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Hi
You can purchase the Micro fiche/film from the PRO at
http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/
If you have any trouble navigating the site. Let me know and I will
see if I can help you.
Doreen
Hamilton, Canada.
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I've just received the British Data Archive (S & N Genealogical Supplies) 1891 census CDs for Meirionnydd & Caernarfonshire, & have placed an advanced order for 1841-71 for both counties. Although a very useful research tool, there are limitations. It seems that many of the images are taken from poor quality photocopies presumably printed out from microfiche. And the digitisation is not detailed enough to allow you to zoom in and see additional details, so often ages are difficult to discern. In the case of some parishes, such as Llanllyfni, much of the detail has been lost. That this is the fault of the copying process is apparent from the copy available of the Llanberis returns, where an exceptionally good copy changes within the same district into a poor copy.
Just a warning in case others are contemplating investing in the CDs! Despite this, as stated they're still a useful research resource. Does anyone know if the microfiches for 1841-71 & 1891 can be purchased (such as those in the record offices), which would probably be of better quality?
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Disregard my previous contribution! The relevant marriage is in the Ffestiniog reg. district, December 1871 quarter:-
Robert John Owens = Winefred Roberts.
The name Gwen was often anglicised to Winifred - or variants - in official documents.
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Free BMD seems more or less complete for the relevant period. The only possibility I can find, having searched Bala, Ffestiniog and Lancashire (many Welsh people from the north spent time in Liverpool during this period), is in the Bala reg. district, June quarter 1871 (which sounds right), i.e.:
Robert Owens & John Roberts = Gwen Hughes & Mary Jones.
There is no way from the Free BMD list of guaranteeing that Robert married Gwen, rather than Mary, so you'll have to check with the registrar. As to the inconsistency over Gwen's surname (Roberts or Hughes), perhaps this would be due to a patronym being dropped, or some other reason - surnames tended to be fluid in N.W.Wales even as late as this. The original certificate may help you decide whether this is the right marriage.
In a message dated 09/04/2004 19:02:27 GMT Daylight Time,
dd.jones(a)sympatico.ca writes:
Thought I would let you know that we have been in touch with Gareth
Hicks and he has kindly offered to put all our transcribed parishes
for Merionethshire on the Genuki website so that they can be shared
with everyone. Maybe this will encourage others to do the same.
Doreen & John
.
Thanks for your generosity, I'm sure that this will be a great help to
Merionethshire researchers. As Joyce Hind has already got some Merioneth census
transcriptions on GenUKI, and yours are shortly to be added - I shall ask Gareth
to transfer my transcriptions of Census and BT's to the same site too so
that they are all together on one site rather than spread over the internet.
.
Gareth has already put one of your transcriptions on line. The 1851 Census
of Betws Gwerfyl Goch can now be seen on:
.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MER/BettwsGwerfylGoch/index.html
.
All the best
.
Alwyn
Hi Alwyn
Thought I would let you know that we have been in touch with Gareth
Hicks and he has kindly offered to put all our transcribed parishes
for Merionethshire on the Genuki website so that they can be shared
with everyone. Maybe this will encourage others to do the same.
Doreen & John
Hamilton, Canada.
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I am looking for information about my gr gr grandfather
Robert Foulkes Evans b 1842 in Llanbedr, Merioneth.
He was married to Margaret Ann Owen b 1845 in
Llangefni, Anglesey. They had seven children
Ebenezer b. 1867 census has Manchester, Eng,
Catherine b. 1870 census has Llanbedr, Caer. Wales
Margaret b. 1874 (also census has Margaret., Mary,
Mary b. 1877 and Robert born in Llanbedr, Caer.)
Robert b. 1880 my gr grandfather m. Catherine M.Jarvis
Jennie?
Thomas killed in action 1917
My thanks to Gareth for all his efforts to help others searching for family
members. I look forward to looking in the Merionethshire in an attempt to find
my long lost relatives in the Bala area. Great job Gareth and many Thanks.
Ron
Hello Sallie
Reading through the archives again for March 2004, I think there are a few
possibilities for the relatives of ROBERT MORGAN(s) b1856 Llandrillo(1858
was a mistake).
1) He could be Jane Morgans b 1854 brother.
