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Hi Pauline,
The occupants of 18 Garden Street as shown on the 1871 Census were three sailors' wives and their children - Mary Handley, Pamela Jeffer&William Jeffer, Harriett Singleton, Thomas Mathew Singleton and Emma Singleton.
Hope that this is of some use to you.
Regards
Marilynn
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Trying again with this one ......
Is there anyone on the List who has an ancestor living in Garden Street,
Swansea in 1871 ?
I would like to find this Street on the 1871 census to try and find out
who was living at No 18 in 1871, if I had a name of anyone on the street
this would make my life easier !
Kind regards, Pauline
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Hi Elizabeth.Here is your Richard RICHARDS,who married Catherine DAVIES at Swansea St;Mary's 27th;october 1810.
They also had a son Evan, baptisd 9th; feb;1821 aged 26 days,and another son Richard,baptised 13th; july 1817 aged 23 days.
cheers,
Graham
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The list has been very kind to me so far,perhaps it will be kind to me
again??
My g,g,grandmother was CATHERINE RICHARDS born 15th Aug 1815 and bp,13th
Sept 1815 at St Mary's,Swansea.Her parents were;Richard Richards and
Catherine,who's 'maiden' name I am trying to discover.
I am also trying to find out if RICHARD RICHARDS family originally came from
Cornwall.
Kind Regards,
Elizabeth.
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Can anyone tell me anything about the family who owned a bus company in the Fforestfach/Llangyfelach area of Swansea? I believe there is a bus station still there. My grandfather's sister Katie Thomas from the Gendros area married the owner, or one of the owners. He was called Llew, the surname may have been John. I believe he sold the company to Western Welsh but they continued to live in a house near the bus station.
Hello Listers,
I am currently researching the following family who lived in Swansea on
Recorder Street c.1898. All born in Swansea.
Eliza(beth) Jane JONES nee BIDDER, 41 mother
& Lewis Llewellyn JONES 39, stevedore, father
John Henry 19
George Llewelyn 17
Lewis Llewellyn 15
Beatrice Alice 16
Emily Florence 10
Richard Alfred 9
David Thomas 13
Reginald Charles 8
Brinley Leonard 2
William Ivor 4
Would welcome hearing from anyone who has similar interest.
Regards,
Lynn Bohen - USA
Hello
I thought I'd update you on my progress with my research on my JAMES AND
JOHN families in LLANGYFELACH and my other SWANSEA families. I'd love to
hear from anyone who has any further information on these.
My father was THOMAS JAMES, (b 1907 in CWM LAN, LANDORE) and he had 2
brothers, EMLYN JAMES b 1915 (involved in Welsh Drama) and ISLWYN JAMES b
1918. My father taught Chemistry at DYNEVOR SCHOOL in SWANSEA and was very
involved in Welsh Schoolboy Football ( he was a former Chairman of the
WSFA). My grandfather on my father's side was WILLIAM DAVIES JAMES, born
1874 in CRAIG TREWYDDFA, LLANGYFELACH, he was a Tinplate man, his father
was THOMAS JAMES b 1842 in LLANGYFELACH, a Copperman, and his father, I've
just discovered from his marriage certificate, was also THOMAS JAMES, a
Copperman, I don't yet know when he was born or who he married but it would
have been in LLANGYFELACH also.
My great grandfather, THOMAS JAMES, married MARGARET JOHN (b 1843 in
LLANGYFELACH) and her father was JOHN JOHN, I know nothing about him or this
branch of JOHNS yet. They went to DINAS NODDFA CHAPEL and were buried
there.
My grandfather, WILLIAM DAVIES JAMES, married CHARLOTTE JOHN (or JOHNS) b
1879 in LLANGYFELACH. Her father, my great grandfather, was THOMAS JOHN b
1847 in LLANGYFELACH and he married MARY WILLIAMS (b 1849) around 1869.
