Ken
I have Edward Roberts (b1873) whose marriage certificate gave his address
as "Parc, Denbigh."
I could never find that but did of course find Parc, Lanycil.
Since he was a gamekeeper, I wonder about your suggestion that "Parc" could
refer to an estate, the writer having omitted the "Y" which would have made
some sense.
David Roberts
On 24 September 2013 19:41, Ken Richards <ken.j.richards(a)sympatico.ca>wrote:
Jane and Peter,
This is a geographic conundrum! Parc and Sarnau are two different
places in the Penllyn area, but the original question suggests that
the two are associated with one another - Parc, Sarnau,
Merioinethshire. The settlement of Parc is located a few miles SW of
Bala and Sarnau about the same number miles to the North East.
There is perhaps another interpretation.
A search of place names in the Parc area did not result in the word
Sarnau being found in the near vicinity. Previous work on a similar
problem on this site suggests that place names around Parc have
remained unchanged or slightly modified in the area since the 19th
century. Parc is also a unique name associated with protected land on
large estates. If I recall correctly, the local expression for "Parc"
is 'Y Parc" - which includes the definite article for emphasis = "The
Park." The parish is Llanycil.
Is there a "Parc" near Sarnau? A search of the area a few years ago
turned up Parc y Derwgoed (OS Reference SH986 782) which is about a
mile of east of Cefn Ddwysarn (Cefn Ddwysarn and Sarnau are
neighbouring communities). This is a meeting place of local roads and
trackways that are quite ancient in origin. Parc y Derwgoed (rough
translation - Oakwood Park) may have been associated with one of the
large estates in the area - Rhiwlas and Pale come to mind.
I would also consider a search associated with Parc y Derwgoed in the
two parishes of Llanfor and Llandderfel.
Ken Richards
On Sep 24, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Peter Evans wrote:
> Jane,
>
>>> My ancestor who emigrated to New York from Parc, Sarnau,
>>> Merionethshire
> signed his name William En Phillips.
>
> A place in that format may follow the format Place, Township, County.
>
> Certainly the county is Merionethshire. There is also a place Parc
> in the
> parish
> of Llanycil. It is near the south end of Llyn Tegid.
>
> So does Sarnau fit the format and is a township?
>
> Looking through the book 'History of Merioneth' volume 2 :-
> Appendix 2 which
> lists
> parishes and townships.
>
> Sarnau is not listed as a township in the whole of Merionethshire.
>
> However the place Sarnau is mentioned in the publication 'Memorial
> Inscriptions
> of the Church of St. Deiniol Llanfor, Bala, Parish of Llanfor,
> Meirionnydd,
> Wales' by
> the Gwynedd Family History Society.
>
> For example, the place Pen-y-bryn, Sarnau. For example, the place Rhyd
> Ellis, Sarnau.
> For example, the place Ty'n y ffridd, Sarnau.
>
> You mentioned Ismynydd. This is a farm between Bala and Llyn Celyn
> to the
> north west.
>
> Regarding the abbreviation E superscript n. Two names come to mind
> for this
> period: 1) Evan 2) Enoch.
>
> I would think Evan is highly likely.
>
> I have tried to find the birth/baptism of John Phillips who was
> known as
> the poet Tegidon. I haven't found a source given to his birth
> although many
> references give the date. (His father was Philip Jones.) Apparently
> he was
> born in Bala on 12 Apr 1810. I haven't found him in the Llanycil or
> Llanfor
> baptism registers. (His mother was Grace Evans, a relative of mine.)
>
> So it seems there are a few Philips families in the area, your
> efforts in
> sorting them out may help me.
>
> Regards,
> Peter Evans
>
>
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