Tricky. Surely Abergele or Denbighshire are the places to start? Abergele appears twice
- as enumerators were English (usually) they may not have the fluency or inclination to
record "odd" place names correctly. I can imagine the conversation:
"Abergele? Where's that? Near Denbigh. Okay. Denbigh, Denbighshire it
is!"
The difficulty in making too much of a leap from the information you have is that
1) There is no guarantee that the father was alive at the time of marriage (although he
would usually have been described as deceased, this was not always the case.)
2) There is no guarantee that the father maintained his occupation as schoolmaster - they
were notoriously poorly paid in smaller schools and so might have had another job or
jobs.
3) There is no guarantee that the father was in the country, even if alive. Emigration
was commoner than I used to think.
4) I wouldn't make too much of the witness in terms of going back, as she is just as
likely to be unrelated as related!
I have had a quick look at the National Library and PCC wills websites as well as
a2a.org.uk. Other searchable online resources are Gwynedd and Denbigh Record Offices
(both worth contacting). Bangor Archives doesn't yet have a searchable web interface
but is worth contacting also as they have a card index.
The National Library website and even Welsh Biography Online might be useful. I
haven't seen anything in a brief search.
The Mormon IGI gives 4 or so Williams son of Robert baptised in 1817-19 - in Marchwiel (nr
Wrexham), Llangadwalader (?), Henllan (between Denbigh and Abergele) and Eglwysfach (nr
Colwyn Bay... close to Abergele). The index doesn't include church baptisms - only
member submissions and chapel records.
I would imagine, the Clwyd mailing list might be the best place to start initially. But
make a note of the schoolmaster you have found for later. You could even try to find his
will to see if there is a record of a son William in Liverpool.
The period of the generation or so before civil registration is one of the
"hurdles" we all have to face and sometimes, as in some of my lines of enquiry,
the evidence of a connection never arises.
Yours,
Ian
From: derpal(a)btinternet.com
To: wls-merionethshire(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:29:02 +0100
Subject: [MER] william roberts 1842 marriage
William Roberts married Catherine Callingham Whitechapel London 1842.
Father Robert Roberts school teacher.
The only Robert Roberts schoolteacher I have found was in Dollgelly North Wales 1841
& 1851 census, I have been unable to trace any others
in England or Wales so far in the census Robert was living with his wife Margaret
Roberts, one of the witnesses was a Margaret Williams, could she be his sister? In the
census for England William Roberts gives his birth place as follows
1851 head 34years Wales
1861 head44years abergelly Flintshire
1871 living with eldest son53 years North Wales Abergele
1881 living with his youngest son 64 years Denbigh Denbighshire
1891 head age 73 Wales died in 1899 Liverpool. allabove census were in Liverpool
I cant find his Birth place as the places of origin change with each census returns!!!!
If Margaret Williams was his sister married to a Williams in Dollgelly I might stand a
chance to confirm this is my Robert Roberts?
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