Mike,
Welcome to the list. The Powys list is also applicable and many people subscribe to it as
they have overlapping interests in the 3 counties.
You may already have these details but I wasn't sure so I'm passing them on. The
1851 Census entries are from the CD pub. by Powys FHS and available for purchase -- 1851
Census of Montgomeryshire.
1851 Census, Parish (and town) of Llanidloes:
There were no LUCAS' in the parish of Llanwnog (in or out of the Union Workhouse) in
1851.
LUCAS Edward h m 70 Flannel weaver MGY
Llangurig Smithfield /f157/p25
LUCAS Elizabeth w m 65 Yarn winder MGY
Llangurig Smithfield /f157/p25
WILLIAMS Rebecca ld u 25 Flannel weaver n. k.
Smithfield /f157/p25
LEWIS Elizabeth ld u 11 Nurse
MGY Llanidloes Smithfield /f157/p25
This looks like your Ann LUCAS with her widowed mother in 1851 - Ann's birthplace is
Llanidloes -- you'll need to locate her baptism (possibly Llanidloes Parish Church --
PR's & BT's held by Nat'l. Library and Powys County Archives. Also
suggest you locate this family (probably in Llanidloes) in 1841, hopefully before the
death of Elizabeth's husband. (This is the only Ann LUCAS in the area in 1851.)
Likewise, you should locate Ann with her son in subsequent census returns to see if her
details match the details below (or close enough to proceed cautiously, anyway).
LUCAS Elizabeth h w 58 Wool yarn winder MGY
Trefeglwys Barracks /f248/p10
LUCAS Ann d u 22 Wool yarn spinner MGY
Llanidloes Barracks /f248/p10
LUCAS Anna Elizabeth gd u 6 Scholar MGY
Llanidloes Barracks /f248/p10
MARCH William gs u 2
MGY Llanidloes Barracks /f248/p10
The IGI, as you may already know, shows two possible christenings for Ann LUCAS in/around
1829 in Montgomeryshire:
Ann
Female
Chr. 19 Feb. 1829 Zion Independent Llanidloes Montgomery
Father: Rees LUCAS
Mother: Elizabeth POWELL
Batch No. C104601
LDS Film No. 0813550 (RG4 3907), (tem 4, Church Records 1818-37, Zion Chapel, Llanidloes,
Congregational)
(A search online of the above Batch No. C104601 yields only the baptism of Ann -- no other
LUCAS children christened in that chapel, apparently.)
Ann
Female
Chr. 13 Dec. 1829 Aberhafesp,Montgomery
Father: Richard LUCAS
Mother: Ann
Batch No. C090541
LDS Film No. 0104771 (Bishop's Transcripts, Aberhafesp, Montgomery)
The first entry above would appear to be the corresponding entry to the Ann found in 1851
with her mother, Elizabeth. The IGI has some LUCAS entries but many are patron
submissions ("Birth About") and not taken from actual parish register entries so
there's no solid information on Rees LUCAS, father of Ann b.1829. Suggest looking for
his death using
www.1837online (hoping he died after July 1837) and sending for his death
certificate which could provide more clues.
I can find no (surviving) monumental inscriptions for these families in any of the
MI's I have (i.e., Llanidloes Par. Church and N/C chapels, Llanwnog PC & N/C,
Carno, Trefeglwys). Of course, that is not to say they aren't buried there,
somewhere. (There is a John LUCAS, wife Catherine and some of their children in
Llanidloes Parish Churchyard.) I don't have MI's for Llangurig.
Regards,
Julie Preston
juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net
----- Original Message -----
From: mike white
To: WLS-MONTGOMERYSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:35 AM
Subject: [WLS-MGY] LUCAS Llandiloes
hi, listers,
my first message to this list, but if it is anything like the others I'm
on, then I know I'll be at home!
I am trying to trace back the family of Edward LUCAS b. sept.1853 whose
mother was Ann LUCAS. Father not registered. Edward was born in the
Union Workhouse at Llanwynog, but subsequently said (on census) he was
born in Llandiloes. I have had sight of a family tree which has 5
generations of Edward LUCAS' stretching from 1640 to 1776 born in and
around Llangurig. I believe Ann to be the grandaughter of Edward LUCAS
b. 1776. I also believe (with less certainty) that this Edward was
married to Sarah Lewis in 1803 at Trefeglwys. My problem is to trace
Ann's parents and tie them in to this Edward.
Can anyone help, please.
thanks in advance,
mikew