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From: wls-merionethshire-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:wls-
merionethshire-bounces(a)rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane
Sent: 10 October 2009 7:25 PM
To: wls-merionethshire(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [MER] Patronmic naming system (William Cawalader William)
Pardon me for jumping into the discussion of William Cawalader William,
but something that Ian Thompson wrote caught my eye and made me wonder
about an a Welsh ancestor of mine.
He wrote, "At this time in Wales, people rarely took a middle name as
such and middle names are, in fact, a reflection of a patronymic naming
culture."
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This started me wondering about a Welsh ancestor on mine who went by
the name William En Phillips. It was always just that, never a middle
name. On his death certificate his parents were William Phillips and
Sarah. I have, with help, found a possible lineage for William that
might fit with this En and would like to have others opinion on it.
The lineage follows:
a.. Phylip Evan and Elizabeth of Ty Cerrig ucha, Llanycil - had:
b.. Evan Philipp bp. 20 Feb 1734, Ty Cerrig, Llanycil, married
Catherine Williams - had:
c.. William Evan, bp. 28 Apr 1772, Ismynydd, Llanycil, died 1841,
Hendre Mawr, Llanycil, buried in Llanycil from Hendre Mawr (on the
Llanycil/Llanfor border under the name William Phillips. He married
Sarah Roberts
possibly had three children, one of them:
a.. William En Phillips, born cal. 6 Jan 1810, d: 7 Dec 1886, age 76y
11m 1d in Oneida County, New York, immigrated to New York 1837
?? Could William En Phillips fit into this lineage?
?? Could the En stand for Evan perhaps?
?? Could he have gone by William William in a marriage to Margaret
Davies? (Right bride, right timing, right location, one right witness,
Robert Phillip) William En had a brother Robert (obit)
Any thoughts on this would be very appreciated.
Regards,
Jane
[|] As an example, my gg grandfather's name was John Jones (John son of
John). His father's name was John Richard (John, son of Richard), and he
quoted a middle name of Griffith at the birth of one of his children. From
this I was able to deduce and prove that John Richard was, in fact, the
illegitimate son of Richard Griffith. So the middle name if present will
prove not that the man was illegitimate, but will often be the grandfather's
given name.
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Chris Jones