They were active in DINAS NODDFA CHAPEL. THOMAS JOHN'S FATHER was JOHN
JOHN, b 1819 in LLANGYFELACH, who married a MARY but I don't know her
maiden name yet. This is a different JOHN JOHN to the father of MARGARET
JOHN who married THOMAS JAMES. This is as far as I've got with my JAMES
and JOHN families so far. I believe that way back, both families might
have connections with CARMARTHEN. It's all very confusing and tangled
between the JAMES'S AND JOHNS. I'm also trying to find out the DAVIES
connection to this family. I know that I have an 'Auntie Kitty' who went to
AUSTRALIA but have no idea in what way we're related. I also know that we
have relatives who settled in PITTSBURGH, PA but don't know the connection,
although it might be through my great grandfather's brother REES JOHN who
went to AMERICA and died there in 1903, I believe either in MISSOURI or
IDAHO. Other names we have in a family bible are: PARRY, GRIFFITHS, EVANS
and JENKINS but I've no idea who these people are or in what way we're
related.
My great grandfather on my mother's side was DANIEL MORGAN b 1839/40, I
believe in LLANON, CARMARTHENSHIRE. The family also have connections with
CROSS HANDS. He was manager of a wharf at SWANSEA DOCKS and also one of the
founders of ALEXANDRA ROAD CHAPEL in SWANSEA. He married CATHERINE WILLIAMS
b 1842/3, I know nothing about her family yet. There might be MORGAN
relatives in America but I'm not sure.
My other great grandfather on my mother's side was HENRY CUTCLIFFE b 1855 in
COMBE MARTIN, NORTH DEVON . He worked in insurance. He married HARRIET
THOMAS from LLANGENNITH in SWANSEA in 1879. I believe that HARRIET'S family
had connections with SWANSEA MARKET and I have a bowl and some cockle
measures which came from them. I'd love to find out more about HARRIET
THOMAS'S family. My grandfather was JOSEPH HENRY BROMHAM CUTCLIFFE, b 1888
in SWANSEA also in insurance, and he married CATHERINE MORGAN b 1877 in
SWANSEA (DANIEL MORGAN'S daughter). Her sister, MARY MORGAN, married JD
WILLIAMS who was Editor of THE CAMBRIAN newspaper.
I'm trying to establish the relationship between the different CUTCLIFFE
families in SWANSEA and the ones in DEVON. Also, my great great
grandfather, JOSEPH CUTCLIFFE married REBECCA BROMHAM from MARTINHOE ,
DEVON, in 1834 and I wonder if we're connected to any of the BROMHAMS in
WALES.
As I said, any information on any of these people would be wonderful.
Thanks a lot.
Caroline
London
Trying again with this one ......
Is there anyone on the List who has an ancestor living in Garden Street,
Swansea in 1871 ?
I would like to find this Street on the 1871 census to try and find out
who was living at No 18 in 1871, if I had a name of anyone on the street
this would make my life easier !
Kind regards, Pauline
Judging by a general search on Familysearch the earliest entries are in
Sussex, then later in Sussex, Surrey and Kent.
In 1901 census there are two, probably related, BATCUP households
Sarah, 67 and Hannah 33 are both born Sketty, both housekeepers. Sarah died
1903, still aged 67
Henry 33 born Sketty , Nickel Refiner was with Annie, 33, b Newlyn, Cornwall
, Wilfred, 4 and Ernest 2, both born Swansea.
St. Wilfred or Wilfrid is patron saint of Sussex.
Swansea marriages on FreeBMD have a series of BATCUPs , Jon 1888, David
1893, Harry 1895, Thomas 1896 but no births before this.
If they were really born in Sketty, Swansea then I assume they must have
been on 1871, 1881 and 1891 censuses in the area, but they don't seem to be
recognisable in 1881 census. I wonder what surname they are shown with.
Jeff
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Subject: Re: [Swansea] Surname Origin - BATCUP
> >Does anybody have any idea where the surname BATCUP might originate from?
>
> I checked the following books and didnt' find BATCUP in any of them,
> sorry.
