Thank you, Julie and John, for your guidance. John, the server for the
map location is not available right now so I will try after the 19th.
Julie, I will go to a LDS library not too far from me and order the
referenced BTs and the 1841 census.
There was some work done on this family for me by a Montgomeryshire
researcher 10 years ago. I am just now getting back to it. The letters
I have unfortunately gave no given names of Hannah's siblings, just "your
sister, your brother..." Hannah was married in Mochdre parish 14 May
1831 (Parish record); 1st child Mary born 20 Oct 1832 (cemetery stone
inscription) in Wales (1850 census USA). Family in USA when 2nd child
John born 2 Nov 1833 (stone inscription & 1850 census). Have not yet
found arrival date in USA.
Thanks again for your assistance.
Jeane Owens Randolph, Ohio, USA
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:37:43 -0000 "John Ball" <wfha(a)clara.co.uk> writes:
Jeane Randolph <jgrandolph(a)juno.com> wrote:
On a 6 August 1840 letter, heading was written "Cyvyderen." Letters
were
from a Jane Davies to her daughter Hannah & husband John Owens,
Shoemaker in
Ohio, USA. She mentioned farm crops and Newtown.
Julie Preston <juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net> responded:
In the 1851 Census, there were 2 farms in the parish of Kerry (near
Newtown), Little Cefnyberen and Great Cefnyberen. By 1881, there
was also a
third called Cefnyberen.
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Dear Jeane,
I agree with Julie's suggestion that your "Cyvyderen" or
"Cevenderen" are
corrupted spellings of Cefnyberen.
The modern Ordnance Survey Landranger series map (sheet 136) shows
"Great
Cefnyberin" at co-ordinates 319600,291900 which places it five miles
due
east of Newtown.
A 1940's Ordnance Survey "One-Inch" series map (sheet 128) shows
"Great
Cefn-y-berin" at the same location.
The 1:10,560-scale late 19th century map (at
www.old-maps.co.uk/)
shows
"Great Cefn-y-berin" at the same location, plus "Little
Cefn-y-berin" just
three fields to the south.
On the main page of the Old Maps website, select the "Co-ordinates"
option
in the search facility (near top left of the page). In the search
field
enter the co-ordinates 319648,291669 (without any spaces) and click
the
Search button. When the small map appears, click on the "Enlarged
view"
button below the map. A highly detailed large map of the area will
open in a
new window, centred roughly halfway between Great Cefn-y-berin and
Little
Cefn-y-berin.
You can save the enlarged view map to your hard disc by clicking on
the map
with your right mouse button and selecting the "Save Picture As..."
option
in the menu which appears.
The 1881 census records show Great Cefnyberen to be a 100-acre farm
and
Little Cefnyberen to be a 92-acre farm. "Cefnyberen" is enumerated
next to
Cwmberllan, a 520-acre farm situated less than ½ mile northeast of
Great
Cefnyberen farm. Possibly Cefnyberen (as recorded in the 1881
census) wasn't
itself a farm, but a cottage on Great Cefnyberen land?
According to Kain and Oliver (2001), all of the above farms were in
the
township of "Cefnyberin" in the parish of Kerry.
[Source: "Historic Parishes of England & Wales" by Roger J. P. Kain
and
Richard R. Oliver, published 2001 by History Data Service,
University of
Essex, Colchester. ISBN 0-9540032-0-9]
Kind regards,
John
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