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Greetings: I am attempting to trace my GG Grandmother who is listed on all available Census records as having been born in Knighton, Radnorshire in 1798. Her details are:
WATKINS Charlotte born 1798 in Knighton.
Married : HOWELLS Philip ( claims to have been born in Malta) 1800
Their children were all born in Chelsea, Surrey.
They were both resident in St. George Workhouse on 1871 Census - she was listed as a dressmaker and he as an inmate.
I believe Charlotte may have died in the Knighton Workhouse in 1872 at age 74.
Philip was resident in St. George Workhouse on 1881 Census.
Any information regarding Charlotte's birth, the names of her parents or any siblings would be most welcome.
Thank you
Wendy White nee Howells
Finniss South Australia 5255
I wonder if anyone would mind looking in the 1851 Radnorshire census for
George Lewis, aged 13-15 and his brother William one year younger. They are
probably living at Lower Eskair Llanbadarn Fynydd because that is the
farmhouse that burned down while he was looking after the younger children
and after which he upped and went to London. The tenant at that time was
probably their step father John Price. They could possibly be living at
Upper Eskair in the same village or The Fron in Llanbister and I can't rule
out he was living somewhere in Llananno.
I would appreciate this help as my wife's health has deteriorated to the
extent that I can no longer get down to the record office at Llandrindod
Wells to look for myself and even when S&N publish the census it is a lot of
money for one entry.
Ted Wildey
Hello
Glandrondid is probably Llandrindod Wells, or possibly Llandegley. There are John James' of around the right age in both these locations on the Radnor 1841 census.
Regards
kmo
<x-flowed>
HI List,
I am interested in any information about John James b. 1831 in Glandrondid
(Glandrindad?), Radnorshire.
He married Sibiah, I've no idea what her maiden name was but she was born
in Bwich Y Gran, Aberystruth.
I have them in the 1881 census living in Aberystruth, Monmouth, Wales.
Cheers,
Steve
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Hello,
I have just run across an entry from what must be someone related (haven't
figured out how yet)..but they have listed South Dunby as the place where
Thomas Jones came from to the States in early 1840s. I have posted before with
not much success but am hopeful that someone will be able to decipher what
might have been meant...I have it as S Dunby in records passed on to me at my
father's death...the person who recorded on the web interpreted S as
South...could there be a mistake and it be St. something? His birth is put between
1818-1822. He most likely came from around Clyro or Merthyr Tydfil.
Thanks for any help..am afraid I'll never get anything more about him.
Kathy
Please remove our mailing address until August 1, 2005. Thank You A. Stoesz
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From: John Ball
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 2:17 AM
To: WLS-RADNORSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [WLS-RAD] Welsh Ancestor List - Is YOUR entry about to be removed? (cross posting)
Dear Listers,
I have just completed the first stage of my annual check on the validity of
e-mail addresses linked to over 2,250 entries on my 'Welsh Ancestor List'
webpages.
The address check revealed 178 submitters' e-mail addresses which trigger
"Undeliverable Mail" error messages. These invalid addresses are displayed
on the 'Dead Addresses List' at
http://www.wfha.clara.net/wales/lostsouls.htm
Over the next week or two I shall be transferring the 270 associated entries
from the main 'Welsh Ancestor List' to a temporary 'Deletions List' webpage.
Study the 'Dead Addresses List' to find out whether *your* entries are in
danger of being removed from the 'Welsh Ancestor List'.
The temporary 'Deletions List' will be removed permanently from my website
on 31st May 2005.
Best wishes,
John
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John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK
E-mail: wfha(a)clara.co.uk
Homepage: http://www.wfha.clara.net/
Images of Wales: http://www.wfha.clara.net/walespic/
Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.wfha.clara.net/wales/
GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/
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Dear Listers,
I have just completed the first stage of my annual check on the validity of
e-mail addresses linked to over 2,250 entries on my 'Welsh Ancestor List'
webpages.
The address check revealed 178 submitters' e-mail addresses which trigger
"Undeliverable Mail" error messages. These invalid addresses are displayed
on the 'Dead Addresses List' at
http://www.wfha.clara.net/wales/lostsouls.htm
Over the next week or two I shall be transferring the 270 associated entries
from the main 'Welsh Ancestor List' to a temporary 'Deletions List' webpage.