> The Surnames of Wales, by John & Sheila Rowlands
> A Dictionary of English Surnames, by P.H. Reaney
> A Dictionary of English & Welsh Surnames, by Charles Bardsley
> The Surnames of Ireland, by Edward MacLysaght
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Knowing how wonderful these two list are in responding to queries such as
this, I am posting a further search regarding my ever-growing group of
basket makers.
I am trying to prove that a family in Bristol and a family in Swansea are
one and the same. It is the family of my g-g-g-grandfather, one James
MATTHEWS, one of many MATTHEWS basket makers. He had a son, Johnson William
MATTHEWS (later a basket maker) in St. Nicholas, Bristol in 1817, by his
wife Sophia. There are no further baptisms to James and Sophia and I believe
that Sophia could have died in childbirth or shortly thereafter.
There is evidence that the family moved to Swansea before settling in Brecon
(where their descendants are well documented) not least, the sudden
appearance of MATTHEWS basket makers, including a James.
I have the following from the 1841 census of Swansea:
Address: Castle Street:
S 35 032 047 CASTLE STREET
MATTHEWS Elizabeth 40 (c1801) Basket Maker
S 35 MATTHEWS Caroline 20 (c1821)
S 35 MATTHEWS Edwin 15 (c1826) Basketmaker journeyman
S 35 MATTHEWS George 14 (c1827)
S 35 MATTHEWS James 10 (c1831) (later a basket maker)
S 35 MATTHEWS Elizabeth 7 (c1834)
S 35 MATTHEWS Albert 4 (c1837)
S 35 MATTHEWS Augustine 2 (c1839)
There is little to initially suggest that this is my family. However, there
was a James MATTHEWS, basket maker in Castle Street in 1835 and the fact
that both Elizabeth (presumably now a widow) and son Edwin are both also
basket makers suggests that James was once the head of this household.
Johnson William, the eldest, was in Brecon by this time.
I have since found baptisms to confirm that James was indeed Elizabeth's
husband. These have been located for George, James, Elizabeth and Albert in
St. Marys, Swansea. Caroline and Edwin do not appear and if my theory is
correct, they could well have been born in Bristol.
To support this, I have a (possible) marriage for James and his (possible)
second wife Elizabeth at St. Michaels Bristol in 1820, followed by a
(possible) baptism (but not well dated unless he was baptised aged 2) for
young Edwin at St. Philip and Jacob, Bristol in 1823.
Could any listers for either city help me to pinpoint;
A death for Sophia MATTHEWS between 1817 and 1820.
Baptisms for Caroline c.1821 and Edwin c.1826.
A baptism for the youngest child Augustine c.1839
A death for James between 1839 and 1841.
The 1851 Swansea entry for the family to see if James and a missing child
Frederick (for who I have the baptism and who was also a basket maker in
later life) were back in the family home at that date.
Many thanks in advance.
David Matthews (who has never made a basket)
>Does anybody have any idea where the surname BATCUP might originate from?
I checked the following books and didnt' find BATCUP in any of them, sorry.
The Surnames of Wales, by John & Sheila Rowlands
A Dictionary of English Surnames, by P.H. Reaney
A Dictionary of English & Welsh Surnames, by Charles Bardsley
The Surnames of Ireland, by Edward MacLysaght
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My wife Lettice is descended from William Richards, a brother to Richard
Richards who married Catherine.
Richard Richards married Catherine Davies at Swansea St Mary in 1810.
Richard was baptised in 1783 at Mynnydbach Independent Church, with parents
Richard Richard(s) and Susannah/Jane Thomas who married 1779 at Swansea St
Mary. This Richard was baptised 1751 at Swansea St Mary to a William
Richard. Susanna/Jane was buried at Swansea St Mary in 1819.
Richard and Catherine are buried at Bethel Independent Chapel, Sketty, he in
1856, she
in 1858, and there is a tombstone. He was a joiner/builder/architect and
left a will.
Elizabeth, if you want more details, including transcript of Richard's will
and photo of tombstone, get in touch off-list.
We have not heard of any Cornish connection, but cannot rule it out.
