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Hello All,
Please can anyone tell me where I can find an explanation of the notations used in the census data?
Most I think I know (e.g. h = head, w = wife, s = son etc.) but I recently came across 'nc' and 'ml', and I imagine there are others that I will not know. The 'ml' looks like 'mother-in-law' but 'nc' is against a male name so cannot be 'niece' which was my immediate reaction.
Thanks in advance,
Michael Ward
I see that the images (no index) of the 1891 census for Montgomeryshire ae
now available for a subscription payment on <A HREF="http://ancestry.co.uk">ancestry.co.uk</A>
At £70 for a 12 month subscription or £30 for three months, the subscription
price is quite expensive if you only want to look for one or two names, but
if you have lots of people to look for and you live far away from the nearest
library which holds the info on fiche, it could work out cheaper than
travelling expenses.
All the best
Alwyn
http://dolgellau.me.uk
Hi all,
Anyone able to assist with this project? (Maybe Lloyd, John???)
>Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:18:27 -0800 (PST)
>From: Debbie Sprague <dsprague146(a)yahoo.com>
>
>Hello,
>
>I have been a member of this list for a short time and
>have found a lot of helpful information.
>
>I am an elementary school teacher in Massachusetts and
>have a fellowship to do a project on Welsh immigration
>to North Adams, Massachusetts, USA. In the late
>1800's and early 1900's many Welsh immigrants mostly
>from Newtown Wales came to the Blackinton village in
>N. Adams.
>
>This is a link to an article that appeared this week
>in a local paper about my project.
>http://www.iberkshire.com/advocate/story9631.html
>
>I am currently looking for a school in Newtown or
>close by that would be interested in connecting with
>our 4th grade students.
>
>I appreciate any help list members can provide and
>will keep you posted about progress of our Web site
>which will include information on Blackinton Village
>and its inhabitants.
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>
>Debbie Sprague
>Blackinton Project
>dsprague146(a)yahoo.com
>
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A2A Update, February 2003
This month's A2A Update contains information about additions to the A2A
database; current projects which have been granted funding by the Heritage
Lottery Fund; and housekeeping information for A2A contributors.
The latest update to the A2A database at www.a2a.pro.gov.uk took place on 3
February 2003; the database now contains nearly 4.15 million catalogue
entries from 251 archives repositories in England.
The new additions included: catalogues of poor law union archives held at
Shropshire Records and Research Centre, archives of Methodist churches held
at Wolverhampton Archives and Local Studies, and Church of England parish
records held at Worcestershire Record Office, submitted through the West
Midlands Region's Seven Ages of Man project; a catalogue of the papers of
Cecil Frank Powell FRS (a 20th-century pioneer in particle physics, best
known for his discovery of the pion) held at the University of Bristol,
newly prepared by the National Cataloguing Unit for the Archives of
Contemporary Scientists at the University of Bath through the Cosmic Rays
and the Solid State project; and the catalogue of historical correspondence
relating to English Freemasonry held at the Library and Museum of
Freemasonry, submitted through the Antients and Moderns project.
Further collection-level descriptions from the Yorkshire Signpost project
have also been added, as have catalogues of various archives held at
Bedfordshire and Luton Archives and Records Centre, Cheshire and Chester
Archives and Local Studies Service, East Sussex Record Office, Hastings
Museum and Art Gallery, and the Rural History Centre at Reading University.
More finding aids for hospital archives - held at several repositories -
were also included this month. The next A2A database update should take
place towards the end of March.
The A2A Central Team is very pleased to report that the Heritage Lottery
Fund has announced five more grants - to the following A2A projects. Access
to the Crimlisk Fisher Archive will provide new catalogues for the archives
relating to Filey in East Yorkshire held at Filey Town Council's Crimlisk
Fisher Archive. Shafts of Light, led by Rotherham Archives and Local
Studies, will provide access to archives of coal mining and coalfield
communities held by the four local authority archive services in South
Yorkshire. Saints and Sinners, led by London Metropolitan Archives, will
enhance and automate catalogues of diocesan archives in eight repositories
in London and the South East. Aladdin's Cave and Local Governance and the
Community are South East Region projects: both led by West Sussex Record
Office, they will provide access to (respectively) non-official archives
ranging from the personal diary of a nineteenth century gentlewoman to a
photograph album of the interior of a local department store in the 1940s,
held in six record offices in the region; and the archives of local bodies
including parish councils, Poor Law Unions and schools held in 11
repositories in the South East.
> snip instructions for archivists
A2A is the English strand in the UK archives network: its database at
www.a2a.pro.gov.uk already contains the electronic equivalent of over
400,000 catalogue pages describing archives held across England in national,
local and specialist repositories and dating from the 900s to the present
day. The A2A programme will make a further 300,000 catalogue pages
available on the web by March 2004.
