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Dear List,
I am looking for the birth of John Williams b.abt.1795 .
His place of birth recorded in 1851 census was Llanfachreth, Merioneth.
He married Ann Griffiths in 1816 at Bedgellert.
I have all the census details (courtesy of Doreen&John) beginning 1841
at Llwyniolyn,Llanfor & then for Derwgoed, Llandderfel.for the remaing years.
I have searched all possible web sites but with no luck.
Any help for possible births would be greatly appreciated.
Regards. Fran.
If SKS has access to any Trade Directories prior to 1870, I would really,
really appreciate a check for Owen WILLIAMS (farmer) in Llanaber
/Bontddu/Dyffryn areas. Would particularly appreciate name of farm.
What would be the earliest date that these areas would be covered by a Trade
Directory?
I have Owen WILLIAMS, farmer (realise he may not be the same one, but
hopefully related - father/son?)
1868 (Slaters) Llanaber Parish - no address
1874 (Slaters) ditto - Llechfraith
1883 (Slaters) ditto - Cellfechan (definitely my Owen WILLIAMS (Sr)!)
1886 (Merioneth Directory - Villages & Parishes), farmer, Cellfechan,
Llanaber
I believe an Owen WILLIAMS was also farming at Cae Hir in 1841. Would also
appreciate a lookup for Owen WILLIAMS at Cae Hir or Llechfraith in the
1851/1861 census if available.
All help greatly appreciated.
Lizzie
Brisbane, Australia
FHS: Glos #A6564, Gwynedd #2991
outgoing mail scanned by PC-cillin 2005
In a message dated 5/11/2005 3:50:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tishanne(a)supanet.com writes:
> I will willingly do a look up for you on Ancestry.
>
Dear Pat:
Thank you very much for your offer of a lookup. I hope Alwyn is not ill or
otherwise incapacitated. I have not seen his posts on the list over the last few
days.
Richard DAVIES was a laborer and the father of Lewis DAVIES, birth date
unknown, who married Catherine ROBERTS, born about 1824, in Bangor Cathedral,
Bangor, Caernarvonshire, on March 23, 1850. So I think Richard would have been 50
to 60 years old, or perhaps somewhat older, in 1861.
I have assumed that Richard DAVIES lived in Merionethshire in the Llangelynin
parish near Llanegryn, because Celyninn, which was a town exactly in this
area, according to Alwyn, was given by Lewis DAVIES as his place of residence at
the time of his marriage in 1850. Lewis was a mariner, which must have
influenced his place of residence while his father was not a mariner, so maybe Lewis
wasn't still living at home with his father Richard at the time of his
marriage. Richard might even have been living in a different county.
I much appreciate your looking for my Richard DAVIES.
Jayne
perllan987(a)aol.com
Hello Alwyn,
Hope I'm not too late to take up your kind offer of a search through the
1861 census.
I'm looking for Rhys Lewis, born (location in Merioneth unknown) circa 1800,
and his wife Susanna born Llanegryn circa 1802.
In the 1871 census Susanna is a widow living in Y Launt, Dolgellau. The
couple had a number of children but in 1861 the only child that seems likely
still to be living with the parents might be John born Dolgellau circa 1845.
I expect that they are in Dolgellau in 1861 as they had been since at least
1831.
Thanks in anticipation,
Adrian C Whittaker
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From: WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-D-request(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com]
Sent: 03 May 2005 20:01
To: WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-D(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-D Digest V05 #95
Dear Alwyn:
I have been wondering why I did not get an answer to my request for the 1861
Merionethshire census information for my Richard DAVIES (see my email below
your email). As I read your email over again, I thought that I did not hear from
you because you do not reply when you find no information. It seems to me
that I have seen you email people under those circumstances, though; if so, that
is not the answer. You wrote that a few others also have the ancestry.co.uk
subscription; I didn't hear from any of those people either.
What further puzzled me is that I did not see any requests from anyone else
for 1861 census info, and if there had been any, I should have seen them since
you requested that queries go to the list. An offer like this usually brings
out a lot of requests.
Would you please relieve my puzzlement? Have I misunderstood your email?
Thanks very much.
Jayne
perllan987(a)aol.com
In a message dated 4/29/2005 9:26:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alwynaphuw(a)dsl.pipex.com writes:
> The 1861 Census has now been added to Ancestry.co.uk so all the census
> returns for 1861 to 1901 are now on the site.
>
> I am a subscriber (as are a few other list members) to Ancestry so if you
> want a lookup please ask - on the list - I am unable to respond to off list
> requests!
>
> A number of list members have asked for 1861 lookups before and got no reply
> because the info wasn't available at the time - so if you have been
> disappointed in the past ask again!