Study the 'Dead Addresses List' to find out whether *your* entries are in
danger of being removed from the 'Welsh Ancestor List'.
The temporary 'Deletions List' will be removed permanently from my website
on 31st May 2005.
Best wishes,
John
----------------------------
John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK
E-mail: wfha(a)clara.co.uk
Homepage: http://www.wfha.clara.net/
Images of Wales: http://www.wfha.clara.net/walespic/
Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.wfha.clara.net/wales/
GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/
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Ellen
Sorry about confusing you with my abbreviations. I could say it was in order
to save time or because in my working life that was what I did but the real
reason is that I get irritated with Welsh spelling. I can't understand why,
when the language adopted the latin script, it didn't use it conventionally.
The only convincing explanation I can come up with is it would confuse the
English in much the same way Napoleon decided they would drive on the right
in France.
Llanbadarn Fynydd (LF)is on the A483 between Newtown and Llandrindod Wells.
It is on both sides of the road. Llanbister is a few miles south. I think
it is on only the east side of the road. Llananno is on the west side of
the road although actually situated some way from the road. The remains of
the house my great great grandmother died in are in Llananno but just south
of the LF boundary.
I can't speak for the rest of Wales but in LF, even today, the postal
address is the name of the farm. Upper Eskair (how it is usually spelt in
the parish registers, incidentally)is the farm on the upper part of the hill
just north of the village to the east of the A483. Lower Eskair is,
obviously, on the lower slopes. The Fron, although it is in Llanbister, the
village to the south of LF, is actually on the far slope of the same hill
with a common boundary to the LF farms.
I hope that helps.
I have just taken another look at the photo of the gravestone and realize
Edward was the son of John Price. He was obviously born a year or so before
Elizabeth and John married but don't know what surname he used.
Regards
Ted Wildey
-----Original Message-----
From: John Ball [mailto:wfha@clara.co.uk]
Sent: 13 May 2005 08:04
To: WLS-RADNORSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [WLS-RAD] LEWIS/DAVIES/LLanbardarn Fynydd (LF)
Ellen Mckanna <mckanna879(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
I am a bit confused over the names of certain towns or villages that you
[Ted Wildey] have mentioned in your email so I hope you will explain them a
bit. I don't happen to have a map of Wales at this time so will have to
look for the places later. Where is Upper Eskair LF and where would be
The Fron Llanbister. I have found Llanbister on Map Quest since my great
grandmother, Anna George was born there in the mid 1800's.
=================
Dear Ellen,
Ted has used LF as his abbreviation of Llanbadarn Fynydd (see subject
heading). This is the name of a parish and village in the county of
Radnorshire. Upper Eskair is an anglicised version of Esgair Uchaf, a farm
situated about one mile north of the village of Llanbadarn Fynydd.
The LDS transcription of the 1881 census records the farm as "Esgir" and
describes it as comprising 630 acres.
You can call up a highly detailed (1:10,560-scale) late 19th century map of
this area by going to the Old Maps website at http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
On the main page, select the "Co-ordinates" option in the search facility
(near top left of the page). In the search field enter the co-ordinates
309938,278639 (without any spaces) and click the Search button.
When the small map appears, click on the "Enlarged view" button below the
map. A highly detailed large map of the area will open in a new window, with
Esgair Uchaf Farm at the top and Llanbadarn Fynydd village at the bottom.
You can save the enlarged view map to your hard disc by clicking on the map
with your right mouse button and selecting the "Save Picture As..." option
in the menu which appears.
You'll find out more about the parish of Llanbadarn Fynydd on the GENUKI
website at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/RAD/LlanbadarnFynydd/
The Fron is a farm in the parish of Llanbister, county of Radnorshire. It
was enumerated in the 1881 census near to Brook Cottage, Lienwient [sic],
The Sign (farm), and Tynybrunny. Thus far, I've been unable to locate any of
these places on my Ordnance Survey 'Pathfinder' map.
You'll find out more about the parish of Llanbister on the GENUKI website at
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/RAD/Llanbister/
Kind regards,
John
----------------------------
John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK
E-mail: wfha(a)clara.co.uk
Homepage: http://www.wfha.clara.net/
Images of Wales: http://www.wfha.clara.net/walespic/
Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.wfha.clara.net/wales/
GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/
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Thanks to both Ted and Wendy for responding so quickly to my questions.
