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In a message dated 11/04/2002 22:42:21 GMT Daylight Time,
KeithByegones(a)aol.com writes:
> I put out a plea a few days ago for assistants for the purpose of
> transcribing the 1891 census from fiche supplied by the organisers of this
> project and the response has been abysmal to say the least so I am trying
> again! Please take a moment to read the following:
>
Hello Keith and list
I very much approve of the FreeCen project, and would like to do my bit
towards supporting it, but I am torn between two options.
I could volunteer to co-ordinate the transcriptions of Merionethshire — which
I would desperately like to see transcribed and end up with a response
similar to the one you had — abysmal :-) not enough volunteers to enable a
transcribing / checking / validating scheme to work
or
I could volunteer to help out with Montgomery, Cardigan, Radnor and /or
Brecon for the moment and hope that when those sparsely populated counties
were "done" the volunteers would all flock to the aid of Merioneth.
Mid Wales is poorly served on-line and in print because there are so few of
us to do the work. Either we all get disheartened and give up or we centre
our tasks on the more productive Shropshire, Carmarthenshire, Glamorganshire,
Caernarfonshire projects in the hope that our denser neighbours productivity
may eventually throw some crumbs under the table.
Could rural mid-Wales work as an unit on this project? Or are we doomed to
nothing, again, because of lack of support in each individual rural county?
Regards
Alwyn
I have had a good response to my plea for transcribers to the above project
but I have inadvertently deleted one letter from a kind lister/s who wished
to take part. Whoever it was (preference for Llanfyllin/Pennant areas) please
contact me again. You will know who you are as you won`t have received a
reply from me!
Keith Roberts.
Hi John,
I just wished to say a very big thankyou for providing the Tallis Gazeteer
maps. I enjoyed looking at the Montgomeryshire one and will await the T
section (for Trefeglywys) with interest. Thanks for sharing this wonderful
resource with us on the list.
Regards
Pat Milne
Western Australia
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Keith,
Forgive me for not jumping in earlier -- I've been on holiday and have just
returned. I'd like very much to participate in the transcribing of the 1891
Census for Montgomeryshire. My local library has a fiche reader and it's
very close to home. Please send me the necessary fiche to transcribe and
the software required.
My address is:
Julie Preston
400 Hillview Lane
Rochester Hills, Michigan 48306
USA
Julie Preston
juliepreston(a)ameritech.net
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From: <KeithByegones(a)aol.com>
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Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:40 PM
Subject: FreeCen 1891
Hello folks,
I put out a plea a few days ago for assistants for the purpose of
transcribing the 1891 census from fiche supplied by the organisers of this
project and the response has been abysmal to say the least so I am trying
again! Please take a moment to read the following:
Copy:
I have taken on the task of co-ordinator for the Montgomeryshire
transcriptions of the 1891 census and now I am looking to recruit a number
of
transcribers who will assist me in getting cracking on this relatively small
County. There are no global restrictions, no cost to you and all thats
required is a little of your spare time.
³The Free Census project aims to transcribe ALL the UK 19th century census
returns to create an online `free-to-view` database. The Montgomeryshire
project is part of this great effort and is starting by transcribing the
1891 returns for the County
All you need to take part is a computer and access to a microfiche reader.
We supply everything else including the microfiche and the software. This
project is a global online venture designed for ordinary family historians
wherever they are, who would like to make a contribution to our great hobby.
If, like us, you believe this information should be freely available and
available for free, please drop me a line at KeithByegones(a)aol.com
If you would like to learn more about this project please go to
http://freecen.rootsweb.com which will explain all.
Thanks, Keith Roberts.
Hello folks,
I put out a plea a few days ago for assistants for the purpose of
transcribing the 1891 census from fiche supplied by the organisers of this
project and the response has been abysmal to say the least so I am trying
again! Please take a moment to read the following:
Copy:
I have taken on the task of co-ordinator for the Montgomeryshire
transcriptions of the 1891 census and now I am looking to recruit a number of
transcribers who will assist me in getting cracking on this relatively small
County. There are no global restrictions, no cost to you and all thats
required is a little of your spare time.
³The Free Census project aims to transcribe ALL the UK 19th century census
returns to create an online `free-to-view` database. The Montgomeryshire
project is part of this great effort and is starting by transcribing the
1891 returns for the County
All you need to take part is a computer and access to a microfiche reader.
We supply everything else including the microfiche and the software. This
project is a global online venture designed for ordinary family historians
wherever they are, who would like to make a contribution to our great hobby.
If, like us, you believe this information should be freely available and
available for free, please drop me a line at KeithByegones(a)aol.com
If you would like to learn more about this project please go to
http://freecen.rootsweb.com which will explain all.
Thanks, Keith Roberts.
