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Can anyone please help solve the mystery of where these couple disappeared to after they married on 14th May 1855 at Ruabon.
John Jones aged 24, labourer, residence at time of marriage Llansantffraid Mechain
father Thomas Jones labourer. Any information on this Jones family would be great.
.
Martha Edwards spinster aged 25 (she was born in 1827 at Llandegla (confirmed) so she lied about her age) occupation servant, residence at time of marriage Tir y Fron, Ruabon father Edward Edwards labourer.
Witness's were Edward Edwards and Emma Jones
Martha left her illegitimate son with her sister Elinor, in Ruabon, when she married, this is confirmed in the 1861 census so what could have happened to Martha and John?.
Thanks
Ann
Poole, Dorset
Thanks very much. I know understand the difference between all the
"Ffestiniogs." Thanks for the clarification.
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The house or farm name will be Llwynygell and is located in the part of the
parish of Ffestiniog where Blaenau Ffestiniog now is. Blaenau Ffestiniog is
the modern town, Ffestiniog (or Festiniog as it used to be spelt by the
English in the ninetweenth century) is the parish and also the name of the
village now more commonly called Llan Ffestiniog which is much older than
the town. If Llwynygell doesn't come up with results, try Llwyngell or Llwyn
y gell. There are houses of that name there now though the original farm
disappeared a long time ago.
Rhian
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Can anyone please help solve the mystery of where these couple disappeared to after they married on 14th May 1855 at Ruabon.
John Jones aged 24, labourer, residence at time of marriage Llansantffraid Mechain
father Thomas Jones labourer. Any information on this Jones family would be great.
.
Martha Edwards spinster aged 25 (she was born in 1827 at Llandegla (confirmed) so she lied about her age) occupation servant, residence at time of marriage Tan y Fron, Ruabon (again this seems wrong as her parents lived at Tan y Fron in Llandegla) father Edward Edwards labourer.
Witness's were Edward Edwards and Emma Jones
Martha left her illegitimate son with her sister Elinor, in Ruabon, when she married, this is confirmed in the 1861 census so what could have happened to Martha and John?.
Thanks
Ann
Poole, Dorset
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Hello Margaret. Thanks for your lookup.
Details for Jane PUGH Snr appear corerect and she did have a daughter called Jane.
However my Jane Jnr would have been 18 years old in 1851 and not 28.
Regards
Richard
The house or farm name will be Llwynygell and is located in the part of the
parish of Ffestiniog where Blaenau Ffestiniog now is. Blaenau Ffestiniog is
the modern town, Ffestiniog (or Festiniog as it used to be spelt by the
English in the ninetweenth century) is the parish and also the name of the
village now more commonly called Llan Ffestiniog which is much older than
the town. If Llwynygell doesn't come up with results, try Llwyngell or Llwyn
y gell. There are houses of that name there now though the original farm
disappeared a long time ago.
Rhian
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Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 6:20 PM
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>
> I can't help on the place name but just the surname - surnames in the
> "cefn gwlad" of Wales - the NW including Gwynedd and Angelsey - were not
> fixed in some quarters until the early to mid 19th century. Rowland
> William/Williams could therefore be a "patronymic" meaning that his father
> was William something-or-other OR just a simple mistranscription by the
> enumerator OR he was known as both Williams and William. The last
> scenario also means that patronymics were not too far back in the
> genealogy as otherwise the person would be much more certain about being a
> William or a Williams.
>
> Having a patronymic so late in history (anglicised surnames were adopted
> by those in more English-influenced areas from the 16th century if not
> before) does not mean anything. A writer, I forget who, said that the
> landowner was almost just as likely as his tenants to have a long
> pedigree.
>
> All my Welsh family (to date - still working on the Bala family) used
> patronymics until the early 18th century to as late as 1862! It can be
> fascinating studying Wlesh genealogy.
>
> *Just a note to all those with children who are adopting the traditional
> naming patterns - keep things easy for your descendents and advise them to
> use three or more names and a place!
>
> Ian Thompson
> (Ieuan Gwilym Risiart!)
> London SW9
>
>
>
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>> From: jlvolker2(a)cox.net
>> To: WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
>> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:59:38 -0700
>> Subject: [MER] Coflein Location help
>>
>> Could I ask for some assistance? I found my relative Rowland William (he
>> is actually Williams but not listed as such on the census) on the 1841
>> census. He was listed in the civil parish of Festiniog in the county of
>> Merionethshire. I tried using Coflein and looking in the drop down menu
>> for Festiniog. I did not find it in the "population centres". It is not
>> the same as Blaenau Ffestiniog right? I did find a listing for Festiniog
>> in the "administrative areas." This placed me in the Blaenau Ffestiniog
>> area again. Is this correct?