I really appreciate it and for the life of me I don't know why I didn't
start sooner trying to find out more about my Welsh ancestors. This has
been really exciting for me to find my gr gr grandparents in the 1851
census.
Now I would like to jump to my other gr gr grandfather, Richard Lewis in
the 1851 census. I don't know if he lived in Radnorshire but in the
short bio I have of him he said he was born in south Wales. This is
what I know:
Richard Lewis was born Nov. 8, 1844
Father was James Lewis, wife, Ann Owens, died 1846. James had
two more wives after Ann died but no idea who they
were. I have them living in Radnorshire but no idea where I got
that.
Ellen
Hi Ellen
this is from the POWYS 1851 census transcription
HO107/2493, Radnorshire, ED Knighton, twp. Cwmllechwedd, parish Llanbister
folio 356 pg 3
GEORGE, EDWARD, h, m, 35, farmer 15 acres, MGY Llangurig, Tylcae
GEORGE, JANE, w, m, 265, Rad. Llanbister, Tylcae
GEORGE, MARTHA, d, -, 7, Rad. Llanbister, Tylcae
GEORGE, EDWARD, s, -, 6, Rad. Llanbister, Tylcae
GEORGE, JANE, d, -, 3, Rad. Llanbister, Tylcae
GEORGE, RICHARD, s, -, 1, Rad. Llanbister, Tylcae
Folio 360 pg 10
GEORGE, ANNE, vs, u, 17, farmers daur, Rad. Llanbister, New House
Folio 360 pg 11
GEORGE, JOHN, h, m, farmer 50 acres, MGY Llangurig, Great Moelfre
GEORGE, ELIZABETH, w, m, 50, farmers wife, MGY Llangurig, Great Moelfre
GEORGE, ELIZABETH, d, u, 23, Rad, Llanbister, Great Moelfre
GEORGE, MARY, d, -, 14, Rad, Llanbister, Great Moelfre
GEORGE, SARAH, d, -, 7, Rad. Llanbister, Great Moelfre
GEORGE, Edward, s, -, 10, Rad. Llanbister, Great Molefre
Folio 362 pg 14
GEORGE, EVAN, h, m, 29, ag-lab, Rad. Llanbister, Pant y fonen
GEORGE, CHARLOTTE, w, m, 30, Rad. Llanbister, Pant y fonen
GEORGE, JOHN, s, -, 11, Rad. Llanbister, Pant y fonen
GEORGE, WILLIAM, s, -, 3, Rad. Llanbister, Pant y fonen
GEORGE, JAMES, s, -, 2, Rad. Llanbister, Pant y fonen
GEORGE, MARY, d, -, 3mth, Rad. Llanbister, Pant y fonen
I also cheked the 1841, there are no GEORGE listings in the index
Hope this is what you need
Wendy Temple
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ellen Mckanna" <mckanna879(a)earthlink.net>
To: <WLS-RADNORSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:03 AM
Subject: [WLS-RAD] Welsh villages/farms
> Thanks, John for your reply and a map site. Will check them out.
> Really appreciate the information.
> This encourages me to ask another question and that is does someone have
> the 1851 census for Radnorshire and could look to see if the two
> following people are mentioned:
>
> Edward George, Born June 3, 1813, Llangurig Parish,
> Montgomeryshire
> Jane James, wife, born March 9, 1822, Radnorshire
> I believe they had 5 children born, probably in Radnorshire before they
> emigrated to Wisconsin in 1855. My great grandmother, Anna George was
> born in Llanbister June 18, 1851. I am wondering about parish records
> as well.
> Thanks ever so much for the help.
>
> Ellen McKanna
> Tacoma, WA USA
>
>
>
>
Thanks, John for your reply and a map site. Will check them out.
Really appreciate the information.
This encourages me to ask another question and that is does someone have
the 1851 census for Radnorshire and could look to see if the two
following people are mentioned:
Edward George, Born June 3, 1813, Llangurig Parish,
Montgomeryshire
Jane James, wife, born March 9, 1822, Radnorshire
I believe they had 5 children born, probably in Radnorshire before they
emigrated to Wisconsin in 1855. My great grandmother, Anna George was
born in Llanbister June 18, 1851. I am wondering about parish records
as well.
