I would search for Griffith and Griffiths as a surname as I have found the spellings to be
inconsistent - but most helpful will be the marriage certificate. I wouldn't put too
much stock on the later child's mother being "M Griffiths" as there is ample
opportunity for a 2nd marriage in 20 years.Yours,Ian
From: ls.templeton(a)shaw.ca
To: wls-merionethshire(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 05:56:43 -0600
Subject: Re: [MER] Jane Ellen Griffiths
Correction: William Griffiths was born in 1881. (Jane in 1877 and Sarah in
1894)
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[mailto:wls-merionethshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ken Richards
Sent: July-10-12 9:25 PM
To: wls-merionethshire(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [MER] Jane Ellen Griffiths
To clarify things. Is it Jane Ellen Griffiths or Jane Ellen Griffith?
I checked Free BMD for the former without success in Caernarfon, but found
the following under Griffith:
December 1877
Jane Ellen Griffith Carnarvon 11b 479
The difference between a Griffith with an 's' at the end and without
resulted in different results when i searched for Jane Ellen Griffith in the
1881 census (Ancestry version). Following your thought, the closest result
to Maentwrog that I found was a household in Penmorfa, Caernarvonshire, but
the Jane Ellen there was aged 6, unfortunately.
Penmorfa is a short distance north west of Porthmadog.
The difference in the ages between Jane Ellen and that of her siblings
(William and Sarah) is also an interesting line of inquiry.
There's quite a gap between 1877 and 1891/1894. You might consider searches
for William and Sarah in the census for 1901 under Griffith and Griffiths.
The results differ under the two search parameters, so its worth a try.
Having said that, the birth registration for Jane Ellen is the best course
at this point, as advised already.
Ken Richards
On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Larry Templeton wrote:
> For some reason I think that Jane was born around the area of
> Maentwrog. Her first husband, Lewis William Lewis lived near/at Rhes
> Groes Clwt Y Bont, Llanddeiniolen according to an 1871 census (he was
> about 4 at that time).
> When Jane's brother, William Griffiths came to Canada in 1929,
> documents say his mom, Mrs. M. Griffiths lived at Penlan, Maentrwog,
> N Wales.
> William's
> birthplace is listed as Maentrwog. I have access to findmypast.co.uk
> Your help is appreciated.
> Margo
>
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> From: wls-merionethshire-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> [mailto:wls-merionethshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ken
> Richards
> Sent: July-10-12 6:46 PM
> To: wls-merionethshire(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [MER] Jane Ellen Griffiths
>
>
> I had a quick look for Jane Ellen Griffiths in the 1881 census
> recognizing that the main area of discussion so far has focused
> Llanddeiniolen because of references to Clwt y Bont and Ebenezer.
> This is a complex area in terms of population distribution because of
> the slate quarries and wondered if the following might fit the bill:
>
> Jane Ellenor Griffiths, aged 4. d/o John (45) and Ellenor (29)
> Griffiths.
> They lived in the Parish of Llanllechid, specifically at High Street,
> Bethesda. Jane Ellenor was born in Bethesda and her parents in Bangor.
> John Griffiths' occupation - slate quarry labourer.
>
> This is not specifically in Llanddeiniolen but in the general
> vicinity.
>
> Ken Richards
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2012, at 11:05 AM, I Thompson wrote:
>
>>
>> I would start with the marriage as that gives the father's name and
>> then you can cross-check with the census on Ancestry for a place of
>> birth. There was one intersting couple in Glamorgan in 1891 with
>> children born in Llanddeniolen (mistranscribed as Llandeniden on one
>> occasion) but that was only one of about 6 potential matches!
>> Ddeiniolen fits with a miner son as it contains quarries, as Angharad
>> said.Yours,Ian
>>> From: ls.templeton(a)shaw.ca
>>> To: wls-merionethshire(a)rootsweb.com
>>> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 06:09:01 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [MER] Jane Ellen Griffiths
>>>
>>> We will order the certificates as soon as we can. We needed to be
>>> sure we were headed in the right direction before we ordered them.
>>> We know that there was a John Lewis b.1893 to Lewis William Lewis
>>> and the first wife near Llandeiniolen. I can find him living with
>>> his grandmother Elizabeth Lewis b.
>>> 1844, in the 1901 census (32, New Street, Llandeiniolen, Ebenezer.
>>> This
>>> step-son came to Canada in 1908. There is a Miss Margaret Hughes,
>>> Preswylfa, Ebenezer, Caernarvonshire, mentioned in John's Canadian
>>> Service Records.
>>> Thank you for your assistance.
>>> Margo
>>>
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>>> From: wls-merionethshire-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
>>> [mailto:wls-merionethshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of I
>>> Thompson
>>> Sent: July-10-12 3:30 AM
>>> To: wls-merionethshire(a)rootsweb.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MER] Jane Ellen Griffiths
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Margo,Do you have names for the parents from birth and marriage
>>> certificate? This is essential if you are going to research the
>>> right family! I just had a look at
Ancestry.com and there are 5-6
>>> likely matches in 1881 and 1891 but you really do need all that
>>> information before starting, unless you have a name like Ezekiel
>>> amongst them!Tan-y- Ffordd is a very common placename but there is a
>>> Clwt Y Bont in Llandeiniolen,
>>> 5 miles
>>> East of Caernarfon. There is a Tan y Ffordd there (like so many
>>> other places!).Yours,Ian
>>>> Looking for parents of Jane Ellen Griffiths b. June 1877
>>>> registered
>>>> 2Q 1877 Carnarvon, Carnarvonshire; siblings William Griffiths b.
>>>> 1891
>>>> (occupation miner), Sarah Griffiths b. 1894. Two more sisters -
>>>> names and
>>> dates unknown.
>>>> Jane married Lewis William Lewis b. 1867 Carnarvon (his second
>>>> marriage)
>>> m.
>>>> 1905, he d. 1908. Child William Richard Lewis b. 1905. Jane left
>>>> Wales in
>>>> 1908 for Kansas, m. William Henry Jones, moved to Canada in 1918,
>>>> d.
>>>> 1963.
>>>> Have pictures of Penlan Cottage, Maentwrog 1928. States she had
>>>> family in Tan-y-ffordd, Clwt-y-bont on passenger manifest. Any help
>>>> would be appreciated. Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Margo
>>>
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