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Wellses,
Just wanted to put in my 2 cents in support of Dave Williams' suggestion
that the DNA data be mined for any statistically significant information
that might be hiding there.
Raymond R. Wells
Dear Orin,
Thank you for posting the results of the DNA analyses. They are very
interesting. Is the analysis posted the final quantitative analysis of the
samples? As someone who uses multivariate statistics a fair amount in my
research, I frankly do not not find the current analysis very satisfying. It
is apparently simply a pairwise comparison of differences in markers of the
individual families, with no indication as to why the families were listed in
the order they were (or did I miss something?)
It seems to me that something like a cluster analysis would be more useful.
It would use all the marker data together to show how closely the various
families are related. This analysis could be used to develop a tree diagram
to show the relative degree of relatedness of the families. (Or is this sort
of analysis not appropriate because of the nature of the marker data?) I
wonder if a more thorough analysis planned in the future. Or are we still
waiting for additional samples? I am sorry if I sound critical. I
definitely do not mean to be! You are doing great work in shepherding the
process along and keeping all of us on the list informed. I thank you for
all your time and effort. I am just concerned that it seems like a lot more
could be done with the data set as it exists currently.
Thanks!
Dave Williams
(Zachariah > Jeremiah > Andrew Jackson > Charlotte Octavia)
I'm Hoping that someone will be able to help me be sure of my tree
information being correct. Lucky
From: Lucky Wells <LuckyStar347(a)msn.com>
Subject: Wells Family Tree
There all 11 generation from James Wells Sr.
I'm from Vaughn T. Wells direct line.
This is what I got so far.
Up & Down. I hope you can keep this straight.
*James Wells Sr., Born: ABT. 1640
(Male)__________________________________________________________________
*James Wells Jr., Born: ABT. 1675
(Male)__________________________________________________________________
*James Wells III., (Male)
Married: Ann ? (Female)
Children: 1. *Richard Wells
(Male)__________________________________________________________________
*Richard Wells, B: March 15, 1721/1722 (Male)
Married: Nancy Ann Brown (Female)
Children: 1. *Zachariah Wells,
(Male)__________________________________________________________________
*Zachariah Wells, (Male)
Married: Abigail Osborne (Female)
Children:
1. Thomas Wells, B: 1776 (Male) Married: Rebecca Blevins (Female)
2. William T. Wells, B: 1775 D: 1845 (male), Married: Susannah Ward
(Female)
3. Robert Lee Wells, B: 1776 D: 1811 (Male), Married: Elizabeth Shephard
(Female)
4.*Jacob Wells, (OUR Line)
__________________________________________________________________
*Jacob Wells, B: 1793 D: 1850 (Male)
Married: Joannah Shepard, B: 1798 D: 1869 (Female)
Children:
1. *James Wells, B: ABT. 1813 (Male)
2. John Wells, B: 1815 D: 1886 (Male)
3. Rachel Wells, B: 1817 (Female)
4. Isacc Wells, B: 1819 D: 1893 (Male)
5. Henderson Wells, B: 1821 D: 1894 (Male)
6. Davidson Wells, B: 1823 D: 1860 (Male)
Married: Elizabeth Johnson (Female)
7. Enoch Wells, B: 1826 D: 1882 (Male)
8. Nancy Wells, B: 1829 (Female)
9. William Wells, B: 1831 (Male)
10. Sarah J. Wells, B: 1833 (Female)
11. Elizabeth Wells, B: 1844 (Female)
___________________________________________________________________
*James Wells Married: Sarah ( Sara, My spelling ) Johnson
Married: January 10, 1847 Andrew County, Missouri.
Children:
1. Amos, B: ? (Male)
2. Ed Wells B: 1848, (Male)
3. Joanna Wells B: February 8, 1854 ,(Female)
4. Emerine Wells B: February 2, 1858, (Female)
5. Nancy Wells B: April 6, 1860 (Female)
*6. Samuel Wells B: May 6, 1866 (Male)
7. Jane Wells B: ? (Female)
8. Louisa Wells B: ? (Female)
9. Will Wells B: ? (Male)
10. John Wells B: ? (Male)
11. Tom Wells B: ? (Male)
________________________________________________________________________
*#6. Samuel Wells B: May 6, 1866 D: October 6, 1939 Cawood, Andrews,
Missouri
Married: Hannah Lucinda Aldridge B: February 25, 1861 Nadaway
County, Missouri
D: December 28, 1957 St. Joseph, Buchanan, Missouri
Married: April 19, 1885 in Nadaway, Missouri
Children: *1. Walter Amos Wells B: April 23,1886 (Male)
2. Noah Wells B: June 14,1888 (Male)
3. Minnie Lee Wells B: June 23, 1890 (Female)
4. Verdie Wells B: February 23,1893 (Twin)Female
5. Virgile Wells B: February 23, 1893 (Twin) Male
6. Ervie Wells B: May 26, 1894 (Male)
7. Myrtle Wells B: August 30, 1896 (Female)
8. Leeman Wells B: September 30, 1901 (Male)
9. Willis Wells B: March 5, 1903
________________________________________________________________________
*#1. Walter Amos Wells B: April 23, 1886 In Guilford,Nodaway,
Missouri
D: January 27, 1972 In St. Joseph, Buchanan, Missouri
Married: Maude Geraldine Reagin B: March 14,1891 In
Medicine Lodge, Kansas
D: November 11, 1973 In Sacramento, California
Married:September 23, 1907
Chandler, Lincoln County, Oklahoma
(Walter Amos Wells Had another Wife I have
this Information also.)
