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Rhyddarch is a name of a person and could also be a surname.
sp usually means spinster, is Fabiern bach the abode?
Dathin could well be Gethin.
Just a few ideas
patricia
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> I'm doing some transcriptions from the early 1800's Llanenddwyn Baptisms
> and Burials (Parish Registers). I have a few questions and would
> appreciate some suggestions.
>
> 1) Burials 1802: Ann Griffith "fabiern (sp?) bach". Does this mean an
> infant or small child?
>
> 2) Catharine "Rhyddarch" widow. I looked on the 1841 census thinking that
> Rhyddarch could be an abode, but then Catharine would only have a first
> name. Ancestry.com says that on the 1891 census there were persons with
> the Rhyddarch surname in Carmarthenshire and Monmouthshire. Do you think I
> can assume that Catharine's surname was indeed Rhyddarch?
>
> 3) Baptisms 1803: "Dathin" William son of Griffith Williams and Lowry his
> wife April 2, 1803. Dathin doesn't make sense but just can't figure out
> what the first part of the word is.
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> Thanks for any help.
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I'm doing some transcriptions from the early 1800's Llanenddwyn Baptisms and Burials (Parish Registers). I have a few questions and would appreciate some suggestions.
1) Burials 1802: Ann Griffith "fabiern (sp?) bach". Does this mean an infant or small child?
2) Catharine "Rhyddarch" widow. I looked on the 1841 census thinking that Rhyddarch could be an abode, but then Catharine would only have a first name. Ancestry.com says that on the 1891 census there were persons with the Rhyddarch surname in Carmarthenshire and Monmouthshire. Do you think I can assume that Catharine's surname was indeed Rhyddarch?
3) Baptisms 1803: "Dathin" William son of Griffith Williams and Lowry his wife April 2, 1803. Dathin doesn't make sense but just can't figure out what the first part of the word is.
Thanks for any help.
Kay Gavin
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Hedd Wyn was my Nain's brother. There seems to be quite a lot of info about my family in various threads on this site. I would be interested to hear if/how you might be related.
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I am hoping someone on the list can help me with some Welsh words that are on a list of parishioners of the Welsh Congregational Church of Racine, WI in early 1850's.
There are 5 columns at the top (feel free to correct the spelling):
1) Enwau yr Aelodau
2) pa fodd y derbymiwyd
3) Pa Brud
4) gullwng ymaith
5) Nodiad
Under 2) trwy lythur and trwy broffes
Under 3) Hye 4th 1849
Under 4) ymadel
Hope this makes sense. Thanks for any help that anyone can provide.
Kay Gavin
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In response to Jane's request re T Ceiri Griffith sbok : "Achau rhai o deuluoedd Caernarfon Meirionnydd a Threfaldwyn" 2003 Author and Publisher T Ceiri Griffith, Gaerddu Fawr, Chwilog Pwllheli, Gwynedd, £25.00
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Dear Gareth
You have been a great help to Felicity and wonder if there is any chance you
may be able to help me.
I have Catherine EVANS b. 1841. Her family hailed from Llanystumdwy and a
descendant of the lloyds of Cwmbychan in Ardudwy and related to Rev John
Lloyd 1733-1793.
Her parents were William Evans b.abt 1821 and Lowri EDWARDS b. abt 1823.
Lowri's parents were Robert Francis EDWARDS of Dyrnoga Mawr, Talsarnau and
Sara ?of Tyddyn Du, Penmachno.
Can you tell me more about Ceiri Griffiths Book please.
Any assistance is appreciated.
Jane
Bournemouth
>
> Dear Felicitity,
> I think that you will find that your family goes back to the Cwm Bychan
> family throgh Evan Evans, Hedd Wyn's father. His father was Lewis Evans
> was the son of Evan Williams and Sarah Lewis. Sarah was Evan's second
> wife. His first was the Margaret Roberts you referred to. Sara was the
> daughter of Lewis Jones Penbryn and Susanah Morris. Lewis Jones was the
> son of Edmund Jones and Sara Edmund. It is through Edmund Jones that the
> link with the Lloyds of Cwm Bychan is claimed. This information can be
> seen in Ceiri Griffiths Book as well as the work of Dr Watts which Gerald
> has. However I think that more work needs to be done to establish the
> link. I have the Will of John Richard, Ysgwrn Trawsfynydd 1746 (I think)
> and it names Edmund Jones as his son and Dorothy Jones wife of Evan Lloyd
> Cwmbychan as daughter. (she is said to have married her second cousin)
> However both Ceiri Griffith and Dr Watts has a John Lloyd as Edmund
> Jones's father which does not seem to be correct. By the!