Hello Listers
We have had quite a problem trying to trace and find out more about my wifes mothers family. Being named JONES and living on the Montgomery/ Shropshire border has not helped. I thought by listing a 1891 census entry we have of the family, perhaps someone may see a connection or have some information .
1891 census Montgomery
Pentrenant, Churchstoke
Charles JONES H aged 31 farm lab born Newcastle, Shrops
Bessie wife aged 36 born , Clun
Albert son 10 born Churchstoke
Charles 6 .......
George 4 .......
Elizabeth dau 1 .......
Bessie was Sarah Elizabeth CHEESE born in Clun in 1856
Albert was my wifes grandfather and was Edward Albert Jones born 25 Jan 1881 at Pentre cottage , Aston. Churchstoke.
Any information gratefully received.
Thanks, Dave
There are a number of men with the name of Athelustan SAVAGE on the IGI.
It's a reasonable assumption that they are all related. I think one of them
could be the parent of my ancestor, Andrew SAVAGE, born circa 1781 in
Montgomeryshire.
I should be pleased to hear from anyone with knowledge of/links to this
family.
Thanks from Pauline
Hi everyone,
Morgan Parry my 3 x great grandfather appeared on the 1851 Montgomeryshire
Census age 37, living at Llyndu, Llangurig with his wife Margaret and
children, Mary Ann, 11 and Jane, 1. I am hoping that someone may have
access to the 1841 Census for Llangurig and could look up Morgan for me. It
is likely that his wife was then a Mary Ann and not Margaret.
I would be very grateful for help with this.
Regards,
Margaret Harvey
Dear Listers,
I recently acquired the six-volume set of "Tallis's Topographical
Dictionary of England and Wales", published in 1860. I am gradually
compiling and uploading onto my website a complete transcription of the
Wales sections of this priceless reference work, including detailed maps
of each of the thirteen Welsh counties, based on surveys undertaken
circa 1850.
Rather than wait until the entire transcription is finished, I've
decided to make this new feature available now, in its incomplete form.
All the maps are on-line, but to date, only the A and B sections of the
alphabetical gazetteer have been uploaded. The rest of the gazetteer
will be uploaded in stages over the next 12 months or so, as the
transcription of each set of entries is completed.
You can access this new feature on my website at
http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/tallis/
I would be interested to receive feedback from you about the content and
the presentation of the Tallis feature.
I have circulated this notice to all the mailing lists to which I am
subscribed, which means that unfortunately some of you will receive
multiple copies of my message.
Kind regards,
John
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E-mail: wfha(a)clara.co.uk
Welsh Family History Archive (WFHA):
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Hello listers,
I will presume that you will all by now have heard of the ongoing Free Census
project.
If not, please go to http://freecen.rootsweb.com which will explain all.
I have taken on the task of co-ordinator for the Montgomeryshire
transcriptions of the 1891 census and now I am looking to recruit a number of
transcribers who will assist me in getting cracking on this relatively small
County. There are no global restrictions, no cost to you and all thats
required is a little of your spare time.
³The Free Census project aims to transcribe ALL the UK 19th century census
returns to create an online `free-to-view` database. The Montgomeryshire
project is part of this great effort and is starting by transcribing the
1891 returns for the County
All you need to take part is a computer and access to a microfiche reader.
We supply everything else including the microfiche and the software. This
project is a global online venture designed for ordinary family historians
wherever they are, who would like to make a contribution to our great hobby.
If, like us, you believe this information should be freely available and
available for free, please drop me a line at KeithByegones(a)aol.com
Thank you in anticipation.
Keith Roberts.
Searching for John BENNETT b about 1819 and Margaret HUGHES b about 1818
both from Montgomeryshire.
Married about 1846/50
Found on the 1871 census living in Birkenhead.
Daughter Jane born 1850 but don't know about earlier children
Thanks
Dot
Any information sought about these families in Llandogo
Young
Montgomery
Parry
Hopkins
Many thanks
Charles
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Please note Catharine is with an A rather than the usual e. Catharine Lewis's father was Lewis Rowland Catharine was born Machynlleth, Mont. Can anyone help or at least tell me where Machynlleth is in Mont.
Marian Hassett
Hello everyone,
I'm trying to trace descendants of Nathaniel Walters, born about 1816 in Aberystwyth, Wales. He moved to the Newtown area, (Kerry) and married Mary Anne Hamer in 1839.
Their children born at Kerry were George in 1840, then John in 1843. Montgomery township next, for the birth of Emma in 1845. The family then moved to Shropshire, to Wombridge near Wellington where Walter was born in 1850. There were possibly more children born at Wombridge after Walter.
Later, Nathaniel moved back to the Newtown area and died in 1899. Of Mary Anne, I don't yet known when and where she died.