Children: 1. Emily Wells (Female)
2. Lawrence Dick Wells (male)
3. Marion Wells (male)
4. Rebecca Wells (Female)
*5. Vaughn Theodore Wells (male)
B: July 5,1910 In Vaughn, New Mexico
6. Asa A. Wells (Male)
________________________________________________________________________
*#5. Vaughn Theodore Wells
D: January 17, 1961 In Sacramento, California (Male)
Married: June 25, 1935 to Geraldine May Smith
B: September 13, 1921 (Female)In Blue Rapids, Kansas
D: March 14, 1998 In Spanaway, Washington
Children:
1. Dorothy May Wells (Female) 1936 Living
2. Vaughn Theodore Wells (male) 1938 Living
3. Maude Geraldine Wells (Female) 1939 Living
4. Dora Louise Wells (Female) January 7, 1941
D: December 3, 1981
5. Edna Jane Wells (Female) 1943 Living
6. Nancy Lou Wells (Female) 1946 Living
7. Rosie Lee Wells (Female) 1957 Living
*8. Lucky Irma wells(Female)1960 Living
_________________________________________________________________
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Cousins,
Request #1: Because of my 16 at DYS437, I appear to be more closely related
to the Aaron and Zachariah branches than Robert's. Could someone please
provide me with the Aaron and Zachariah genealogies?
Request #2: Orin once mentioned to me that the 12,15 on DYS394 is unusual,
and has previously been found in some persons of Oriental descent. Does
anyone have additional information about this? Also, are there any
correlations to genetic predispositions concerning longevity or disease for
any of the markers? Or, are the markers too short to be correlated with
anything other than descent? Have any health problems appeared frequently
in the Aaron and Zachariah branches? I don't have enough information on my
twig of the branch to make any statements. My father is in good health at
the age of 74. My paternal grandfather died of a heart attack at the age of
60, but he smoked.
Raymond R. Wells
--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: OrinWells <orinwells(a)wells.org>
To: Carol A Williams <cwillie2(a)juno.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:29:18 -0800
Subject: Re: The other sample
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021208120740.03af9400(a)wells.org>
At 05:50 PM 12/5/2002 -0700, Carol A Williams wrote:
>Orin you have used very intersting language in this message...It causes
>me to ask..
>who are the three main lines and who are the two side lines...? Carolann
The three main lines are
Aaron Wells
Robert Wells
Zachariah Wells
The two side lines are
Augustus Wells
AND (for three generations - sample 94)
Thomas Wells b: 1740 PA m: Ann
Joseph Wells b: 18 Feb 1768 PA m: 14 Jul 1789 Sarah Farquhae
William Wells b: 26 Oct 1791 PA m: 31 Jan 1813 Martha Langhead (settled
in
Zanesville, Muskingum, OH)
He matches the others where the descendants of Robert all have a 15 in
DYS437. What this tells us is the change may have happened at Robert
Wells, Sr or Robert Wells, Jr. or above.
If we could find a proven sibling of Robert Wells, Jr. we would ascertain
whether there is any chance Robert Wells, Sr. was also the father of
Aaron
or Zachariah.
It would appear that Thomas Wells was contemporary with Robert Wells, Sr.
and Zachariah whereas Augustine was more contemporary with Aaron and
Robert
Wells, Jr. Although some sort of fit in the middle.
Raymond Wells (#186) is more likely to be aligned with one of the other
families (not Robert) since he has 16 at DYS437.
Orin R. Wells
Wells Family Research Association
P. O. Box 5427
Kent, Washington 98064-5427
<OrinWells(a)wells.org>
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/wfrahome.html
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Hello Cousin and holiday greetings to you.
Thank you for coming on line and putting forth your information. I will
forward to you Orin's answer to a question I had regarding our group.
There is more to the group than Aaron and Zachariah. There is Robert
(family 28), as you will find in Orin's e-mail to me. (#'s 9,75,87,90).
Some of Robert's family separated in Marion County, Indiana. Some into
Illinois and other to Missouri, Kansas and Texas. Others stayed in Ohio.
Below are the names of the line that have census numbers, no names
except the parents. Perhaps you can trace backwards and hook up with one
of the brothers. Robert's line reads thus:
Robert b. abt 1753 Virginia, m. Mary Downing 1778 Frederick, Md., d. abt
1837 Clermont Co. Ohio, Rev. War Vet.
Children:
Solomon: b. 1777/8, line well documented, grandchildren went to Nebraska
and Texas.
Issac: b. 1779 Virginia m. Margaret Reddick. He died 1826, Marion Co.
Ind.
2 sons, 3 daughters. Margaret died in Missouri.
Anna,grand children went to Indiana .
Aaron, family went to Schuyler Co. Ill.
John D., family stayed in Ohio
Robert Jr. didn't marry.
Jesse: b. 1782 Mason Co., Ky. m. Hannah Adams 13 Feb 1812, Jesse died any
where from 1830-1879...they had 3 sons and one dtr. One son possibly
named Jesse.
Mary D. didn't marry
Nathan: b. 1795 Mason Co. Ky.,died 1880 Clermont Co.,Ohio, 4 sons, 1
dtr. He married Catherine Davis on 21 Sep 1815.
Eli: b. 10 Jun 1798, Mason Co. Ky.
This is thumbnail sketch of the line. As you can see we have no idea
where Issac, Jesse and Nathan's children went or what their names are.
The focus of my research , right now, is prior to the Rev. War and how we
are all tied together...Good luck in your search. If I find anything I
will certainly post it. Thanks again for coming on line.
Cuz Carolann
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:32:55 -0500 "Raymond Wells" <wellsr(a)insightbb.com>
writes:
> Holiday greetings to my newly-found cousins!