* * * * * *
Sarah J A Stark
Regional Liaison Co-Ordinator, A2A
Public Record Office
Kew
Richmond
Surrey TW9 4DU
Tel (direct line): 020 8392 5328
Fax: 020 8392 5319
Email: sarah.stark(a)pro.gov.uk
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cyfyngedig. Gorfodir y cau gan waith ail osod system nwy yn yr adeilad.
Ymddiheurwn am yr anghyfleustra.
Caernarfon Record Office will be closed for three weeks from the 27 February
to the 19 March inclusive. We shall reopen on Thursday the 20th of March
for a limited service. The closure is necessitated by construction work in
the building to replace the existing gas system. we apologise for any
inconvenience.
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Hello
Could you please forward the following to your list if you feel that it
is appropriate.
Many thanks
Best wishes
Kim
Hello Everyone
This email has been forwarded with the kind permission of the listowner
and is to let you all know that the UK Schools History website is
finally back on line. Some of you may remember the old site which went
down in 2001 and you will find that the new one will follow exactly the
same principals in that I will be collecting as many photographs as
possible of school buildings from around the UK and as much historical
information as possible to accompany them. The new site will differ
slightly to the old one in that I am now able to accept information
connected to a school even if you don't have a photograph available at
present. And this time you won't have to wait for a full page of
photographs to download to be able to view the ones that you are looking
for.
I'm sure with that if I receive half as much support as I did last time
then the new site will be a great success and hopefully a valuable
resource for everyone.
Please send any photographs/information that you have to
kim.bewick(a)ntlworld.com. And to view the site please follow the link
below.
Very Best wishes
Kim
http://chrisb.4ce.co.uk/schools_site/index.php
by by way of Malcolm Bebb <bebb@embetech.demon.co.uk>
Trying to trace family line of Harry Tudor (deceased late 1940s/50s Welshpool
Montgomeryshire. Owned Tudors Garage on Salop Road, Welshpool. Daughters
Mona and Marie born early 1920s in Welshpool. Fairs were held on their land
and he had a coach business.
Also family line of Alfred Jones born Welshpool 1876 had brother Charles and
Sydney.
Married Agnes Jane Fallows of Lilleshall, Shropshire and appears on the 1901
census living in Shrewsbury, St. Mary with two children, Frederick and May.
Later moved back to Welshpool, Sergeants Row and died 1925. Cannot find him
on the 1881 census, maybe someone has access to the 1891 and could do a look
up would be very grateful.
Rosie
by by way of Malcolm Bebb <bebb@embetech.demon.co.uk>
Trying to trace family line of Harry Tudor (deceased late 1940s/50s Welshpool
Montgomeryshire. Owned Tudors Garage on Salop Road, Welshpool. Daughters
Mona and Marie born early 1920s in Welshpool. Fairs were held on their land
and he had a coach business.
Also family line of Alfred Jones born Welshpool 1876 had brother Charles and
Sydney.
Married Agnes Jane Fallows of Lilleshall, Shropshire and appears on the 1901
census living in Shrewsbury, St. Mary with two children, Frederick and May.
Later moved back to Welshpool, Sergeants Row and died 1925. Cannot find him
on the 1881 census, maybe someone has access to the 1891 and could do a look
up would be very grateful.
Rosie
One of my Yorkshire ancestors, John Bilton CRAVEN (b. Leeds 1830) spent a
few years as Schoolmaster in Tregynon MGY. He had a daughter born at the
School House in April 1861, and I am expecting that the family will be there
in the 1861 Census, just 10 days earlier. However, I haven't been able to
find them on the census film at the Family Records Centre. Someone kindly
did a look-up for me in the Powys FHS indexes, but didn't find them either.
However, it seems that it's not just my family that's missing, but the whole
of Tregynon. According to the FRC indexes, the Sub-district of Tregynon is
in Piece RG9/4252, comprising Bettws, Tregynon, Llanwyddelan, Llanllugan and
Manafon, but while the other places appear to be there, there is no sign of
Tregynon itself. I've checked this on two separate occasions.
I'm quite happy to take this up with the PRO, but first I wondered if anyone
else had had this problem, or might know where Tregynon might be hiding.
Thanks for any help,
Arthur Kennedy
Hello everyone! does anyone have access to 1861 for a quick checkup for me? I wanted confirmation, if possible, that the ROBERTS family were living at Cwm Likay (cwm lleucu?) and the number of children they had then.
Richard ROBERTS aged approx 30 farmer
Hannah his wife approx 26
John and Robert - twins abt one year old
Any help very much appreciated! best regards Janis
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Hi List
Is there anyone might help me push back this EDWARDS family a little
further.