*George married Jane ? in 18?? and by 1881 they had 4 children and had only just moved to Penarth from Llangerrig, Montgomery, Wales, just in time for the 1881 Census. Children were Thomas, Adelaide, Richard and Ellen. By 1891 Census they had moved on, unknown.
*John married Sarah Carter in 1873 and they also moved to Penarth from Llanidloes with their 3 children, just in time for the 1881 Census. Children were Alfred, John and Frank. By 1891 Census they had moved on, unknown.
*Emma married William Parry Marshall in 1865. By the 1881 Census, they had 3 children, all born in the town of Montgomery, Montgomery, Wales where William Parry Marshall was a Druggist and Post Master. Children were William, Emma and Lawton.
*Walter married Charlotte Margaret Hart at Llanidloes in 1876. At Newtown, Montgomery, 2 children were born, Gilbert Hart in 1878, then Edith Florence in 1881, then the family moved to Kington, Herefordshire for Isabell Evelyn in 1888, Walter Ernest in 1890 and Reginald in 1894. Evelyn married Harry Lewis Beddoes in 1917 at Kington. 3 children were born, William Ernest, Barbara Evelyn and Brenda Margaret.
Can anyone help with the descendants of any of these people? Any help gratefully received.
Peter
sretlaw(a)austarnet.com.au
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Any information sought about these familes in Llandogo
Young
Montgomery
Parry
Hopkins
Many thanks
Charles
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Hi,
In the Occupations booklet of the Federaion of FHS there is an entry for
"Tawer". It is a "dresser of white leather".
The dictionary definition of "taw" is a verb to make hide into leather
without the use of tannin. A taw is also a large marble but it is unlikely
to be that. A draper is a retailer of textile fabrics.
Regards,
Margaret Harvey
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From: "Chrissie Malvern" <daffodil(a)webtribe.net>
To: <WLS-MONTGOMERYSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:31 AM
Subject: Marriage bonds
> Hi all, hope you had a good Easter.
> I found the following on a search of Isis-Web marriage bonds:"BRYAN John,
> bach., taw -draper, Llanfyllin, MGY. 1774, Dec 22. At Llanfyllin. Frances
> Sims. A,B. 86/111." Does anyone know what a taw-draper is/was? And does
SKS
> have access to the Llanfyllin parish records to look up whether the
> marriage actually took place? I'm hoping this couple may have been my
> ggg-grandparents, as I think gg-granddad John BRYAN was born in Llanfyllin
> in 1776.
>
>
Andrew SAVAGE ( a blacksmith) was born somewhere in Montgomeryshire circa 1781/82. He married Martha BOTTEREL in Kerry on 3rd October 1808. Martha was born in Cloddie in 1785. She was the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth. For a while, Andrew and Martha Savage lived in Llivior.
The IGI has an Andrew Savage (son of Athelustan and Elizabeth) christened at Llanfaircaerein on 10th May 1781. This could be my Andrew.
Neither Savage nor Botterel is a Welsh surname, so does anyone know when and where these two clans originally settled in Wales?
Where are the following places? Cloddie, Pully, Llivior.
Thanks from Pauline
Hi all, hope you had a good Easter.
I found the following on a search of Isis-Web marriage bonds:"BRYAN John,
bach., taw -draper, Llanfyllin, MGY. 1774, Dec 22. At Llanfyllin. Frances
Sims. A,B. 86/111." Does anyone know what a taw-draper is/was? And does SKS
have access to the Llanfyllin parish records to look up whether the
marriage actually took place? I'm hoping this couple may have been my
ggg-grandparents, as I think gg-granddad John BRYAN was born in Llanfyllin
in 1776.
I received my quotation from the PRO this morning for 1901 census fiche and
must say that I was pleasantly suprised at the value for money I shall be
getting. I ordered fiche for the particular areas I am interested in, namely,
Llanyblodwel(which includes a couple of the next villages), Llansantfraidd
(ditto), Newport etc, and Criccieth/Llanystumdwy CAE, a total of 15 fiches
which constitutes a lot of pages of census. Cost is £2.60 per fiche plus
postage of £4.73, total cost £43.73. They have promised delivery in 4-6
weeks.
To view same records for my Shropshire interests at Shrewsbury would cost me
approx £25.00 in fuel for the journey and the same to get to Aberystwyth for
the Welsh parishes and I doubt very much whether I would get through those
records in one visit.
I have no idea how much it will cost to view those same records on line but I
am pretty certain that when it does eventually happen it will be very much in
excess of the cost of my fiche from PRO, So, for me, this is the way
forward. Easy to locate and order on line, reasonably priced, and they are
mine to pleasurably view in my own time and also a good tool for those look
ups that I enjoy helping out with.
The same also applies to all you folk across the water except that the
postage costs will be a little more.
Looking forward to overheating my fiche reader!!
Keith Roberts