> way the connection with Brysguboriau is that another son of Edmund
> Jones - Robert Edmund went there and the family lived there almost until
> the end of the 19th century. Hope this helps
> Gareth
> p/s Mary Humphries the wife of Hedd Wyn's grandfather Lewis Evans was also
> a descendant of Edmund Jones, Ysgwrn
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Hello List,
I am thinking of transcribing a few years of the Llanenddwyn Parish Registers of Baptisms, Marriages, Burials (FHL#2419524) that were filmed by the LDS in 2007. The years I am interested in would be probably 1800-1810 or so.
My questions are:
1) Does anyone know if this has already been done?
2) If I do this, does it have to be in any certain format?
3) Who do I contact to have it put on the GenUki site?
Thanks.
Kay Gavin
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Dear Felicitity,
I think that you will find that your family goes back to the Cwm Bychan family throgh Evan Evans, Hedd Wyn's father. His father was Lewis Evans was the son of Evan Williams and Sarah Lewis. Sarah was Evan's second wife. His first was the Margaret Roberts you referred to. Sara was the daughter of Lewis Jones Penbryn and Susanah Morris. Lewis Jones was the son of Edmund Jones and Sara Edmund. It is through Edmund Jones that the link with the Lloyds of Cwm Bychan is claimed. This information can be seen in Ceiri Griffiths Book as well as the work of Dr Watts which Gerald has. However I think that more work needs to be done to establish the link. I have the Will of John Richard, Ysgwrn Trawsfynydd 1746 (I think) and it names Edmund Jones as his son and Dorothy Jones wife of Evan Lloyd Cwmbychan as daughter. (she is said to have married her second cousin) However both Ceiri Griffith and Dr Watts has a John Lloyd as Edmund Jones's father which does not seem to be correct. By the!
way the connection with Brysguboriau is that another son of Edmund Jones - Robert Edmund went there and the family lived there almost until the end of the 19th century. Hope this helps
Gareth
p/s Mary Humphries the wife of Hedd Wyn's grandfather Lewis Evans was also a descendant of Edmund Jones, Ysgwrn
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Sorry, you have the dates wrong!David
2008/9/7 F CAIRNS <felicity1964(a)btinternet.com>
> Thanks for this Jane
> The lineage I was enquiring after would be via my paternal great
> grandmother who was mother to Hedd Wyn My Nains brother so the surname would
> be something other than Williams. I have a Margaret Roberts in our family
> tree who was married on Nov 8th 1796 and died in October 1802 aged 28. Does
> this name fit in with anything you have? If I get anywhere with the Lloyd
> link I'll let you know
> Diolch yn fawr iawn
> Felicity
>
> Jane Wright <janewright(a)europe.com> wrote:
> Hi Felicity
> I am also descended from the Lloyds ofCwmbychan. I found this from a
> biography my great uncle, Rev. Henry Rees wrote in 1933. The biography was
> of Rev R.G. Roberts and Henry writes that they both took great pride in the
> fact that they were of the lineage Llwydiaid Cwmbychan via their mothers.
> Exactly how we link up to the Lloyds is a fact I have been struggling with
> for a number of years. I hope you have better luck. Unfortuantley I have no
> Williams.
> Jane Wright
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> > I've just come off the phone with my uncle Gerald Williams who lives at
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> > the records indicate we came to Ysgwrn from Yr Wyddor and before that
> > Llanfachreth, he seems to think that the family started in Cwmbychan. I
> > have an email about the family living in Brynsguboriau in Trawsfynydd pre
> > 1800 which says "this also means they are related to the Lloyd family of
> > Cwmbychan and thence Cadwgan ap Bleddyn ap Cynfyn." Does anyone know this
> > family and how they fit into the Ysgwrn family tree?
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Thanks for this Jane
The lineage I was enquiring after would be via my paternal great grandmother who was mother to Hedd Wyn My Nains brother so the surname would be something other than Williams. I have a Margaret Roberts in our family tree who was married on Nov 8th 1796 and died in October 1802 aged 28. Does this name fit in with anything you have? If I get anywhere with the Lloyd link I'll let you know
Diolch yn fawr iawn
Felicity
Jane Wright <janewright(a)europe.com> wrote:
Hi Felicity
I am also descended from the Lloyds ofCwmbychan. I found this from a
biography my great uncle, Rev. Henry Rees wrote in 1933. The biography was
of Rev R.G. Roberts and Henry writes that they both took great pride in the
fact that they were of the lineage Llwydiaid Cwmbychan via their mothers.