Thanks ever so much for the help.
Ellen McKanna
Tacoma, WA USA
Sheila,
I can only suggest you submit sonething to the Powys FHS 'Cronicl', if a
member, remember to up-date your interests in the cronicl and also the new
'Members Interests' publication.
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sheila Binder" <baseline(a)oberon.ark.com>
To: <WLS-RADNORSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:20 AM
Subject: [WLS-RAD] Meredith/ Chaloner
> Philip,
> Thank you for your prompt response.
> New question: About 1864 Richard Chaloner left Mount Forest, Canada and
went
> to South Africa. He travelled to England first, and then by sailing ship
to
> Durban, Natal. He was on the Barque "Endora".during August and September.
> Apparently friends from his youth in Clyro were already there and he hoped
> to meet them. He was age 63 at the time. and became involved in growing
> coffee. He remained there for 10 years before he returned to Canada.
> Does anyone have any interesting info on this group?
> Also, is there any record of Chaloners before 1748? This is way before
> census and so I don't know what kind of records there might be. There is
> folklore within the family that these Chaloners were related to the
> Chaloners of Guisborough in Yorkshire, but no concrete link has been
> established.
> Thanks, Sheila
>
>
Anne,
Contact me direct, i can send some possible info then.
Phil Bufton
Philbufton(a)hotmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anne Marshall" <mgmarshall(a)qwest.net>
To: <WLS-RADNORSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [WLS-RAD] Interests and info
> Phil,
>
> Do you have a burial for Mary Jones, Llanbister, date of death, March
> 31, 1845?
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> Anne Marshall
> Mesa Arizona
>
>
With so much traffic on the list at present I thought I would try my luck
again with my 'wall'.
My great great grandparents were
James LEWIS and Elizabeth DAVIES. - married April 16th 1831 in LF
There is no real evidence but James was almost certainly the son of Robert
Lewis (1781-1856) of Upper Eskair LF and Charlotte Davies (1781/3-1864).
They married in LF December 2nd 1805
James was born probably in the period 1806-1810. He died sometime,
somewhere before the 1841 census
Elizabeth was born about 1812 and died in 1847. In 1841 she was living at
The Fron Llanbister with her Brother in Law Robert's family and a James
Davies. He was not her father as he died aged 55 in 1847 a batchelor.
They had three known children
Elizabeth born September 1831 - nothing known
George - my great grandfather - born about 1837 - moved (walked actually)to
London around time of 1851 census. I can't find him in London but he may
still have been in LF at that time. His ancestry is somewhat confused as he
shows his uncle Robert as his father on his marriage certificate. Whether
this was so or he had no knowledge of his real father due to the early loss
I know not.
William - born about 1838 - living with George in London by 1861
Elizabeth married John PRICE of Lower Eskair (LF)on April 30th 1842
They had at least one child, Charlotte who died aged 5 days May 5th 1847.
Elizabeth died a week or so later of child bed fever.
According to the gravestone there was also a son, Edward who died in 1863
aged 22. There is no indication of the father.
If anyone recognizes any of my names and can fill in any details please let
me know, especially if anyone has the 1851 census and can tell me if George
was still living in Llanbardarn Fynydd, Llanbister or Llananno then.
In return I may be able to help with London census queries.
Ted Wildey
Grayshott
Hampshire
Ron
Thanks for the info but I can find no link.
Rhayader is the right kind of area it is not too far from Nantmel but I have
nothing in my database for this woman or her Dad
Thanks again and best Wishes
PS look out in the Ashes series we may be a bit closer to you this time
John
> From: "Ron Aubrey" <ronkaub(a)optusnet.com.au>
> Reply-To: WLS-RADNORSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 07:01:00 +1000
> To: WLS-RADNORSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [WLS-RAD] Re Bounds family of Nantmel later Huntington
> Resent-From: WLS-RADNORSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Resent-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 15:01:22 -0600
>
> Hi John,
> I have a Mary Bound (or Bounds) born Rhayader c. 1831, father William and
> mother (possibly) Eliza Evans. Mary married Thomas Aubrey (Awbrey) in 1851
> in Radnorshire. Do you think there is any family link between my Mary and
> your Bounds family?