>
> According to Orin's DNA study, I am number 186 in this set. The one
> in
> green because of the update made to the missing numbers and the
> 12,15 on
> DYS394 which Relative Genetics reported as 15 the first time until
> they
> realized that 12,15 was NOT an error. Y-GATA-A10 is the only marker
> where I
> differ from the (#20) Zachariah Wells, b. cir 1739 of Lee/Wise Co.,
> Virginia
> and Aaron Wells, b. cir 1765 PA? (#16) families. I have 13 the rest
> of the
> extended family has 12.
>
> Any help that can be offered would be appreciated. Patricia Straube
> has
> been particularly helpful. The following is my personal line as far
> back as
> I have managed to trace it:
>
> (#1) Raymond Randall WELLS (me)
> b. 15 Aug 1950, Pawhuska, Oklahoma (Osage Co.)
>
> (#2) Robert Donald WELLS (father of #1)
> b. 1 Mar 1928, Copan, OK
>
> (#3) Ted William WELLS, Sr. 4 Apr 1920 Emma
> Jewel MILLER
> b. 2 Feb 1897, Fairfax, OK b. 11 Jan
> 1894, Clinton, MO (Henry Co.)
> d. 22 Feb 1957, Pawhuska, OK d. 20
> Mar 1974, Pawhuska, OK
> Children of (#3):
> Elizabeth Irene (Betty) Wells (McKinley)
> Ted William Wells, Jr.
> Robert Donald Wells (#2)
>
> (#4) George W. WELLS, (Jr. ?) 20 Aug 1893 Mary
> Ellen GAITHER
> b. 2 Jul 1866, Indiana (Hendricks Co.?) b. 30 May
> 1878, Kansas
> d. 1935, buried Dewey OK Cem. d. 29
> Jan 1954, Pawhuska, OK
> Children of (#4):
> Ted William Wells, Sr. (#3)
> Lisle Hubert Wells
> George Barton Wells
>
> (#5) George W. WELLS, (Sr. ?) 14 Aug
> 1861 (Polly Margarite?) Margaret WARD
> b. 23 Mar 1842, (Hendricks Co.?), Indiana b. 10 May
> 1841, (Indiana?)
> d. 23 Mar 1910 (died on his birthday?) d. 23 Dec 1903
> Children of (#5):
> George W. Wells (Jr. ?) (#4)
> Margaret Esterline Wells, 1869
> Cora May Wells, 1874
> William Allen Wells, 1876
> Newton Finley Wells, 1878 -
>
> My father's sister [Elizabeth Irene (Betty) Wells (McKinley)] wrote a
> brief
> history of my Wells grandparents (Ted W. Wells, Sr. and Emma Jewel
> Miller)
> for the Osage County (Okla.) Profiles, Published by the Osage County
> Historical Society, Inc., 1964. She wrote that:
>
> The earliest authentic document we have on the Wells family is the
> discharge
> from the Civil War of our great-grandfather, George W. Wells. The
> document
> is dated June 7, 1865, at Nashville, Tenn., and states that he is a
> farmer
> from Ind. Our grandfather, George W. Wells, Jr., was born on July
> 2, 1866,
> in Ind. He and our grandmother, Mary Ellen Gaither, were married on
> Aug.
> 20, 1893. To the best of her knowledge, she was born somewhere in
> Kansas on
> May 30, 1887. She died Jan. 29, 1954, at Pawhuska, Okla. (She had
> remarried, in 1921, to an Osage Indian by the name of Sylvester J.
> Soldani.)
> I remember her talking about making the Cherokee Strip run on Sept.
> 16,
> 1893, and assume that was when they moved down into Indian
> Territory. They
> had three sons, Lisle Hubert, Ted William, and George Barton. Ted
> W. Wells,
> our father was born Feb. 2, 1897, at Fairfax (Okla.). He told us
> about
> going to school at Coon Creek School which was located east of the
> old Hulah
> depot. He attended Oklahoma A & M College and played football there
> in 1915
> and 1916. He served in the Infantry in World War I.
>
>
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Holiday greetings to my newly-found cousins!
According to Orin's DNA study, I am number 186 in this set. The one in
green because of the update made to the missing numbers and the 12,15 on
DYS394 which Relative Genetics reported as 15 the first time until they
realized that 12,15 was NOT an error. Y-GATA-A10 is the only marker where I
differ from the (#20) Zachariah Wells, b. cir 1739 of Lee/Wise Co., Virginia
and Aaron Wells, b. cir 1765 PA? (#16) families. I have 13 the rest of the
extended family has 12.
Any help that can be offered would be appreciated. Patricia Straube has
been particularly helpful. The following is my personal line as far back as
I have managed to trace it:
(#1) Raymond Randall WELLS (me)
b. 15 Aug 1950, Pawhuska, Oklahoma (Osage Co.)
(#2) Robert Donald WELLS (father of #1)
b. 1 Mar 1928, Copan, OK
(#3) Ted William WELLS, Sr. 4 Apr 1920 Emma Jewel MILLER
b. 2 Feb 1897, Fairfax, OK b. 11 Jan 1894, Clinton, MO (Henry Co.)
d. 22 Feb 1957, Pawhuska, OK d. 20 Mar 1974, Pawhuska, OK
Children of (#3):
Elizabeth Irene (Betty) Wells (McKinley)
Ted William Wells, Jr.