>>
>> On the census it looks like the place is Llwyn y gill, but not sure.
>> Could someone help me find it on the map? (If it helps the census info
>> is HO 107/1427/2 Festiniog, Festiniog, Merionethshire, Wales - Ardudwy
>> hundred ED 3 Folio 38, Line 4, Page 12, GSU 464334)
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jenny Volker
>>
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HEllo Doreen
Thank you for your interest and the offer of census lookups, but I have already got most of the census data for the families.
I was (rather ineptly!) trying to refer back to a correspondence on the list earlier this year on the ROWLANDS family of Defeidiog Ganol in the 19th Century and also trying to see if more had been found on their antecedents as some loose ends had been left hanging.
Thanks again for your offer of help, much appreciated in these new areas for me.
Fiona
Hi, Mary Pierce, is she from Llanuwchllyn? I know that the Roberts (Dol
Fawr etc) and the Pierces were related. In the main cemetery in
Llanuwchllyn, there's a gravestone for Pierce Pierce, it always caught
my eye and made me smile, as its near to the plots of several family
members. Bob Hughes
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Hi Mary
Andreas JONES married a Mary PIERCE and it is Mary Pierce's line that
connects to John's PRICE line. I have Andreas born in 1819 but that
came from a census report so I don't know how accurate that is.
Would you like me to send you the whole Pierce line or would you only
like Andreas Jones descendants?
How do you connect to this family?
Doreen & John
Hamilton, Canada.
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Hi Mary
I don't think she could have been his first wife because she is too young. I am beginning to think that perhaps the book was incorrect and that perhaps she was married to the son Andreas not the father. If it was the father she probably would have had to have married him after 1871 and then died before 1881.
John found these last night.
1841 Census
Festiniog
Pen y Bank? No 2
Griff ROBERTES, 40, Quarryman - Yes
Elizabeth ROBERTES, 45, ---, Yes
Griffith ROBERTES, 7, ---, Yes
David ROBERTES, 5, ---, Yes
Andreas JONES, 20, Quarryman, Yes
David EDWARDS, 20, ---, Yes
John EVANES, 20, ---, Yes
Elizabeth WILLIAMES, 20, Female Servant, Yes
(interesting spelling of the surnames)
1871 Festiniog
Glasfryn?
Andreas? JONES, Head, Wid, 52, Quarryman, Bala, Mer
John A. JONES, Son, U, 22, Quarryman, Festiniog, Mer
Andreas JONES, Son, -, 11, Scholar, Festiniog, Mer
Mary A. JONES, Daughter, U, 16, Dressmaker, Festiniog, Mer
Anne A. JONES, Daughter, -, 9, Scholar, Festiniog, Mer
Ellin LLOYD, Servant, U, 29?, Domestic Servant, Festiniog, Mer
I did find a marriage for an Andreas Jones in 1902 but I couldn't find a matching Mary.
Doreen & John
Hamilton, Canada.
I can't help on the place name but just the surname - surnames in the "cefn gwlad" of Wales - the NW including Gwynedd and Angelsey - were not fixed in some quarters until the early to mid 19th century. Rowland William/Williams could therefore be a "patronymic" meaning that his father was William something-or-other OR just a simple mistranscription by the enumerator OR he was known as both Williams and William. The last scenario also means that patronymics were not too far back in the genealogy as otherwise the person would be much more certain about being a William or a Williams.
Having a patronymic so late in history (anglicised surnames were adopted by those in more English-influenced areas from the 16th century if not before) does not mean anything. A writer, I forget who, said that the landowner was almost just as likely as his tenants to have a long pedigree.
All my Welsh family (to date - still working on the Bala family) used patronymics until the early 18th century to as late as 1862! It can be fascinating studying Wlesh genealogy.
*Just a note to all those with children who are adopting the traditional naming patterns - keep things easy for your descendents and advise them to use three or more names and a place!
Ian Thompson
(Ieuan Gwilym Risiart!)
London SW9
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> From: jlvolker2(a)cox.net
> To: WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:59:38 -0700
> Subject: [MER] Coflein Location help
>
> Could I ask for some assistance? I found my relative Rowland William (he is actually Williams but not listed as such on the census) on the 1841 census. He was listed in the civil parish of Festiniog in the county of Merionethshire. I tried using Coflein and looking in the drop down menu for Festiniog. I did not find it in the "population centres". It is not the same as Blaenau Ffestiniog right? I did find a listing for Festiniog in the "administrative areas." This placed me in the Blaenau Ffestiniog area again. Is this correct?