> Regards,
> Ron Aubrey, Australia.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Bounds" <john.bounds(a)lineone.net>
> To: <WLS-RADNORSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:04 AM
> Subject: [WLS-RAD] Re Bounds family of Nantmel later Huntington
>
>
>> Hi
>>
>> can you help with more details?
>>
>> Samuel Bounds born 1770 probably around Nantmel, Rads
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> John (In Sussex, Sussex by the sea)
>>
>>
>>
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Does anyone have any information on Bell Inn in Llansantffraid Cwmdeuddr or
the Butchers' Arms in Rhayader. At one time I believe my greatgrandmother's
brothers were working in these places (before 1900). Thanks.
Hi Melissa, Thank you for sharing your Hugh Jones info... I'm really hoping
to get the hang of how to best make "good use" out of all the work you and
others have already done! Any other details will be most welcome. I hope I
am able to reciprocate someday. Pat
Philip,
Thank you for your prompt response.
New question: About 1864 Richard Chaloner left Mount Forest, Canada and went
to South Africa. He travelled to England first, and then by sailing ship to
Durban, Natal. He was on the Barque "Endora".during August and September.
Apparently friends from his youth in Clyro were already there and he hoped
to meet them. He was age 63 at the time. and became involved in growing
coffee. He remained there for 10 years before he returned to Canada.
Does anyone have any interesting info on this group?
Also, is there any record of Chaloners before 1748? This is way before
census and so I don't know what kind of records there might be. There is
folklore within the family that these Chaloners were related to the
Chaloners of Guisborough in Yorkshire, but no concrete link has been
established.
Thanks, Sheila
Can i just say it is brilliant to see so many people making use of the
Radnor list.
Secondly, my interests at bottom of page
Excuse all the lines in my inserted table, the data is taken from my Members
Interests submission form ready to go off to Powys FHS.
Thirdly, as i am Powys FHS National Burials Index Co-Ordinator and my wife
Heather is the Powys Strays Index Co-Ordinator, we can do look-ups if
required.
Burials cover in general is 1813-1851, a couple of the parishes have better
coverage, most of radnorshire is covered for those dates.
Strays cover all dates of course.
As a ps, A Stray in our index is a person born in either Breconshire,
Radnorshire or Montgomeryshire and found outside their county of birth.
Powys FHS are also holding a family history fair in Welshpool, Mgy on Sat
6th August, come along and see us if you can.
Phil Bufton
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlspfhs/index.htm
Bufton
Llanbister
RAD
1730-1860
Bufton
Norton
RAD
1860-1881
Bufton
Shobdon
HEF
1881-1920
Bufton
Kington
HEF
1900
Bufton
Chinook, Montana
USA
1903-1909
Bufton
Stewartville, Minn
USA
1903-1909
Bufton
Dilwyn
HEF
1905-Date
Chandler
Bromyard
HEF
1762-1861
Chandler
Dilwyn
HEF
1861-1900
Chandler
Weobley
HEF
1900-1954
Cooke
Kington
HEF
1900
Edwards
Kempley
GLS
1840-1851
Edwards
Sellack
HEF
1861-1901
Edwards
Weobley
HEF
1928-1968
Evans
Ross
HEF
19c
Evesham
Ledbury
HEF
1884
Evesham
Tarrington
HEF
1907-1922
French
Tarrington
HEF
Post 1872
French
Aldwincle
NTH
Pre 1872
Jones
Stretton Sugwas
HEF
Post 1900
Lawman
Sharnbrook
BDF
19c
Morris
Knighton
RAD
1825-1852
Rogers
Ivington
HEF
1865
Taylor
Kinnersley
HEF
1887-1914
Radnorshire towns, surnames and time periods of interest:
Old Radnor Ball, McLothlin, Edwards, Williams, Davies
1725 through late 1800s
New Radnor Shewell, Williams 1900s
Rhulen Evans very early 1800s
I have a good deal of information for the Old Radnor area gained from
studying the parish registers of St. Stephen's Church (Old Radnor), all available
censuses for Old Radnor, regional directories, and family archives--letters and
diaries.
Charlotte Eberhard
Athens, Georgia USA
ceberh4155(a)aol.com