Hve you checked St Asaph marriage bonds? All the indexes and this at the LLGC should be
seen as complimentary (coverage, even with all 3 not being 100%). Apart from that, could
they have married elsewhere? Are there any clues from childrens' birthplaces?
Yours,
Ian
From: carolthomas2(a)googlemail.com
To: wls-merionethshire(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:35:37 +0000
Subject: Re: [MER] Humphrey and Catherine Ellis
Hi Maggi
No, I haven't - the 1841 census is missing for Bersham and Esclusham Above
and Below, so I can't check if they were in the locality at that time.
Robert was born in the area (baptised Wrexham 13 March 1814). Margaret was a
bit inconsistent about her place and date of birth (ranges from 1816 to
1823), but Maentwrog featured more often than anywhere else. I couldn't
find their marriage locally so, I had a search done on the North Wales
Marriage Index for a marriage between 1830 and 1850 just in case they
married elsewhere, but there was no sign of that either. And I can't find
the marriage on North Wales BMD or FreeBMD (at least post 1837). From the
censuses, Mary appears to be their youngest child, born c1841.
So I was hoping to find something about Margaret's mother's origins, having
drawn a temporary blank with Margaret herself.
Thanks for your suggestion.
Best wishes
Carol
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 01 March 2010 06:38
To: wls-merionethshire(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [MER] Humphrey and Catherine Ellis
Hello Carol
Have you found Robert and Margaret on the 1841 census?
Regards
Maggi (Blythin)
-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Thomas <carolthomas2(a)googlemail.com>
To: WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:21
Subject: [MER] Humphrey and Catherine Ellis
Hello, I am new to this list and hope that someone can help me. My family
history is centred around the Coedpoeth/Minera area, but my gggrandmother
was Margaret Jones, who was born c1822 in either Maentwrog (1851 and 1861
censuses) or Hafod Offeiriad (1871) or Corwen (1881). She married Robert
Rogers, who was a lead miner in Minera, but I haven't been able to find the
marriage which would have been about 1840. She had her widowed mother
living with her in Coedpoeth/Bersham (nr Wrexham) in the 1871 and 1881
censuses. Her mother was named Catherine Ellis on these censuses, which
puzzled me as Margaret's maiden name was Jones, according to her daughter's
birth certificate. I guessed that Catherine must have been widowed and
remarried to someone called Ellis. She gives her place of birth as Tafarn
Helyg (1871 census) and Corwen (1881). I have recently obtained
Catherine's death certificate - date of death 6 August 1884. It turns out
that she was the widow of a farmer named Humphrey Ellis. I think I might
have found her as Catherine Ellis, widow, in Ffestiniog in the 1861 census,
although it is difficult to be certain as it's a common enough name. I have
found various mentions of the name Humphrey Ellis around the Maentwrog area
on the net, and am aware that he might also be known as Ellis Humphrey. Does
anyone have any ideas on how I might find out more about Catherine's
origins?
Best wishes
Carol
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