>
> On the census it looks like the place is Llwyn y gill, but not sure. Could someone help me find it on the map? (If it helps the census info is HO 107/1427/2 Festiniog, Festiniog, Merionethshire, Wales - Ardudwy hundred ED 3 Folio 38, Line 4, Page 12, GSU 464334)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jenny Volker
>
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Hi Mary
Andreas JONES married a Mary PIERCE and it is Mary Pierce's line that connects to John's PRICE line. I have Andreas born in 1819 but that came from a census report so I don't know how accurate that is.
Would you like me to send you the whole Pierce line or would you only like Andreas Jones descendants?
How do you connect to this family?
Doreen & John
Hamilton, Canada.
Hi
I am trying to get the marriage certificate of the above couple who married in the Ffestioniog register district sometime in the 1880's. Their daughter Laura was born in 1886.
I have already sent off for a cert from Southport to find I didn't have a couple at all! A fresh look at FreeBMD gives at least another 3 possible pairings! Could anyone give me any tips on how to narrow this down to the right couple? Like are there any online resources I could consult ? Or are there any lookups I could ask for in Church registers? I am unable to go to Dollgellau to the Records Office because of distance.
Thanks for all advice
Fiona HAll
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Hi Doreen
I will be so excited if I have found any link to Andreas Jones of Bala I have been trying to get a connection for a very long time.
Please let me know what you have
I have a photo of Andreas Jones grave in Ffestiniog.
Look forward to hearing from you
Mary
Hello
I am new to researching in Wales, though I have 'done' Englabnd and Scotland for many years for my own families. As a fundraiser for our church I am helping a friend research her tree and her roots are in Trawsfynydd and Ffestiniog.
Looking through the archives I have found a connection for her with the above family. Edward and Gwen had a son Owen who was my friend's GG Grandfather.
>From the list I understand that Gwen was born a RICHARDS. From the censuses I may have found a likley candidate for his parents in Edward and Elizabeth ROWLANDS of Llanycil.
Can anyone confirm if I am correct please ?
If anyone has any information on the above family that they are willing to share then I would be most grateful.
Thanks
Fiona Hall
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Hi Mary
Your message was gatewayed to the Merioneth List. Yes, we have that family and the descendants. Please contact me directly and can send you what I have.
Doreen & John
Hamilton, Canada.
Could I ask for some assistance? I found my relative Rowland William (he is actually Williams but not listed as such on the census) on the 1841 census. He was listed in the civil parish of Festiniog in the county of Merionethshire. I tried using Coflein and looking in the drop down menu for Festiniog. I did not find it in the "population centres". It is not the same as Blaenau Ffestiniog right? I did find a listing for Festiniog in the "administrative areas." This placed me in the Blaenau Ffestiniog area again. Is this correct?
On the census it looks like the place is Llwyn y gill, but not sure. Could someone help me find it on the map? (If it helps the census info is HO 107/1427/2 Festiniog, Festiniog, Merionethshire, Wales - Ardudwy hundred ED 3 Folio 38, Line 4, Page 12, GSU 464334)
Thanks.
Jenny Volker
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does anybody have Andreas Jones in their tree.
he was born around 1812 in Bala.
Later lived in Ffestiniog, one of his daughter 's Mary married a lewis Thomas.
Are there any desendants of Lewis Thomas who are tracing the family.
Mary
Dear list,
I wonder if anyone else is interested in the family of Llwynmawr Ucha, Llanycil, who married my gt gt gt grandfather:
Marriage in the CM Chapel, Bala, 15th Feb 1854:
John Thomas 26 bachelor farmer Pandy Mawr Llanuwchllyn son of John Thomas engineer
and
Catherine Williams 23 spinster Llwynmawr LLanycil daughter of John Williams farmer
I remember seeing this family in T C Griffith's book mentioned very briefly but can anyone add anything?
Yours,
Ian
London SW9
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Richard,
Are you still looking for census info? Here is a possibility for the 1851 census, living in Uchmynydd, Merionethshire
Jane Pugh 48, widow, charwoman, born LLanddwywe
Jane Pugh 28, daughter, charwoman, born LLanaber
Let me know if this is the correct person and I will check other census years.
Margaret
I don't think that he's the same Evan Hughes - I have an Evan Hughes born
1878 living at Peniel Terrace Ffestiniog in the 1901 census but not born in
Ffestiniog - but Hafod Fawr Isaf, Maentwrog parish and was a butcher.
Angharad
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> I am looking for a Evan Hughes or his family that lived at 3 Incline
> Terrace, Blaenau Festiniog 1915-1926 possibly longer. Unknown if Evan
> Hughes was ever married. Date of birth 25 Feb 1878 at 25 Lord St,
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Dear list,
My John Thomas from Llanuwchllyn was married in 1854 in Bala to a Catherine Williams and his father was John Thomas "engineer". Does this ring any bells with any list member?
There may be a Manchester connection. Oral history... but... has been *surprisingly* good in the past!
Yours,
Ian
London SW9
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