Subject: Re: [MER] re Llandderfel
Hi Graham, David, & Trevor,
Cadwst seems to be more of a hamlet than a farm and 'old-maps' seems to
show it as two clusters on either side of the river Clochnant as well as
Oron and the two Blaen-y-dre-uchaf and -isaf within 200 yards. It also
shows the name 'Hen felin' at about SJ033363, just west of Garthiân & the
river Ceidiog, and just north of Pentre. Strangely, a weir is shown just
downstream at about SJ033364.
Does anyone know the meaning of 'Nurse Gron' at SJ036349, the circular
feature at an elevation of 1050feet - called 'Nurse Cadwst' on
'old-maps'?
Is it an enclosure of some type?
I wonder if 'Blaen-y-dre' refers to the end of a 'town' or township of
Cadwst. It seems to lie at the foot of the bridlepath leading over the
Berwyns to Llanrhaeadr-ym-Mochnant and Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog. Perhaps
this was the way my Thomas (1729-1799) & Mary Francis travelled to
Proseuthydd, Llangar, around 1768, but surely not in January when daughter
Margaret was baptized. It's hard to imagine the circumstances of such a
trip, perhaps driving cattle to market?
Do you recall seeing any FRANCISs during your searches around Llandderfel.
I am still wondering what happened to the rest of my family born at Blaen
Gwnnodl, less than 2 miles north-east of your folks at Cistfaen.
Mary dau. of Thomas (1769-1820+) & Jane Francis, bap. 1 Dec 1811 at Llangar,
Anne dau. of Thomas & Jane Francis, bap. 19 Aug 1814 at Llangar,
Jeremiah son of Thomas & Jane Francis, bap. 23 Aug 1818 at Llangar.
John son of Thomas & Jane Francis, bap. 22 Oct 1797 at Llanrhaeadr ym Mochnant.
best wishes to all, Tony in White Rock, BC.
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From: "Graham & Lesley Jones"
<graham.lesley(a)tesco.net>
Subject: Re: [MER] re Llandderfel
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 08:38:09 -0000
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Hello David,
From the 'original Graham'.
My query seems to have started quite a correspondence.
Re Maesod & Evans.
Further searches in 1851 suggest some form of 'family problem'
for the Evans family (once again, thanks to Doreen & John):
Maesod 1841:
Husband & wife: John Evans,25, Ag Lab. and Ann Evans,25
Children: Ann Evans,7, John Evans,6, Robert Evans,3,
Catherine Evans,2, Elizabeth Evans,6 mths.
(assuming the child Ann is correct, she is my 2G grandmother)
By 1851 the family seemed to have split:
No record of Parents John & Ann.
Children: Ann Evanes (spelled with extar E) (17), working as house servant
at Cwm Cottage (Llandderfel) in the household of Mrs Anne Chadwick.
John Evans (18): servant & farm labourer at Pen Y Bryn, Llandderfel.
Elizabeth Evans (10!) house servant in >household of Thomas Jones (Ag Lab!)
of Eglwysan, Llandderfel.
The rest of the family are (as yet) untraced.
Graham.
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>Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:06 PM
>Subject: Re: [MER] re Llandderfel
> Thanks once again, Doreen & John in Canada!
> Looks like old Edward and Margaret WILLIAMS at Cistfaen/Gistfaen are good
> candidates for being a set of my ggggrandparents. This also gives me a
> connection with Denbighshire for the first time.
> I wonder what, precisely, the place is named after.
> A cistfaen is an ancient stone coffin/sepulchre/burial chamber.
> I noted when I visted the area last January that what I took to be
> the current farmhouse, Cistfaen, is a neat Georgian two-storey cottage,
> very typical throughout Wales, quite high up a mountain but nestled
> in front of a rocky outcrop that formed part of a yet higher ridge.
> I presume there must be some ancient site thereabouts.
>
> Sounds like our colleague Graham's EVANS ancestors, whom he said were at
> Maesod in 1841, must have moved out by 1851 (unless Catherine had been an
> EVANS). Big gap in the ages of the children at Maesod and imagine having a
> new baby at 45!
> David
> Canberra