John Tanner
Greetings from the Land o' the Maple Leaf!
I sat up and took notice at the mention of MATTHEWS in Swansea. Sadly mine
weren't basket makers. This is how they looked in the census:
1841 - can't see any other match.
1426/29 45 20 134 Charles St. (North Swansea in St. Johns)
MATTHEW William/25/Copperman/born in County
MATTHEW Lettice/25/born in County
MATTHEW ELIZABETH/5/born in County
MATTHEW Mary/4/born in County
MATTHEW Thomas/2/born in County
MATTHEW Jane/2 months/born in County
--------------------------
From the Llangyfelach Census of 1851:
HO 107/2465 514 031 TREVIVIAN
MATTHEW William/h/m/38/Copper Smelter/b. Glam. Swansea St. Mary
MATTHEW Letuce/wife/m/39/b. Glam. Swansea St. Mary
MATTHEW ELIZABETH/dau/15
MATTHEW Mary/dau/13
MATTHEW Thomas/son/11/scholar
MATTHEW Jane/dau/10/scholar
MATTHEW Ann/dau/3
MATTHEW Margaret/dau/2
-----------------------------
Film 0543234. 1861 SWANSEA
Folio 3. Page 10. Sch.44 Hafod Terrace.
MATHEWS ELIZA/servant/-/25/house servant/b. Glam. Swansea
in the household of Wm. & Mary PENNOCK/39 &33/Master Mariner b. Durham,
Sunderland, & their children. Daus. 12,4 &6, son 1.
-----------------------------
Eliza[beth] married David Lloyd NICHOLAS.
David and Eliza NICHOLAS were my g-grandparents.
Does anyone have any connections?
Best wishes, Diana-in-Canada
Hi
Would anybody know if there's an online transcription of the names shown
on the War Memorial on Mumbles Road at St Helens?
I'm trying to find out whether a Pritchard family member is shown.
Many thanks
Andrew
Hi
Does anybody have any idea where the surname BATCUP might originate
from? Or, if anybody can point me in the right direction, I'd be very
grateful. As far as I know, the family was from and stayed in the
Swansea area.
Many thanks
Andrew
This family of MATTHEWS basket makers appears in 1841 census
Glamorgan Family History Society 1841 Census CD
District Name: Swansea Enumeration District: 8 Swansea Town
Piece: 1426/04 Folio: 032 Schedule: 047
Address: CASTLE STREET
S 35 032 047 CASTLE STREET MATTHEWS ELIZABETH 40 (c1801) BASKET MAKER NO
S 35 MATTHEWS CAROLINE 20 (c1821) - NO
S 35 MATTHEWS EDWIN 15 (c1826) BASKETMAKER JOURNEYMAN YES
S 35 MATTHEWS GEORGE 14 (c1827) - YES
S 35 MATTHEWS JAMES 10 (c1831) - YES
S 35 MATTHEWS ELIZABETH 7 (c1834) - YES
S 35 MATTHEWS ALBERT 4 (c1837) - YES
S 35 MATTHEWS AUGUSTINE 2 (c1839) - YES
The young James would seem to be a candidate for the 30-year-old in Brecon
in 1861.
"This lookup was made using material published by Glamorgan Family History
Society, details of membership and their research service with a full list
of published indexes and transcriptions for sale can be seen on
http://www.glamfhs.org/ "
The 1851 census may help to establish more about the origins of this family.
Hope this helps
Jeff
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From: "David Matthews" <david(a)dentist.karoo.co.uk>
To: <WLS-SWANSEA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 11:54 AM
Subject: [Swansea] MATTHEWS basket makers
>I have been researching for some time the MATTHEWS family of Bristol which
> included generations of Basket Makers. Some of the family appear to have
> migrated to Swansea.
>
> In particular, I am trying to track down my g-g-g-grandfather, James
> MATTHEWS who I suspect moved to Swansea between 1817 and 1830. He was
> born
> in Bristol about 1793 and had a son, Johnson William MATTHEWS, there in
> 1817. His wife was called Sophia. They then disappear but his son turns
> up
> in Brecon in 1839.