Robert Donald Wells (#2)
(#4) George W. WELLS, (Jr. ?) 20 Aug 1893 Mary Ellen GAITHER
b. 2 Jul 1866, Indiana (Hendricks Co.?) b. 30 May 1878, Kansas
d. 1935, buried Dewey OK Cem. d. 29 Jan 1954, Pawhuska, OK
Children of (#4):
Ted William Wells, Sr. (#3)
Lisle Hubert Wells
George Barton Wells
(#5) George W. WELLS, (Sr. ?) 14 Aug 1861 (Polly Margarite?) Margaret WARD
b. 23 Mar 1842, (Hendricks Co.?), Indiana b. 10 May 1841, (Indiana?)
d. 23 Mar 1910 (died on his birthday?) d. 23 Dec 1903
Children of (#5):
George W. Wells (Jr. ?) (#4)
Margaret Esterline Wells, 1869
Cora May Wells, 1874
William Allen Wells, 1876
Newton Finley Wells, 1878 -
My father's sister [Elizabeth Irene (Betty) Wells (McKinley)] wrote a brief
history of my Wells grandparents (Ted W. Wells, Sr. and Emma Jewel Miller)
for the Osage County (Okla.) Profiles, Published by the Osage County
Historical Society, Inc., 1964. She wrote that:
The earliest authentic document we have on the Wells family is the discharge
from the Civil War of our great-grandfather, George W. Wells. The document
is dated June 7, 1865, at Nashville, Tenn., and states that he is a farmer
from Ind. Our grandfather, George W. Wells, Jr., was born on July 2, 1866,
in Ind. He and our grandmother, Mary Ellen Gaither, were married on Aug.
20, 1893. To the best of her knowledge, she was born somewhere in Kansas on
May 30, 1887. She died Jan. 29, 1954, at Pawhuska, Okla. (She had
remarried, in 1921, to an Osage Indian by the name of Sylvester J. Soldani.)
I remember her talking about making the Cherokee Strip run on Sept. 16,
1893, and assume that was when they moved down into Indian Territory. They
had three sons, Lisle Hubert, Ted William, and George Barton. Ted W. Wells,
our father was born Feb. 2, 1897, at Fairfax (Okla.). He told us about
going to school at Coon Creek School which was located east of the old Hulah
depot. He attended Oklahoma A & M College and played football there in 1915
and 1916. He served in the Infantry in World War I.
Hello List and Andy...
To answer your question regarding Ohio/ Ky...
Robert b. abt 1753 went from Virginia, married in Maryland, bore 3
children along the way, Solomon, Issac, Anna who knows for certain
where...then (Robert's)Aaron is born Pa.1784 according to the Census,
then the next child is born 1786 in Ky. as were the rest of them. Now we
can talk about state borders changing and perhaps between Virginia and
Penna...the family maybe never moved, but the borders did...who
knows.then Robert moved the family to Mason Co. Ky. abt 1785 and then
Robert moved the family to Ohio in 1807. The children split off in the
later years....some stayed in Clermont Co., some moved thru Marion Co.
Indiana to Schuyler Co. Ill. and some went south to Missouri and Texas
(Solomon's group).
I do know that Joseph(b.1768) stayed pretty close to Robert. It seems
everytime I found Robert or Robert Jr., Joseph was shadowing him. As an
example, in the 1840 Clermont Co, Tate Twp Census, son Robert is there
and Joseph is on the very next line...showing 2 males 20/30, 1Male 30/40
and one male 50+; a 10 year old female and a 40/50 female. As to whether
Joseph is Robert Jr.s cousin or uncle is still to be determined. Joseph
is noted as being born in Pa on 18 Feb, 1768 and married in 1789.
Where were he and Sarah Farquhae married ?. Is there documentation on
this ?. I have not been able to find any yet.
Also where did the information come from regarding Thomas Wells b. 1740
and married to Ann. Is there any documentation on this? Where did this
come from ?
Then we get to William Wells b. 26 Oct 1791. I have not found him on any
Census records in Zanesville, Muskingum, Ohio...Where am I not looking?
Then we come to Augustine....I just found the information on him that
was sent me in 2000 by Cathy. It has Augustine b. 19 Mar 1760 in Queen
Anne, Md.
I have been trying to build a time line & place for Robert, Aaron and
Zach with the facts that we have on the three men and it is a crazy
quilt.
So far we have Zach born in 1739/40, Robert in abt.1753. When was Aaron
born abt.1763 ? and then there is Augustine in 1760.
Hope someone can answer my questions....oh, I have another one. Does any
one know where Zach enlisted ? Would it help you all, when we put
definite info on the site to note the documentation if there is any ?
Carolann
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:06:51 -0800 (PST) ZigZagAndy(a)webtv.net (Andy)
writes:
> Don,
> I have missed seeing your posts.
> A great idea.....I looked at the children of Aaron Wells provided
> on
> this list.
> I can see,and I'm sure you can as well some very familiar "Wells
> names"they could have been children of Zach.2 and Rebecca
> Shepard(my
> line).
> I'm still confused in the Ohio-Ky.relationships.....following a
> "migration pattern" most of Zach.2 children went to Missouri.
> Thanks again......goodhearing from you again.....Andy Kidd..Seattle
>
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>
>
>
Hello Cousins,
This is in answer to my query.....and I think the final results of the
DNA study for our line...from here on out, it is up to us...Thanks ever
so, Orin. This gives we researchers a much clearer path to walk on.
Carolann
--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: OrinWells <orinwells(a)wells.org>
To: Carol A Williams <cwillie2(a)juno.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 12:29:18 -0800
Subject: Re: The other sample
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021208120740.03af9400(a)wells.org>
At 05:50 PM 12/5/2002 -0700, Carol A Williams wrote:
>Orin you have used very intersting language in this message...It causes
>me to ask..