>
> (NB 1841 and 1851 census returns are NOT available through Ancestry - 1841
> is available on un-indexed discs which some list members do have - but you
> have to be VERY specific in order to get a lookup done - some [very few]
> 1851 census indices are on GENUKI -
> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MER/#Census )
>
> All the best
>
> Alwyn
>
>
Dear Alwyn:
I am, as always, looking for my Richard DAVIES living in Celynnin, which you
have told me " . . . is the parish centred on Llangelynin between Tywyn and
Dolgellau in Merionethshire. Celynnin falls within the registration distict
of
Dolgellau (known as Dolgelly or Dolgelley in 1853), . . . "
Thank you very much.
Jayne
perllan987(a)aol.com
Hi Bob,
You are quite right. That is me and it shows that I must make more effort
to keep up with John Ball's wonderful welsh website, known as WFHA but
commonly written as www.
Finding Coed-y-bedw on John's old Talis map, enabled me to find it on my
1963 OrdnanceSurvey map at coordinates SH964402 spelled as 'Coedybedo'. It
sits on a side road that might not show on your motoring atlas. If you
follow the A494 main road from Bala to Druid (Ddwyrhyd) west of Corwen.
About 3 miles northwest of Bala, turn left (west) at Cefn-ddwysarn and find
Coedybedo about 1 mile up this lane, which goes on to join the A5 near Pont
y glyn-diffwys about 5 miles west of Corwen.
There are Merioneth friends who know this area on the Rootswebsite at
<WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com> which you easily join by first
registering at <WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-L-request(a)rootsweb.com> by sending the
one word "Subscribe".
There were two immediate responses, when I posted your original message to
this list.
I have taken the liberty to copy them below. Thank you very much Hafina and
Eryl.
cheers, Tony in White Rock, BC
(who hopes to be sightseeing the magnificent Oregon coast in a few days,
accompanied by two old friends from Wales)
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Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 13:09:07 +0100
From: Hafina Coppack <hafinaclwyd(a)boyns.net>
Subject: Re: [MER] Re: Map of Merionethshire
X-Mailing-List: <WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2756
I think the name of the farm is probably Coed y Bedo and it is in
Cefnddwysarn not far from Bala, parish of Llanfor probably (LLanfor and
Llanfawr, same place) Many Quakers went from that area to Pennsylvania and
they have a reunion every now and again in the Bala area. Hafina
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Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 22:19:27 +0100
From: Eryl V Roberts <erylfon(a)31cilygraig.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: [MER] RE: Map of Merionethshire
X-Mailing-List: <WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2762
Tony and Bob
Further to Hafina's reply, Betws could become quite confusing for the unwary.
There were two places known as Betws within about five miles of each other
in the eastern part of Meirionnydd (why does Meirionnydd double the n when
Eifionydd doesn't?) one in Penllyn, part of Llanfawr (now Llanfor) the other
in Edeyrnion. The former was known as Betws y Coed but was 'renamed'
Llawrybetws due to the other Betws y Coed, some 25 miles north west. The
latter was and still is Betws Gwerfyl Goch. No longer will the former be
found on any map.
FWW
Eryl in Anglesey, still searching Roberts, Vaughan Evans and Price in
Edeyrnion/Llanfor.
-----------------------------------------------------
>Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 12:12:29 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Bob Williams <williams0694(a)sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Re: Map of Merionethshire
>To: Anthony Francis <Lynnant(a)shaw.ca>
>
> Tony, Well ..... the map came from this web site:
><http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/tallis/maps/mer.htm>http://home.clara.net/wfha
>/wales/tallis/maps/mer.htm
It was linked from hypertext contained in an article at this website:
<http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/bts/index.htm>http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales
/bts/index.htm
The article is entitled:
>About Llangar Parish, Merionethshire
>by document.write(und2(s1)) <mailto:lynnant@shaw.ca>Tony Francis of Canada.
> .... and there you see the link to your email address.
Your email link also appears at the bottom of the article with a date of
"4th May 2001." That's why I believed you provided the map as part of your
article. Perhaps someone else inserted the map link in your text. On that
map, just about due west of Llangar (apparently west of today's A494) is a
town marked Coed-y-Bedw, which does not appear on my 1985 Ordnance Survey
Motoring Atlas of Great Britain. However, that location does seem a bit
farther west than I had thought and your description is more in line with
other information I had but could not substantiate. Thank you for that.
You may want to take a look at that online map and see if it is of use to
you. Again, the URL is
<http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/tallis/maps/mer.htm>http://home.clara.net/wfha
/wales/tallis/maps/mer.htm
I appreciate your response to my email.
I'll try the site's webmaster to see if he can identify/date the map.
Bob Williams Indiana
Tony and Bob
Further to Hafina's reply, Betws could become quite confusing for the
unwary.