>
>>From the 1830's however, references to MATTHEWS basket makers start to
>>turn
> up in Swansea and I think there were simply too many of them in Bristol
> for
> them all to make a living.
>
> In Pigot's 1835 Directory of Swansea, there is an entry for a James
> MATTHEWS, brush and basket maker, Castle Street, Swansea.
>
> I believe this is my man.
>
> Is it possible for listers to try and find any other records that might
> show
> his family with him? By 1851, his son had clearly left to go to Brecon
> but
> he and his wife Sophia may still be in Swansea at this time. There are no
> further baptisms in Bristol to James and Sophia after 1817 so perhaps
> there
> are some in Swansea? By the same token, he may have remarried and there
> could be other children of a James MATTHEWS in Swansea in the 1817-1835
> period. Any clues would be of great assistance.
>
> There are several other MATTHEWS basket makers who are likely to be linked
> in some way.
>
> There is an entry in the 1861 census of St. Mary's, Brecon that includes:
>
> Matthews, James h, m, 30, basketmaker, b GLA Swansea.
>
> It has been shown from other records that the age should have read that he
> was 36 years old, not 30. He was therefore born in 1825/26. This is a
> different James MATTHEWS therefore and indeed, could be the son of James
> and
> Sophia. The fact that he also turns up in Brecon (and of course that he
> was a basket maker) suggests that he is linked to Johnson William
> MATTHEWS.
> I believe that they were brothers (or at least cousins). Would anyone be
> able to assist with a possible baptism or other supporting record of James
> junior?
>
> Another possible sibling of Johnson William MATTHEWS is Frederick. He is
> found in the 1871 census of Swansea:
>
> MATTHEWS Frdk/lodger/m/45/Basket maker/b. Swansea
> MATTHEWS ANN/lodger/m/44/Basket maker's wife/b. Swansea
>
> He was therefore also born about 1826 and could even be James junior's
> twin!
>
> Finally, there is yet another James MATTHEWS, basket maker. From Slaters
> Commercial Directory, 1858-1859, with the villages of Mumbles, Sketty,
> Morriston, Llangefelach, Llansamlet and Neighbourhoods:
>
> Basket Makers:
> Matthews James, 22 Orange St,
>
> This James was therefore born about 1836. I have no idea where this James
> might fit in.
>
> Any information relating to these individuals would be greatly
> appreciated,
> together with any MATTHEWS or basket maker references which might prove
> relevant.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> David Matthews, East Yorkshire
>
>
>
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I have been researching for some time the MATTHEWS family of Bristol which
included generations of Basket Makers. Some of the family appear to have
migrated to Swansea.
In particular, I am trying to track down my g-g-g-grandfather, James
MATTHEWS who I suspect moved to Swansea between 1817 and 1830. He was born
in Bristol about 1793 and had a son, Johnson William MATTHEWS, there in
1817. His wife was called Sophia. They then disappear but his son turns up
in Brecon in 1839.
From the 1830's however, references to MATTHEWS basket makers start to turn
up in Swansea and I think there were simply too many of them in Bristol for
them all to make a living.
In Pigot's 1835 Directory of Swansea, there is an entry for a James
MATTHEWS, brush and basket maker, Castle Street, Swansea.
I believe this is my man.
Is it possible for listers to try and find any other records that might show
his family with him? By 1851, his son had clearly left to go to Brecon but
he and his wife Sophia may still be in Swansea at this time. There are no
further baptisms in Bristol to James and Sophia after 1817 so perhaps there
are some in Swansea? By the same token, he may have remarried and there
could be other children of a James MATTHEWS in Swansea in the 1817-1835
period. Any clues would be of great assistance.
There are several other MATTHEWS basket makers who are likely to be linked
in some way.
There is an entry in the 1861 census of St. Mary's, Brecon that includes:
Matthews, James h, m, 30, basketmaker, b GLA Swansea.