>who are the three main lines and who are the two side lines...? Carolann
The three main lines are
Aaron Wells
Robert Wells
Zachariah Wells
The two side lines are
Augustus Wells
AND (for three generations - sample 94)
Thomas Wells b: 1740 PA m: Ann
Joseph Wells b: 18 Feb 1768 PA m: 14 Jul 1789 Sarah Farquhae
William Wells b: 26 Oct 1791 PA m: 31 Jan 1813 Martha Langhead (settled
in
Zanesville, Muskingum, OH)
He matches the others where the descendants of Robert all have a 15 in
DYS437. What this tells us is the change may have happened at Robert
Wells, Sr or Robert Wells, Jr. or above.
If we could find a proven sibling of Robert Wells, Jr. we would ascertain
whether there is any chance Robert Wells, Sr. was also the father of
Aaron
or Zachariah.
It would appear that Thomas Wells was contemporary with Robert Wells, Sr.
and Zachariah whereas Augustine was more contemporary with Aaron and
Robert
Wells, Jr. Although some sort of fit in the middle.
Raymond Wells (#186) is more likely to be aligned with one of the other
families (not Robert) since he has 16 at DYS437.
Orin R. Wells
Wells Family Research Association
P. O. Box 5427
Kent, Washington 98064-5427
<OrinWells(a)wells.org>
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/wfrahome.html
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At 07:44 PM 12/7/2002 -0800, CDR wrote:
>Cousins, and I say that with a big, big smile. :-))
>Be patient, this has to be right.
>I don't want to give any wrong info.
>NO one needs that.
OK, so Carolyn is a big tease. Or was that what you call "drive-by
genealogy"? <g>
Orin R. Wells
Wells Family Research Association
P. O. Box 5427
Kent, Washington 98064-5427
<OrinWells(a)wells.org>
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Cousins, and I say that with a big, big smile. :-))
I've been one of the fence sitters.....won't
confuse any more except to say, I wasn't looking for the same thing
everyone else
was...I'll explain later.
I found our BRICK WALL....BUT, this is going to take a bit to knock
down.
HERE's A MYSTERY QUESTION.
A great author, and it seems our family is full of them and yes a
cousin...with what everyone thought was a wild flare at writing, was
actually telling family history.
"I thought his writings were to close to home."
Anyone know???????
Be patient, this has to be right.
I don't want to give any wrong info.
NO one needs that.
Enjoy the weekend, holidays are on top of us AGAIN.
This will be a great Christmas gift for us all. I HOPE!!!!!
Keep your fingers crossed.
And throw a penny in the
"WISHING WELL"
AND please all be careful....and stay healthy.
Carolyn
Does anyone know WHERE they were married...does someone have a copy of
the documentation...or know where the documentation of this marriage
exsists?
What is the documentation of "Robert Crawford's Weekly" 8 Sep.1923? Is
this in writing by Jonathon Brickey Wells? So the first actual
documentation we have, outside of oral documentation, is 1772 in
Fincastle, Botetourt Parish. If so then this means Zach and Abigail were
married in Botetourt Co. in 1770 or.....
Does anyone have anything before this date of 1772?
The reason I am asking is our Robert is serving in 1775 in Washington
County.
He served both Md. and Va. but in the historical notes of Clermont
County, Ohio. He served his state of Va.(documented) He was married in
Jan.1778 (documented).
What I am trying to find is a beginning place to search back from where
the three men have a common denominator. Need some help.
Carolann
Actually he filed for pension in TN, my error in memory lapse.
I found a site the other day that had pages from different books of VA
records. And on one of the pages it actually listed two Zacharoah Wells'
having several in the revolution, one was the Sargent in the Cav and the
other was a farrier. The site is as follows:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genbel/people/wells/wellszach.html
the page that lists both Zachariah's is: Military Records: Virginia in the
Revolution and War of 1812, Register of Virginians in the Revolution. Also
the Zachariah Wells as a farrier receiving pay shows up on several other
pages. Colonial Virginia Source Records, 1600's - 1700's : Gleanings of
Virginia History pages 191, 200, 209 and 213. There are other interesting
pages posted at this site with info for Zachariah, I had seen a couple of
them, but the pay records and others I hadn't seen before.
May be these are things that can be followed up on. Have you or anyone else
seen these before? In the event there are those un familair with the job
title, a farrier is a one who shoes horses or as lot people know them as a
blacksmith.
His site also contains the pension info on the Zachariah in TN. In the same
pages of reseaerch for Zachariah Wells.
Claude E. Wells
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From: Carol A Williams [SMTP:cwillie2@juno.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:05 PM
To: ZachariahWells-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Zachariah Wells] Fw: Re: Aaron, Robert &
Zachariah
Good Morning Claude,
Thank you so much for the information.I will be careful about this.
I
appreciate your pointing this confusion out to me. ..So to sum this
all
up...this may or maynot be our cousin who served in the Cav. But we
do
know the Zach that is from Wise/Lee is ours. Right? So now we just
need
to work back thru time and find the tie in with Robert and Aaron...
Thanks for the fill-in also, on Augustine...I was not aware of the
connection. The next time I go to SLC Fam.Hist.Cntr...I will check
to see
what they have in church records for Queen Anne...Usually I am there
only
about four hours and the time flies by. Thank you again for your
help.
Carolann
On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:18:24 -0500 "Wells, Claude"
<claude.wells(a)lmco.com> writes:
> I believe you will find the Zachariah Wells of the:
Virginia
> Rev. War Records. He is a non-com Sgt. in the Cav. on the
Virginia
Line
> on Continental Establishment. Is not the same. This has been
another of
> the hotly debated links. He filed for a pension in KY and claimed
to be
> without
> family and I seem to remember him as being alive years after the
> Zechariah Wells of Wise/Lee county region is supposed to have died
abt.
1825
> in VA.