There were two places known as Betws within about five miles of each other
in the eastern part of Meirionnydd (why does Meirionnydd double the n when
Eifionydd doesn't?) one in Penllyn, part of Llanfawr (now Llanfor) the other
in Edeyrnion. The former was known as Betws y Coed but was 'renamed'
Llawrybetws due to the other Betws y Coed, some 25 miles north west. The
latter was and still is Betws Gwerfyl Goch. No longer will the former be
found on any map.
FWW
Eryl in Anglesey, still searching Roberts, Vaughan Evans and Price in
Edeyrnion/Llanfor.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Francis [mailto:Lynnant@shaw.ca]
Sent: 06 May 2005 06:46
To: WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Map of Merionethshire
Subject: Re: Map of Merionethshire
Hi Bob,
>I am greatful for your providing the map of Merionethshire, Wales
> ... indicated on your map at Coed-y-Bedw.
Sorry you've lost me here. I think you've got the wrong person.
>"County of Merioneth, Penllyn Hundred, Llanfawr Parish, Bettws Township."
I think this must be the township just west of Llangar, southwest of Corwen.
I know Llawr y Bettws is just west of Llangar. I wonder if your Coed-y-Bedw
is anywhere near Gaergoed? - which is just east of Llawr y Bettws.
My ancestors were born in Blaen-gwnodl, which is about equidistant from
Llangar and Llandrillo, but west of the river Dee, high up on the hill.
There are several people on the Merioneth Rootsweb list who are local
experts having lived there and could probably answer your questions.
Where did you find your old map of this part of Merionethshire?
Puzzled, Tony in White Rock, BC
- ---------------------------------------------------
>Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 20:28:35 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Bob Williams <williams0694(a)sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Map of Merionethshire
>To: lynnant(a)shaw.ca
>
>I am greatful for your providing the map of Merionethshire, Wales and
>excited about finding it. Can you identify the date of the map? I am
>researching an ancestor who came to Pennsylvania in 1683 as an original
>purchaser from William Penn. His name was William ap John who married Ann
>Reynold(s) (Renald) and had four children when he came to America. His
>home is identified as, "County of Merioneth, Penllyn Hundred, Llanfawr
>Parish, Bettws Township." I am guessing that area may be the area
>indicated on your map at Coed-y-Bedw. The town of Bettws on the map is in
>Edernion Hundred. Could you pin point Bettws Township? Thank you. And
>thanks again for the map. Bob Williams Crawfordsville, Indiana
______________________________
Ieuan,
Thank you for your reply but I do not think I have any connections with your
Hughes family.
I am hoping to find Robert Roberts and his wife Catherine on the 1861 census
for Llandderfel - they were at theFactory in Llandderfel on the 1871 census.
However I was interested in Edward Hughes' wife, Gwen Lewis from Llanycil -
my Gt X3 grandmother was Jane Lewis (b 1754) from Gwernbiseg, Llanycil and
I wondered if there was any connection?
Hwyl,
Elfed.
I think the name of the farm is probably Coed y Bedo and it is in
Cefnddwysarn not far from Bala, parish of Llanfor probably (LLanfor and
Llanfawr, same place) Many Quakers went from that area to Pennsylvania and
they have a reunion every now and again in the Bala area. Hafina
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Francis" <Lynnant(a)shaw.ca>
To: <WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 6:46 AM
Subject: [MER] Re: Map of Merionethshire
> Subject: Re: Map of Merionethshire
> Hi Bob,
>>I am greatful for your providing the map of Merionethshire, Wales
>> ... indicated on your map at Coed-y-Bedw.
> Sorry you've lost me here. I think you've got the wrong person.
>
>>"County of Merioneth, Penllyn Hundred, Llanfawr Parish, Bettws Township."
> I think this must be the township just west of Llangar, southwest of
> Corwen.
> I know Llawr y Bettws is just west of Llangar. I wonder if your
> Coed-y-Bedw
> is anywhere near Gaergoed? - which is just east of Llawr y Bettws.
> My ancestors were born in Blaen-gwnodl, which is about equidistant from
> Llangar and Llandrillo, but west of the river Dee, high up on the hill.
> There are several people on the Merioneth Rootsweb list who are local
> experts having lived there and could probably answer your questions.
> Where did you find your old map of this part of Merionethshire?
> Puzzled, Tony in White Rock, BC
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>>Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 20:28:35 -0700 (PDT)
>>From: Bob Williams <williams0694(a)sbcglobal.net>
>>Subject: Map of Merionethshire
>>To: lynnant(a)shaw.ca
>>
>>I am greatful for your providing the map of Merionethshire, Wales and
>>excited about finding it. Can you identify the date of the map? I am
>>researching an ancestor who came to Pennsylvania in 1683 as an original
>>purchaser from William Penn. His name was William ap John who married Ann
>>Reynold(s) (Renald) and had four children when he came to America. His
>>home is identified as, "County of Merioneth, Penllyn Hundred, Llanfawr
>>Parish, Bettws Township." I am guessing that area may be the area
>>indicated on your map at Coed-y-Bedw. The town of Bettws on the map is in
>>Edernion Hundred. Could you pin point Bettws Township? Thank you. And
>>thanks again for the map. Bob Williams Crawfordsville, Indiana
>
>
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Mind telling me where you found the 1841 census in Ontario?