Exactly how we link up to the Lloyds is a fact I have been struggling with
for a number of years. I hope you have better luck. Unfortuantley I have no
Williams.
Jane Wright
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> I've just come off the phone with my uncle Gerald Williams who lives at
> Ysgwrn Trawsfynydd and we were talking about the family's roots. Although
> the records indicate we came to Ysgwrn from Yr Wyddor and before that
> Llanfachreth, he seems to think that the family started in Cwmbychan. I
> have an email about the family living in Brynsguboriau in Trawsfynydd pre
> 1800 which says "this also means they are related to the Lloyd family of
> Cwmbychan and thence Cadwgan ap Bleddyn ap Cynfyn." Does anyone know this
> family and how they fit into the Ysgwrn family tree?
> Felicity Williams
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Thanks for your help Ron
That's very interesting. As I can't find him prior to 1861 when he was 55
it's possible he had a different occupation before he became a Publican and
Cow Keeper in Chester !! I will pay a visit to Chester archives to investigate
further.
His daughter Elizabeth married a CRITCHLOW/CRITCHLEY and all that family
were connected to the Railway.
Kind reagrds
Maggi
Hello Maggi
Prior to the time you mention (Early 1850s) the very first Railway build
contracts were taking place in France. The first one was the Paris-Rouen Railway
in 1843 followed by Le Havre-Rouen and Dieppe legs (1847) also Cherbourg-
Mantes and Le Mans and more.
The contractor was Thomas Brassey ,a Cheshire man born at Buerton near
Chester who also had Bulkeley Hall (near Peckforton) as his home and works in
Birkenhead. He was a major contractor who with countless Navvies ,Masons &
Suppliers etc of all nationalities built major parts of the Railway network in
Britain and France not to mention many other contracts world wide including the
Canadian Grand Trunk with its Victoria Btidge over the St Lawrence..
I refer you to a book you may obtain through library service called "Life
and Labours of Mr Brassey" by Arthur Helps first published 1872 later editions
available.There is a chapter devoted to the early France contracts and
detailing a viaduct near Rouen that collapsed.
Everyone knows of the engineers Stevenson ,Brunel etc , but the contractors
were the main body of builders. Not a Mobile telephone,Car or Computer
between them.
I have no idea how you check any possible connection but I offer it as a
strong possibility and reason you might find ancestors in this area of France
around this time.
Ron B. (another Cheshire Railway man)
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I've just come off the phone with my uncle Gerald Williams who lives at Ysgwrn Trawsfynydd and we were talking about the family's roots. Although the records indicate we came to Ysgwrn from Yr Wyddor and before that Llanfachreth, he seems to think that the family started in Cwmbychan. I have an email about the family living in Brynsguboriau in Trawsfynydd pre 1800 which says "this also means they are related to the Lloyd family of Cwmbychan and thence Cadwgan ap Bleddyn ap Cynfyn." Does anyone know this family and how they fit into the Ysgwrn family tree?
Felicity Williams
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Searching for information about Evan Williams's ch.1789, first wife Mary Williams of Llanddwywe. They married 4 Dec 1813.
Evan ch.1789 was the son of Cadwalader Williams 1751- 1833, Frongaled, Llanddwywe.
Evan Williams' second wife was Catherine Lloyd ch.1799, dau of Thomas Lloyd 'Pontfadog', Llanddwywe.
Evan and Catherine's son Thomas Lloyd Williams, 1830-1910: emigrated to Wisconsin and published articles including several about the Welsh in that area: see 'Welsh Biographical Dictionary'.
Any information about the above would be appreciated.
Diolch
Glynne Jones
Hello Listers
I'm carrying out some research for a friend of mine and we have come across
one of her ancestors who was born in France in 1854. My friend has no
knowledge of the family's background and has no idea why they would have been
there-the birth place is actually 'near Rouen'. The father is a Publican and Cow
Keeper, born in Chester, name John RUSCOE and his wife, Elizabeth, was born
in Cheshire.
Their children were all born in Chester apart from this one. I suspect that
she might possibly be their grandchild as there is a 12 year gap between her
and the next child and the mother would be around 49 !!
I wondered if anyone had any ideas as to why someone from a family in
Chester with no obvious connection to employment involving travel might have been
born there at this time !!
Regards
Maggi
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my grandfather griffith jones was elis humphreys friend he lived on the farm accross the road abergeirw mawr they both fought in ww1 according to what taid told my aunt there were terrible scenes at the battle there were a lot of mates together ithink elis was in the 15th and taid was in the 14th just before taid went in his friends were coming out saying so and so has died etc and among those were elis humphrey
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