>
> This is the Zachariah a few relatives used to join the
> DAR/SAR until recently. From what I understand these organizations
have
now
> frozen accepting anyone claiming to be from this Zachariah until
questions
> are clarified as to his lineage. As it is not clear he is the same
as
> the Zechariah Wells of our line.
>
> According to the pension records and reports the Zachariah
> Wells
> info of his service is that he was captured at Brandywine and
> released as
> part of a prisoner exchange and also served as part of Geo
> Washington's Life
> guard(?). He also served as much as 18 months or so, when
> traditionally
> during the Rev. War they generally served abt. 6 months or so.
> Because they
> often needed to return home to care for the farm, etc. I
> have all of
> the above info on my site at Family Tree Maker, with a disclaimer.
>
> I have conversed with Charles Osborn myself, some of his
> data is
> flawed as well. So be sure to research his info thoroughly before
> accepting
> it as fact.
>
> I am sure all of this will be straightened out some time
> soon. I
> have been trying for at least four or five years to sort this Ol'
> Zack out
> and others on the list have been trying to sort him out for a lot
> longer. It
> will take time and with the new DNA evidence helping to prove the
> link to
> Richard Wells/Nancy Brown was misinfo we can concentrate on other
> clues
> that have been bouncing around for a while. And with the new
possible
> ties
> to Aaron and Robert and possibly Augustine Wells lines we may get
a
> lot
> closer faster, but we need to be patient and diligent so we don't
go
> off in
> the wrong directions again.
>
> Claude
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carol A Williams [SMTP:cwillie2@juno.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 8:36 PM
> To: ZachariahWells-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [Zachariah Wells] Fw: Re: Aaron, Robert &
> Zachariah
>
>
> --------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Carol A Williams <cwillie2(a)juno.com>
>
> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:16:30 -0700
> Subject: Re: Aaron, Robert & Zachariah
>
> Dear Andy and all,
> Now where do we look you ask, Cousin Andy? That is a good
> question...My game plan is slowly forming.
>
> Florence Montgomery has Robert in Lancaster County,
> Virginia. Zachariah and Robert are of the same generation and I am
assuming they
> are brothers. Dad would have been born abt 1715 and if the
> family really was from Wales, they are a pretty strong people.
There
are
> church records and indentured records to search. Coming from
Wales
> meant their life was pretty much in the mines and small farming.
A
> place to leave.... for the excitement of a new world...I can see
him
> volunteering for service to Virginia, marrying here after serving
his
4
> years to whomever. Maybe he had a craft that was needed here.
> Married and became the grandfather/father of Zach and Robert and
?.
>
> When I visited a pub in North Wales, it was the strangest
> feeling...as if I had come home..Put that one on for size...It
shook me
up.
>
> My 4 hours at the FHC up the street today (volunteering) I
> searched for records that will give me a place to start looking.
> Migration routes is one area that got studied. I did go to the
Inventory of Records for the Virtual Jamestown Project where I read
that
in the Bristol Archives Office, it has enrollment of names and
places
of origin of over 10,000 servants to foreign
> plantations who sailed from Bristol to Va.Md. and other parts of
the
Atlantic
> coast. Also entrys on Gloucestershire apprentices bound to serve
in
Va. City
> archives contain other rough entry books of city apprentices
which
note
> servants bound oversees down to Feb. 1685. The web site
is
> www.iath.virginia.edu/vcdh/jamestown/masterDW4.html/
> Those numbers really made me sit up and take notice..now I have
to
find
> copies of those records mentioned on this site. There are lots of
them.
>
> So maybe our prodiginator came as an apprentice...around
to
> 1700...anyway between court and land records, church records and
> indenture records...we may find our family The Wells men are
mostly
over 5'10" and have a 'go do' spirit. I don't know how churchy the
family was, but
> they do know how to work. The family was not one of money. They
worked
> for everything they had...I just don't know how they bought land
in
Ky.and
> Zach in Virginia...Robert was on the Tax Rolls for two
> years, but that doesn't mean he owned the land. Aaron seemed to
do all
right
> in that area. My father always told me to "follow the money"...and
I
> think> he is pretty right. Robert owned a lot of land in Ohio
but
that
> was 1809.
>
> I found Zachariah on Ancestry.com under Virginia Rev. War
> Records. He is a non-com Sgt. in the Cav. on the Virginia Line
on
> Continental Establishment. He did not receive Bounty land. Need
to
dig deeper and find out> where he enlisted. Cousin Charles
Osborn
wrote(WFRA archives)he was paid as a Scout in 1774 French and
Indian
War. Robert was in Dunmore's War.
>
> Thanks for listening and now we know there are lots of
> places to look.
> Good luck. Just please, put any findings on the list We
need
> all the help we can get......Carolann
>
>
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I would like to thank EVERYONE for all the recent activity on Zachariah
Wells. In particular, I would like to thank Orin for seeing that the DNA
study was done. I was also very excited to get the timeline that Greg Scalf
posted today.
This should help someone break down this brick wall.
Judy Stephenson
Hi, folks!
Augustine Wells, Sr., of Morgantown, Monongalia County, VA now WV, was my
fourth great grandfather. I have searched for years for his parentage, with
no particular luck, just some clues. I have lots of info. on his
descendants. His wife was Lucy Doolittle. Both are buried just a couple of
miles from where I live. I have reason to believe he had some connection
with the Brashears family of Maryland.
Will post more later. If anyone is interested, e-mail me to share info. At
any rate, I just wanted everyone to know that a representative of the
Augustine branch is standing by.
Happy hunting!
Cheryl
Hello Cousins(???)
I have been on this list over 4 yrs.researching "Zach2..m. Rebecca
Sheperd......parents of my gggrandmother Mary Lavina Wells(Yates)with
time out waiting for the results of "DNA project"
Anyone else on this list still researching the Wells-Yates line?