I have them in the 1881 census at Old Bry Glas Field Camping, Llanfair,
Caereinion, Montgomery, Wales
John EDWARDS, head, age 25 yrs, born: Town, Montgomery, Hawker.
Is there anyone with the 1861 or 71 census who might be able to locate them
or is are there any EDWARDS in Town, Montgomery in the 1851 census.
TIA
Bob KIRK
Dukinfield
Cheshire
Http://KirkSoft.co.uk
Hello All,
On top of my earlier plea regarding the RIMMERs, Could I also ask for help from sks with access to the 1851 Census. If possible, I would like to get the household list which included Harriet TROW who was born in 1849, I think in Llandysill.
Thanks in advance again,
Michael Ward
Clifton, Bedfordshire
Hello All,
This is my first foray into the Montgomeryshire List as I begin to extend the search for family connections on my wife's side. She is an EVANS with strong connections on the paternal side to the EVANS who were boot & shoemakers in Berriew in the late 1800s and on into the 1900s, and to the OWENS who were blacksmiths. At the present though I am working on the maternal side.
Please can anyone with access to the 1891 Census data help me with the Household in which William Herbert RIMMER lived, I believe in Welshpool. He was born there in 1886. I am trying to link back to his father John RIMMER and mother Kathleen.
Thanks in advance,
Michael Ward
Clifton, Bedfordshire
Michael,
1851 Census for Montgomeryshire (CD pub. by Powys FHS)
Parish of Llandyssil:
TROW, Maurice h m 40 ag lab MGY Kerry Cefn y Coed /f145/p6
TROW, Ann w m 41 MGY Llandyssil Cefn y Coed /f145/p6
TROW, Sarah d 9 MGY Kerry Cefn y Coed /f145/p6
TROW, William s 7 scholar MGY Kerry Cefn y Coed /f145/p6
TROW, Harriet d 4 MGY Kerry Cefn y Coed /f145/p6
TROW, Jane d 1 MGY Llandyssil Cefn y Coed /f145/p6
(This is right up the road from my cousin's farm, The Camp, where I always stay when visiting Wales.)
Sorry, I do not have the 1891 Census.
Regards,
Julie Preston
juliepreston(a)ameritech.net
or (please note the 'f')
juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net
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From: "Michael G Ward" <mgmjward(a)btinternet.com>
To: <WLS-MONTGOMERYSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:40 AM
Subject: !851 Census - TROW
> Hello All,
>
> On top of my earlier plea regarding the RIMMERs, Could I also ask for help from sks with access to the 1851 Census. If possible, I would like to get the household list which included Harriet TROW who was born in 1849, I think in Llandysill.
>
> Thanks in advance again,
>
> Michael Ward
> Clifton, Bedfordshire
>
Dear Listers,
I have just completed transcribing the latest (M) section of the
alphabetical gazetteer in Tallis's Topographical Dictionary of England
and Wales (published 1860) and have uploaded it onto my "Tallis" website
feature.
The 'M' section contains nearly 100 gazetteer entries, supplemented by
12 more-detailed descriptions including: Machynlleth (CGN), Margam
(GLA), Menai Bridge (AGY, CAE), Merthyr Tydfil (GLA), Milford Haven
(PEM), Monmouth (MON), and Montgomery (MGY).
The description of Merthyr Tydfil runs to 3,500 words and contains a
wonderfully graphic description of the sights, sounds, and operation of
the Dowlais Ironworks, including detailed explanations of the work of
puddlers, ballers, and so on.
You can access my transcript of Tallis's Topographical Dictionary at
http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/tallis/
Note that if you are subscribed to more than one Welsh mailing list you
may receive multiple postings of this message.
Kind regards,
John
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E-mail: wfha(a)clara.co.uk
Homepage: http://home.clara.net/wfha/
Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/
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Hi List,
Many of us are fortunate to have access to the 1901 Census fiches in our
locality (FHC/Library).
If only the on-line census index could be used to locate the fiche/ folio on
which "our family" is located we could make the task of locating "our
family" amongst all those fiches very easy.
I did a web search (and wrote to PRO, no reply) based on the above thinking
and finally reached GuessTimator4.01 from
http://LeedsIndexers.co.uk/Internet_Tools.html
The program is due to the combined efforts of a number of searchers gaining
from each others efforts. Thanks to them all.
Download and run the program, it will ask if you want to go on-line. A "yes"
will put you on-line to the 1901 screen where you do your search, you then
capture your data and come off-line. The display includes all details shown
on the 1901 screen plus those hidden (pageIDand personalID) together with
(you have guessed) all you need to know to enable you to go to the local
fiche/folio where your family has been hiding! Saving, sorting, deleting and
export of the csv file are offered as options.
( I have failed to make Get1901Data work on my system so I do not know if
it will perform the same service).
Ken (Nr.a sunny but cold Pinewood Studios)