, and is later listed
as a farmer in 1772. [4]
Philip and Andrew Zeigler from Northampton County are listed as rangers
in the Revolutionary War [5] and Jacob Ziegler was Lieutenant of the
Heidelberg Company of the Northampton County Militia. [6]
Philip Ziegler owned 150 acres in 1785 & 1788 in Macungie Township [4]
and Andrew Sighler (4-4-5) was living in Macungie Township of Northampton
County during the first Federal census taken in 1790. These men are all
likely descendants of Melchior Ziegler.
SOURCES:
[1] "History of Lehigh County, PA" Vol. 3, p. 1230
[2] C.R. Roberts, "History of Lehigh County, PA", p. 980
[3] "Naturalizations of Foreign Protestants in the American Colonies", p. 123
[4] "The Pennsylvania Archives", Tax Lists
[5] "The Pennsylvania Archives", 3rd Series, p. 297 & 307
[6] "Pennsylvania, War of the Revolution", Vol. 1, p. 567
********************************************************************************
QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE TO RESPOND TO/COMMENT ON:
1) Does anyone know where the 3 Ziegler brothers came from "specifically"?
Some believe Switzerland and many other Zieglers came from the
Wuerttemburg (sic) area.
2) Does anyone know the name of the third Ziegler brother?
3) Does anyone know anymore about the Melchior Ziegler family?
4) Does anyone know the parents names of Michael and Melchior?
5) Does anyone have a copy of either "Ziegler Immigrants and Their New
World Descendants", 1988 or "The New World Book of Zieglers", 1998? Is
there anything of signficance in these books?
6) Does anyone have any insight as to why Michael was Mennonite and yet
his brother, Melchior, was German
Reformed/Lutheran?
Looking forward to your responses to any or all of my questions,
Brad Ziegler
Union, MO.
P.S. For those who are interested, the full narrative (about 3
paragraphs) from "History of Lehigh County, PA" which mentions brothers,
Michael and Melchior, will come in separate message.
Thanks for the great chart and reply.
Unless we have a collateral line, they don't seem to match.
Everyone is correct on the name spelling. I've seen Zei, Zie, Zi, Ciz,
and my all time favorite Zieggeller!
Happy Hunting!
Bill Zeigler
San Diego, CA
wzeigler(a)home.com
I think the German spelling is Ziegler. I often have people spell my name
Zeigler. I expect the original spelling was Ziegler. In German, Ziegel is a
brick or tile. Ein Ziegler is a brick-maker according to my German-English
dictionary. Many people want to spell the name Zeigler for some reason. On my
mother's side I have a German ancestor named Eslinger. That name has been
spelled Esslinger and Aslinger. Back in the 1700 & early 1800's people often
would spell their name slightly differently. Also a German coming to this
country my find people spelling the name incorrectly as they didn't hear the
German correctly. I am not related to any of these Zieglers, as my father came
to this country in 1881 from Germany (Wuerttemberg).
Robert Ziegler
Robert D Hemphill wrote:
> Hi Diane, Bill and Z-LIST,
> Bob Hemphill (1922) from Orangeburg, SC, here. In my United Methodist
> Church I have two friends; 1. Thomas (Tommy) Zeigler, he is on another
> branch of my wife's line whose Fritz or Viet or Frederick Zeigler came to
> Orangeburg from Wurttemberg, Germany in 1753. Tommy has retired from the
> Chevolet dealership. He is treasurer of our "Men for Christ". And, 2.
> William Ziegler's folks came from Gettysburg, PA oh about a hundred years
> ago. We say the SC Zeiglers and the PA Zieglers but that is not necessarly
> so. They spelled their name as they chose to. Most could read and write.
> Some could speak two or three languages.
>
> I have a copy of a document signed about 1800 by Michael Zeigler and two of
> his sons, Jacob and Conrad. Michael was well educated when he got here in
> 1753 and he later sent his sons to school in Charleston, SC. Michael and
> Jacob signed LS as Zeigler and Conrad signed LS as Zeagler. Later in life
> he went back to Zeigler. So that's the way it is.
