Thanks Lloyd. An interesting combination it seems - a Wooden Horse, a
Skimmington and some Charivari for good measure. I assume they are key-words
added by the indexer. I shall be interested nonetheless to discover if I
can what part my ggggg-grandfather played in it all.
Regards
Mike
on 23/10/04 7:10 PM, Lloyd Lewis at lloyd.lewis1(a)virgin.net wrote:
Hi Mike
Ceffyl Pren - The Wooden Horse.
This was used to intimidate a wrong doer or in some instances carry out a
punishment which had not been bad enough to go to Court.
The men would blacken their faces and very often dressed in woman's clothes
to hide their identity.
In the next issue of Cronicl Powys, the journal of the Powys FHS there is an
article which details a 'Ceffyl Pren' and how severe they could be.
To obtain a copy of the 'Roll' write or email the NLW with the index details
and request a cost to include postage and you should be able to obtain it.
www.llgc.org.uk
or email Stephen at
stb(a)llgc.org.uk
Regards
Lloyd,
Editor, Cronicl Powys,
Powys FHS
www.rootsweb.com/~wlspfhs
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike bevan" <mikebevan(a)free.fr>
To: <WLS-RADNORSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WLS-RAD] Llys y Sesiwn Fawr, 1730-1830 / Court of
GreatSessions, 1730-1830
> Dear Stephen
>
> How interesting! I thought it unlikely that my highly respectable
> Radnorshire ancestors would appear in this database . . . but I had a look
> anyway. And found the following entry for my ggggg-grandfather:
>
> Accused
>
> John Forester; Parish: Presteigne; County: Radnor; Status: Yeoman
>
> Offence
>
> Riot, making an effigy of prosecutor and exposing the same to injure
> prosecutor's reputation and burning the effigy. Ceffyl
> pren/skimmington/charivari.
>
> Location and date
>
> Parish: Presteigne; County: Radnor; Date: 30 February 1752
>
> Prosecutor
>
> John Price, Knighton, gent.
>
> Verdict
>
> No true bill.
>
> File number
>
> 4/522/2 Document number 9
>
>
> Would you (or anyone else) be able to help me with:
>
> (a) the meaning of "Ceffyl pren/skimmington/charivari", and
>
> (b) how I might obtain a copy of the contents of the cited file/document?
>
> I live in France, but would be happy to pay any reasonable costs.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Mike Bevan
> mikebevan(a)free.fr
>
>
>
>
> on 21/10/04 12:12 PM, Stephen Benham at stb(a)llgc.org.uk wrote:
>
>> (The English version is below)
>>
>> Ymddiheuriadau am "cross-posting" (ac am safon fy Nghymraeg).
>>
>> Mae'r Llyfrgell Genedlaethol newydd lawnsio "Trosedd a chosb",
cronfa
>> data o enwau, troseddau a chosbau yn ffeiliau cachar y Sesiwn Fawr yng
>> Nghymru rhwng 1730 a diddymiad y llys ym 1830:
>>
http://www.llgc.org.uk/sesiwn_fawr/index_c.htm
>>
>> Roedd Llys y Sesiwn Fawr fersiwn Cymreig o llysoedd yr assize yn siroedd
>> Lloegr. Caeth y llys hefyd rhan o awdurdod y Kings Bench yng Nghymru.
>> Felly, roedd y llys yn gallu clywed bob math o achosion o fân-ladrad i
>> uchel-frad.
>>
>> Dydy'r cofnodion ddim yn cynnwys achosion wedi'u clywed yn sir Fynwy,
>> oherwydd roedd y sir hon rhan o gylchdaith assizes Rhydychen
>> (ffynhonnell y celwydd bod sir Fynwy'n rhan o Lloegr). Beth bynnag, mae
>> 'na achosion o diddordeb sir Fynyw, Lloegr a llefydd eraill dramor.
>>
>> Mae 'na tipyn bach llai na 21,000 o achosion. Mae'r rhan fwyaf o'r
>> maesydd ar y tudalen chwilio yn "free-text", felly does dim angen
>> "wild-cards". Er enghraifft, bydd Ben yn un o'r maesydd enwau
(erlynydd
>> a throseddwr) yn dychwelyd yr enwau cyntaf/cyfenwau Benjamin ac
>> Ebenezer, ac y cyfenwau Benion a Dolben.
>>
>> Stephen Benham
>>
>> ------ English ------
>>
>> Apologies for cross-posting.
>>
>> The National Library of Wales has just launched "Trosedd a chosb / Crime
>> and punishment", a database of the criminals, crimes and punishments in
>> the gaol files of the Court of Great Sessions in Wales from 1730 until
>> its abolition in 1830:
http://www.llgc.org.uk/sesiwn_fawr/index_c.htm
>>
>> The Court of Great Sessions was Wales's equivalent to the English
>> assizes. It also had part of the jurisdiction of the Kings Bench in
>> Wales, and so could try all types of crimes, from petty thefts to high
>> treason.
>>
>> The records of the court do not include cases tried in Monmouthshire
>> since that county formed part of the Oxford Assize circuit (the origin
>> of the canard that Monmouthshire was part of England). There are,
>> however, a number of cases of Monmouthshire, English and other foreign
>> interest on the database.
>>
>> There are just shy of 21,000 cases. Most of the fields are free-text, so
>> there is no need for wild-cards. So for example, Ben in one of the names
>> fields (accused and prosecutor) will return the forenames/surnames
>> Benjamin and Ebenezer, and the surnames Benion and Dolben.
>>
>> Stephen Benham
>>
>>
>
>