Jim Latimer
Wasaga Beach
Doreen Jones <dd.jones(a)sympatico.ca> wrote:
Hi Elfed
I checked our transcription of Llandderfel for 1841 and only found the one dwelling described as a factory and that is the one I sent to you earlier. Perhaps it is there but just does not have factory in the dwelling name. Have you found it in other years?
Doreen & John
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Hi Elfed
I checked our transcription of Llandderfel for 1841 and only found the one dwelling described as a factory and that is the one I sent to you earlier. Perhaps it is there but just does not have factory in the dwelling name. Have you found it in other years?
Doreen & John
Hamilton, Canada.
Subject: Re: Map of Merionethshire
Hi Bob,
>I am greatful for your providing the map of Merionethshire, Wales
> ... indicated on your map at Coed-y-Bedw.
Sorry you've lost me here. I think you've got the wrong person.
>"County of Merioneth, Penllyn Hundred, Llanfawr Parish, Bettws Township."
I think this must be the township just west of Llangar, southwest of Corwen.
I know Llawr y Bettws is just west of Llangar. I wonder if your Coed-y-Bedw
is anywhere near Gaergoed? - which is just east of Llawr y Bettws.
My ancestors were born in Blaen-gwnodl, which is about equidistant from
Llangar and Llandrillo, but west of the river Dee, high up on the hill.
There are several people on the Merioneth Rootsweb list who are local
experts having lived there and could probably answer your questions.
Where did you find your old map of this part of Merionethshire?
Puzzled, Tony in White Rock, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
>Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 20:28:35 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Bob Williams <williams0694(a)sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Map of Merionethshire
>To: lynnant(a)shaw.ca
>
>I am greatful for your providing the map of Merionethshire, Wales and
>excited about finding it. Can you identify the date of the map? I am
>researching an ancestor who came to Pennsylvania in 1683 as an original
>purchaser from William Penn. His name was William ap John who married Ann
>Reynold(s) (Renald) and had four children when he came to America. His
>home is identified as, "County of Merioneth, Penllyn Hundred, Llanfawr
>Parish, Bettws Township." I am guessing that area may be the area
>indicated on your map at Coed-y-Bedw. The town of Bettws on the map is in
>Edernion Hundred. Could you pin point Bettws Township? Thank you. And
>thanks again for the map. Bob Williams Crawfordsville, Indiana
I would be grateful if someone who has access to the 1861 census for Llandderfel could give me the details of the occupants of the two Factories (Woollen mills) at Llandderfel. One of the factories was at Cefnddwysarn, Llandderfel.
Many thanks.
Elfed Owen.
There was a pedigree chart filed for Robert JONES of the Plas Aberllefenni,
Gentleman in the Parish of Tal y Llyn, and under his name there is a word
that looks like "Hebron" or "Hebran".
Robert lived from 1701 to 1780.
Would anyone know what this would mean?
I have been unable to locate his place of birth or marriage to Jane Owens.
Regards Jane McIntosh
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Does anyone have access to bishop transcripts for Ffestiniog for the time period 1836-1840? I am searching for marriage of John Morris to Elizabeth (possible Jones). John b 1811 and Elizabeth born 1818.
Herschuel Howell
Alwyn
Thanks for your generous offer re Ancestry 1861 lookups. Back to searching
for my elusive OwenWILLIAMS which I do realise may be like looking for a
needle in a haystack! However, please would you check 1861 Merionethshire
for
Owen WILLIAMS (aged abt 19 ), b Llanddwywe abt 1842, unmarried, probably an
ag lab/farmer.
I suspect he hasn't moved far from where he was born as he was living in the
Llanaber area at Bontddu in 1871 as a widower, having married a local girl
in Bontddu in1864. He was buried at Dyffryn in 1904.
Thank you in advance for your efforts!
Lizzie
Brisbane, Australia
FHS: Gwynedd #2991
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Has anyone else noticed that the census is incomplete for this district?
My family lived at 5 Incline Terrace. Census on Ancestry leaves off at 3 Incline Terrace (image 32) Is there anyone that can check this off Ancestry for me?
Evan Hughes b-1851
Elizabeth Hughes b-1849 Pwllheli
Evan Hughes b-1878 Festiniog
Kathryn Hughes b-1885 Festiniog
Griffith Hughes b-1887 Festiniog
Blodwen Hughes b-1891Festiniog
Thank You,
Janice Beeson