It has been shown from other records that the age should have read that he
was 36 years old, not 30. He was therefore born in 1825/26. This is a
different James MATTHEWS therefore and indeed, could be the son of James and
Sophia. The fact that he also turns up in Brecon (and of course that he
was a basket maker) suggests that he is linked to Johnson William MATTHEWS.
I believe that they were brothers (or at least cousins). Would anyone be
able to assist with a possible baptism or other supporting record of James
junior?
Another possible sibling of Johnson William MATTHEWS is Frederick. He is
found in the 1871 census of Swansea:
MATTHEWS Frdk/lodger/m/45/Basket maker/b. Swansea
MATTHEWS ANN/lodger/m/44/Basket maker's wife/b. Swansea
He was therefore also born about 1826 and could even be James junior's twin!
Finally, there is yet another James MATTHEWS, basket maker. From Slaters
Commercial Directory, 1858-1859, with the villages of Mumbles, Sketty,
Morriston, Llangefelach, Llansamlet and Neighbourhoods:
Basket Makers:
Matthews James, 22 Orange St,
This James was therefore born about 1836. I have no idea where this James
might fit in.
Any information relating to these individuals would be greatly appreciated,
together with any MATTHEWS or basket maker references which might prove
relevant.
Many thanks in advance.
David Matthews, East Yorkshire
The list has been very kind to me so far,perhaps it will be kind to me
again??
My g,g,grandmother was CATHERINE RICHARDS born 15th Aug 1815 and bp,13th
Sept 1815 at St Mary's,Swansea.Her parents were;Richard Richards and
Catherine,who's 'maiden' name I am trying to discover.
I am also trying to find out if RICHARD RICHARDS family originally came from
Cornwall.
Kind Regards,
Elizabeth.
In my quest to find my great Grandfather's wife Letitia Davies (or
Davis) born Swansea who was 19 on her marriage in 1868 in Workington to
Joseph Whitfield I have been looking at the 1881 Census for Davies (and
Davis) born Swansea for some clues.
On her 1868 marriage cert. she says her father was Edward Davis
deceased. When she remarried in 1886 he was Edward Davis, a cabinet
maker. On various certs. over the years her maiden name is both Davies
and Davis.
My great Grandfather's first child Joseph John Whitfield was born 15 May
1869 at 18 Garden Street, Swansea so I am hoping there is a connection
to the two families below somewhere.
At No 23 an Edward Davies (a tailor age 61) born Cardigan with two
daughters Mary A age 17 and Lettice age 16.
At No21 a William Davies (a mariner age 40) born Cardigan with his
family, all the five children born Swansea.
I realise that the Lettice at No 23 is not my Letitia as she was married
by then but the address Garden Street is very interesting.
At No 18 Garden Street on the 1881 there is unfortunately a Ford
Family. Does anyone know how I can find No 18 on the 1871 census ?
I would appreciate any help.
Kind regards, Pauline
Dear All,
Would anyone have any information on who worked at the
Garn-Goch Collieries?
I'm particularly interested in the following people:-
Thomas LEWIS b. 1878 Llandebie.
Ivor LEWIS (born as JONES) b.1911 Llandilo-Talybont.
William (Willie) JONES b. cir 1894 Llangyfelach.
Tom (Twm) JONES b. Carmarthen (St Peters) 1877.
All lived in the Fforest-fach & surrounding district.
Thanks in advance & regards,
Mick.
Hello Everyone,
Looking for any information on the JONES family of Fforest-fach, Swansea,
who lived around
the Carmarthen / Ystrad Road area for many years.
I'm particularly interested in "Betty" JONES, who married Walter (surname as
yet not known).
Betty is the daughter of Catherine A JONES b. cir 1884, Llangyfelach.
Catherine had numerous siblings, some of whom being... Edith, Benjamin,
Thomas, Willie, Phoebe
etc...their parents where William JONES & Ellen JONES (nee PHILLIPS) both of
which were b.
Carmarthen.
Any help (however small) gratefully received.
Yours in anticipation & thanks in advance.
Mick.