>
> Hi Steve,
> Good chart. I notice your Nicholas was born in 1710. Would you have any
> idea where he or his grandfather were born? The coat of arms we have says
> Ziegler/Zeigler, The Tilemaker. It has a red brick wall, a red tile roof
> and two little red tile chimney spouts on it. I saw one family tree where
> it is stated the our name came from the early spelling of the name of tile,
> "SIEGEL". I rest my case. The "IE'S" have it. However, I will continue
> to spell ZEIGLER like grandpa did.
>
> Almost all of the roofs in Germany are red tile. Does any one know the
> locations of the major manfacturor about 1700?
>
> Best regards, Bob H. ___
>
Dear Bob,
I doubt that Steve is on this mailing list, you might need to get ahold of
him another way:
Steve Nordbrock
1904 Bluewood Circle
San Jose, CA 95132
Phone:408 926-3214
He had a compuserve address, I but don't know his e-mail address now.
Diane
Hi Diane, Bill and Z-LIST,
Bob Hemphill (1922) from Orangeburg, SC, here. In my United Methodist
Church I have two friends; 1. Thomas (Tommy) Zeigler, he is on another
branch of my wife's line whose Fritz or Viet or Frederick Zeigler came to
Orangeburg from Wurttemberg, Germany in 1753. Tommy has retired from the
Chevolet dealership. He is treasurer of our "Men for Christ". And, 2.
William Ziegler's folks came from Gettysburg, PA oh about a hundred years
ago. We say the SC Zeiglers and the PA Zieglers but that is not necessarly
so. They spelled their name as they chose to. Most could read and write.
Some could speak two or three languages.
I have a copy of a document signed about 1800 by Michael Zeigler and two of
his sons, Jacob and Conrad. Michael was well educated when he got here in
1753 and he later sent his sons to school in Charleston, SC. Michael and
Jacob signed LS as Zeigler and Conrad signed LS as Zeagler. Later in life
he went back to Zeigler. So that's the way it is.
Hi Steve,
Good chart. I notice your Nicholas was born in 1710. Would you have any
idea where he or his grandfather were born? The coat of arms we have says
Ziegler/Zeigler, The Tilemaker. It has a red brick wall, a red tile roof
and two little red tile chimney spouts on it. I saw one family tree where
it is stated the our name came from the early spelling of the name of tile,
"SIEGEL". I rest my case. The "IE'S" have it. However, I will continue
to spell ZEIGLER like grandpa did.
Almost all of the roofs in Germany are red tile. Does any one know the
locations of the major manfacturor about 1700?
Best regards, Bob H. ___
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH***AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
At 02:58 PM 8/16/99 -0400, Diane Apostolakos wrote:
>To: Bill Zeigler
>San Diego, CA
>wzeigler(a)home.com
>
>I once met a guy doing research on a Zeigler family, with the same spelling
>of their name:
>
> DESCENDANCY CHART
> 5 Feb 1993
>
>
>1-- Nicholas ZEIGLER-444 (1710)
> sp-Catharine SOHN-445
> 2-- Michael ZEIGLER-442 (1730)
> sp-Catharina-443
> 3-- Peter ZEIGLER-440 (1760)
> sp-Rebecca Margaret Ann ROATES-441 (1776)
> 4-- John ZEIGLER-438 (1807)
> sp-Elizabeth RUDY-439 (1807)