Now the "DNA" is in......
Thank you for the "time line"and,notes on Aaron Wells.When I read the
notes the name "Uriah Wells" "jumped out at me" as well as Nancy
Wells.Has any one on thislist researched these lines?
Question:I thought the Wells family in question here came from England
or Scotland......Wales?.....
Thank you.....Andy Kidd..Seattle,Wa
Greetings long-lost Cousins,
My name is Jon Hagee and I am the president of the Aaron Wells Family Association. We have been working with Orin Wells for the past few years and are excited about the latest DNA news. Here is our web site:
http://frontierfolk.org/wells.htm
It looks like we will be combining forces!
Does anyone know of a Robert Wells group or web site? What is this about Augustine Wells? We're glad to be working with you all to solve the mystery of our ancestor(s).
Jon
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Hello Cousins,
It is absolutely fabulous of Gregory to send along his time line. It
will save us newies from floundering around so much. And Jon, hello to
the Aaron group.And thank you for your site's address.
Robert does not have a 'site'. We are kind of all over the place.
There are about 25 of us researching various lines of Robert's 10
children and I am sure one by one will find their way to Zachariah's and
Aaron's site.
We have been using Orin's Wells list mainly for anything on Robert
himself. The rest the lines talk directly regarding their interest.
There are about 10 researchers on Solomon's line, one on Issac, one on
Anna, five or so on Aaron(my line), two on John D. (which ties into
Aaron's Wells/Wiggins line) Robert Jr. and Mary D.both did not marry,
Nathan has no researcher and Eli has two. Issac and Nathan are our two
mystery lines . Not much is known about them. Robert, we have in the Rev.
War and 1778 marriage. He is well documented from then on.
As to Augustine we may have to ask Orin....
Thanks for writing and including us in the group...Carolann
On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 23:24:39 -0500 "Jon Hagee" <jhagee(a)mail.com> writes:
> Greetings long-lost Cousins,
>
> My name is Jon Hagee and I am the president of the Aaron Wells
> Family Association. We have been working with Orin Wells for the
> past few years and are excited about the latest DNA news. Here is
> our web site:
>
> http://frontierfolk.org/wells.htm
>
> It looks like we will be combining forces!
>
> Does anyone know of a Robert Wells group or web site? What is this
> about Augustine Wells? We're glad to be working with you all to
> solve the mystery of our ancestor(s).
>
> Jon
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Zachariah Wells Timeline
Year Date County State Event Documentation
1739 ? Virginia Born DAR records
1750? Virginia Zachariah Born Crawford's Weekly, September 8, 1923 Bruce Crawford as told by Jonathon Brickey Wells
1750-9? Dispute with brother Robert Crawford's Weekly, September 8, 1923 Bruce Crawford as told by Jonathon Brickey Wells
1770 1-Jan Virginia Married Abigail Osborn
1772 Fincastle Virginia on a list of tithables for Botetourt Parish The Magazine of Virginia Genealogy Vol 25 #1, Feb 1987 by the VA Gen Soc
1773 Fincastle Virginia On tax list John Montgomerie's list in the 1773 tax list for Fincastle County, VA tax paid by William Herbert
1774 Fincastle Virginia scout in the Fincastle Co. Militia Soldiers of Fincastle County, Virginia - 1774, by Mary B. Kegley, 1974
1778 31-Mar Wilkes North Carolina Bought 100 Acres North side New River Settlers of Lee Co.,Va.and Adjacent Counties by Hattie B.M. Byrd 1977, Land Deeds (CBK1,p14)
1778 9-Sep Wilkes North Carolina 100 acres New River Land Deeds (N368)
1781 Wilkes North Carolina Jemima Wells Born Calculations from Letcher Co., Kentucky Death Records
1793 Virginia Jacob Wells Born 1850 Andrew Co., Missouri Census
1797 Wilkes North Carolina 1797 tax list of Wilkes County 1797 tax list of Wilkes County
1798 Wilkes North Carolina Sold Land
1798 Wilkes North Carolina Sold land to Francis Sturgill
1799 3-May Lee Virginia Bought 900 Acres both sides Powell R. Settlers of Lee Co.,Va.and Adjacent Counties by Hattie B.M. Byrd 1977 ( Deed Book A pg 315 )
1799 Lee Virginia 1799 tax lists 1799 tax lists Lee Co, Virginia
1805 Lee Virginia Purchased land at Looney's Creek Deed Books 1,2,3, and 5, Court Records Lee Co., Va, #3,461
1806 25-Mar Lee Virginia Purchased 100 Acres Deed Book 2 Page 239
1806 25-Mar Lee Virginia Purchased 100 Acres North Fork Powell Deed Book 2 Page 239
1807 1-Oct Lee Virginia Assignee 100 Acres Settlers of Lee Co.,Va.and Adjacent Counties by Hattie B.M. Byrd 1977( Entry BK 1 PG 165 )
1809 Lee Virginia Tax Record 1809 Land Tax Book
1814 21-Apr Lee Virginia Land Surveyed South side Stone Mt Settlers of Lee Co.,Va.and Adjacent Counties by Hattie B.M. Byrd 1977
1819 Lee Virginia Sold 100 Acres to Robert Wells Deed Books 1,2,3, and 5, Court Records Lee Co., Va, #3,461
1819 22-Dec Lee Virginia Conveyed land Settlers of Lee Co.,Va.and Adjacent Counties by Hattie B.M. Byrd 1977(DBK 4, Pg35 )
1819 6-Dec Lee Virginia Sold land to Robert Wells Deed Book 3 Page 461
1819 31-Mar Lee Virginia Sold land to Jacob Wells Deed Book 4 Page 13
1820 Lee Virginia Presumed Living Calculations from Lee Co. 1820 Census
1826 July Lee Virginia Jacob dismissed from Church Crawford's Weekly, September 8, 1923 Bruce Crawford as told by Jonathon Brickey Wells
1826 21-Aug Lee Virginia Sold Land to Jacob/125 granted by Com. Deed Book 5 Page 381
1826 17-Jun Lee Virginia Sold land to Robert Wells Deed Book 5 page 363
1827 1-Mar Lee Virginia Robert Wells conveyed to Z. Wells Sr. Deed Book 5 Page 438,440
1830 Andrew Missouri Jacob Wells Living 1830 Andrew Co.,Missouri Census
I believe you will find the Zachariah Wells of the: Virginia Rev.