> 5-- John William ZEIGLER-28 (1842-1892)
> sp-Sarah Elvina CORMAN-29 (1851-1935)
> 6-- Susan Elizabeth ZEIGLER-12 (1870)
> 6-- Estella Viola ZEIGLER-427 (1870)
> sp-William HOWARD-434
> 7-- HOWARD-435
> sp-mother-437
> 8-- Vinita HOWARD-436
> 6-- Alvin Wilson ZEIGLER-71 (1873-1945)
> sp-Mary Ann THOMPSON-70 (1877-1956)
> 7-- Mervin ZEIGLER-72 (1898)
> 7-- Floyd ZEIGLER-73 (1900)
> 7-- LeRoy Dudley ZEIGLER-9 (1903-1986)
> sp-Nellie May THORPE-10 (1908)
> 8-- Dolores Irene ZEIGLER-91 (1931)
> sp-Leonard K. WHITE-90
> 9-- Christie Kay WHITE-92 (1951)
> sp-Stanley MCROBERTS-94
> sp-Gary STEINBARGER-225 (1949)
> 10--Jason Lee STEINBARGER-228 (1976)
> 10--Jeffery Allen STEINBARGER-229
>(1981)
> 8-- Phyllis JoAnn ZEIGLER-6 (1935)
> sp-Gene Lyle NORDBROCK-7 (1931-1967)
> 9-- Steven LeRoy NORDBROCK-3 (1953)
> sp-Esther Rene OMANDAM-5 (1957)
> 10--Christopher Quest NORDBROCK-1
>(1982)
> sp-Mayra Victoria Moreno CUESTAS-127
>(1961)
> 9-- Craig Allen NORDBROCK-8 (1955)
> sp-Rhonda Jean FALK-61 (1960)
> 10--Tara Jean NORDBROCK-62 (1988)
> sp-Adrew Tomas Stacey STASENKA-58 (1936)
> 9-- Donald Drew STASENKA-59 (1958)
> sp-Kalisha HUSSAIN-424
> 9-- Scott E STASENKA-60 (1963)
> 8-- Robert Gene ZEIGLER-79 (1939)
> sp-Connie Marie JENSEN-80 (1941)
> 9-- Juliene Marie ZEIGLER-81 (1960)
> sp-SNIDER-451
> 9-- Jeanine Renae ZEIGLER-82 (1962)
> 10--Jason Robert-226 (1981)
> 10--Bryce Linn-227 (1985)
> 9-- Bryan Neal ZEIGLER-83 (1970)
> 9-- Tricia Lynette ZEIGLER-84 (1971-1971)
> 8-- Shirley Rhae ZEIGLER-86 (1941)
> sp-Earl Hart BOHLING-85
> 9-- Gregory Scott BOHLING-87 (1961)
> sp-Milo E WORMSTADT-88
> 9-- Michael Eugene WORMSTADT-89 (1964)
> sp-Lisa BURR-449
> 10--Cody WORMSTADT-450 (1990)
> 7-- Alma Anise ZEIGLER-75 (1905)
> sp-SAMSON-116
> 7-- Francis E ZEIGLER-76 (1909)
> 7-- Byron S ZEIGLER-77 (1912)
> sp-Ilene-448
> 8-- Byron Rodney ZEIGLER-117 (1947)
> 8-- Rodney ZEIGLER-39
> 8-- Roger ZEIGLER-447
> 7-- Ivan Berl ZEIGLER-78 (1916)
> 6-- Belle May ZEIGLER-428 (1875)
> 6-- John Lewis Jack ZEIGLER-119 (1878)
> sp-Lillian-121
> 7-- Harley ZEIGLER-122
> 7-- Harrol ZEIGLER-123
> 7-- Ava ZEIGLER-124
> 6-- Olive Gertrude ZEIGLER-429 (1881)
> 6-- Ilis Maude ZEIGLER-430 (1883)
> 6-- Myrtle Grace ZEIGLER-431 (1886)
> 6-- Veda Luverne ZEIGLER-432 (1888)
> 6-- Elvina Flower ZEIGLER-433 (1891)
> 6-- Clyde ZEIGLER-120
>
>
>NOTE: Regarding the i before e, e before i issue, I have family documents
>and living relatives that use the spelling "ZEIGLER" back to Alvin Wilson
>Zeigler
>RIN 71.
>
>I have received information from Vinita Howard (RIN 436) of Salem, Oregon
>using
>the ZIEGLER spelling. Vinita's info includes the families of, Nicholas
>(RIN 444)
>down through and including Alvin Wilson RIN 71 using the i before e.
>I have not yet seen any documentation from Vinita.
>Vinita and I have crossed our trees at John William Zei(ie)gler RIN 28.
>
>Any (all) of you downloaders are invited to respond with comment,
>corrections or
>additional information...thank you.
>Prepared by;
> Steve Nordbrock
> 1904 Bluewood Circle
> San Jose, CA 95132
> Phone:408 926-3214
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