War Records. He is a non-com Sgt. in the Cav. on the Virginia Line on
Continental Establishment. Is not the same. This has been another of the
hotly debated links. He filed for a pension in KY and claimed to be without
family and I seem to remember him as being alive years after the Zechariah
Wells of Wise/Lee county region is supposed to have died abt. 1825 in VA.
This is the Zachariah a few relatives used to join the DAR/SAR until
recently. From what I understand these organizations have now frozen
accepting anyone claiming to be from this Zachariah until questions are
clarified as to his lineage. As it is not clear he is the same as the
Zechariah Wells of our line.
According to the pension records and reports the Zachariah Wells
info of his service is that he was captured at Brandywine and released as
part of a prisoner exchange and also served as part of Geo Washington's Life
guard(?). He also served as much as 18 months or so, when traditionally
during the Rev. War they generally served abt. 6 months or so. Because they
often needed to return home to care for the farm, etc. I have all of
the above info on my site at Family Tree Maker, with a disclaimer.
I have conversed with Charles Osborn myself, some of his data is
flawed as well. So be sure to research his info thoroughly before accepting
it as fact.
I am sure all of this will be straightened out some time soon. I
have been trying for at least four or five years to sort this Ol' Zack out
and others on the list have been trying to sort him out for a lot longer. It
will take time and with the new DNA evidence helping to prove the link to
Richard Wells/Nancy Brown was misinfo we can concentrate on other clues
that have been bouncing around for a while. And with the new possible ties
to Aaron and Robert and possibly Augustine Wells lines we may get a lot
closer faster, but we need to be patient and diligent so we don't go off in
the wrong directions again.
Claude
-----Original Message-----
From: Carol A Williams [SMTP:cwillie2@juno.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 8:36 PM
To: ZachariahWells-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [Zachariah Wells] Fw: Re: Aaron, Robert & Zachariah
--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Carol A Williams <cwillie2(a)juno.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:16:30 -0700
Subject: Re: Aaron, Robert & Zachariah
Dear Andy and all,
Now where do we look you ask, Cousin Andy? That is a good
question...My
game plan is slowly forming.
Florence Montgomery has Robert in Lancaster County, Virginia.
Zachariah
and Robert are of the same generation and I am assuming they are
brothers. Dad would have been born abt 1715 and if the family
really
was from Wales, they are a pretty strong people. There are church
records and indentured records to search. Coming from Wales meant
their
life was pretty much in the mines and small farming. A place to
leave.... for the excitement of a new world...I can see him
volunteering
for service to Virginia, marrying here after serving his 4 years to
whomever. Maybe he had a craft that was needed here. Married and
became
the grandfather/father of Zach and Robert and ?.
When I visited a pub in North Wales, it was the strangest
feeling...as if
I had come home..Put that one on for size...It shook me up.
My 4 hours at the FHC up the street today (volunteering) I searched
for
records that will give me a place to start looking. Migration routes
is
one area that got studied.
I did go to the Inventory of Records for the Virtual Jamestown
Project
where I read that in the Bristol Archives Office, it has enrollment
of
names and places of origin of over 10,000 servants to foreign
plantations
who sailed from Bristol to Va.Md. and other parts of the Atlantic
coast.
Also entrys on Gloucestershire apprentices bound to serve in Va.
City
archives contain other rough entry books of city apprentices which
note
servants bound oversees down to Feb. 1685. The web site is
www.iath.virginia.edu/vcdh/jamestown/masterDW4.html/ Those
numbers
really made me sit up and take notice..now I have to find copies of
those
records mentioned on this site. There are lots of them.
So maybe our prodiginator came as an apprentice...around to
1700...anyway
between court and land records, church records and indenture
records...we
may find our family The Wells men are mostly over 5'10" and have a
'go
do' spirit. I don't know how churchy the family was, but they do
know
how to work. The family was not one of money. They worked for
everything they had...I just don't know how they bought land in
Ky.and
Zach in Virginia...Robert was on the Tax Rolls for two years, but
that
doesn't mean he owned the land. Aaron seemed to do all right in that
area. My father always told me to "follow the money"...and I think
he is
pretty right. Robert owned a lot of land in Ohio but that was 1809.
I found Zachariah on Ancestry.com under Virginia Rev. War Records.
He is a non-com Sgt. in the Cav. on the Virginia Line on
Continental
Establishment.
He did not receive Bounty land. Need to dig deeper and find out
where he
enlisted.
Cousin Charles Osborn wrote(WFRA archives)he was paid as a Scout in
1774
French and Indian War. Robert was in Dunmore's War.
Thanks for listening and now we know there are lots of places to
look.
Good luck. Just please, put any findings on the list We need all the
help
we can get......Carolann
==== ZachariahWells Mailing List ====
Ask about the Wells Special DNA Study. Check the Wells Family
Research Association Website for information at
www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/dnaproje/dnaproje.html