A lookup on the Llanuwchllyn / Llandrillo 1761/1871 census could perhaps
confirm it .
>Simon Jones (1858) born Llandrillo and Jane Morgans (1854) born
Llanuwchllyn. Simon and Jane were married in 1881>
2) ROBERT also called his first dau. JANE ... but what is throwing me at
the moment is you
giving her father as EDWARD MORGAN ... there is no naming of any Edward to
the present day but Robert is used many times in the four generations
since Robert Morgan..
3) Robert Morgan lived 2 Fairclough Terr. 1878 - 1883 and in 1902
Elizabeth Jones died
there .... Was she related? Who owned the house? Did she have him before
she married Simon Jones ?
Llandrillo Burials
>450. JONES, Elizabeth 2 Fairclough Terrace, Berwyn St bur 16 Jul 1917
age 80>
1871 census
>684. JONES, Simon Head 36 Farm Serv. b. Llandderfel
685. JONES, Elizabeth Wife 34 Labourer's wife b. Llanuwchllyn
686. JONES, Simon Son 12 Labourer's son b. Llanfawr>
Geoff Delves ref numbers.
I have searched and searched the 1881 for Morgans round Denbigh and
Merioneth but I cant seem to find any naming patterns to give me any
leads.....
Other census lookups would be very much appreciated.
Regards
Les. K.
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From: "Colin and Sallie Davies" <colin(a)cdavies63.fsnet.co.uk>
> I can help you out with your Elizabeth Jones query. The look up you found
> on the Llandrillo burials was very kindly done for me by Geoff Delves.
> Elizabeth Jones was the second husband of Simon Jones. They married at
> Capel Newydd ib 14.05.1866. Elizabeth was 30 at the time of the marriage,
> her address was given as Tymawr? Llanfor. Her father is given as John
> Jones.
>
> Simon Jones had been married before and had 4 children with his first wife
> Mary Williams. One of those children was Simon (1859) my husband's great
> grandfather. He married a Jane Morgans on 02.12.1881. Jane had had two
> children before she married Simon they were Margaret Morgans and David
> Morgans. I have some further information about these folk and will
gladly
> let you have all I know if you think they are the people you are looking
> for.
>
> Simon and Jane were living at 7 Fairclough Terrace in 1883 as that is
the
> address given on their son's (my husband's grandfather) birth certificate.
>
> Regards
> Sallie
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>While browsing the archives I came across the following from Geoff Delves.
9) Llandrillo Church Burials 1868-1920 :
> > 450. JONES, Elizabeth 2 Fairclough Terrace, Berwyn St bur 16 Jul
1917
age 80 >>
I am hoping that the Elizabeth Jones above is perhaps the mother of my
GGGrandfather ROBERT MORGAN(s) b1858 Llandrillo.
He married in 1878 and lived with his wife Ann, son James and dau. Jane b
Aug 1881 at 2 Fairclough Terrace Garthiaen Llandrillo until 1883.
I don't know if I am getting too optimistic but, I think there was a
MORGAN in Llandrillo who had a child before she married a JONES and with
the above Elizabeth living in the same house as my ROBERT MORGAN I was
wondering if anyone could help me out...
I cant order a birth cert. as I am not completely sure where he was actually
born.
On the 1881census he said Llandrillo but on the 1901 he says Denbigh in
Denbigh..>
I have been asked by Gareth Hicks to pass this message about the GenUKI
pages for north west Wales to the lists. Gareth has put a tremendous amount of
effort into the Wales, Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire, Carmarthenshire and
Glamorgan GenUKI pages - if he succeeds in making the Anglesey, Caernarfonshire and
Merionethshire pages just a quarter as good it will be a huge boost to
on-line family history research in this area, so I hope that as many listers as
possible will heed his request for help - Alwyn list admin
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Some listers at least will know I maintain/develop the Genuki pages for
WAL,CGN, CMN, PEM & GLA.
I will carry on doing so but thought I'd mention that for the next few
months things may be a little quiet on this front.
This is because I have now accepted some limited responsibility for the
additional counties of AGY, CAE, MER and MON.
It has long bothered me that these latter Genuki counties have no
maintainers and have consequently fallen a long way behind in development
terms than the others.
I am therefore going to spend some time on these, have just started with
AGY.
I have no particular knowledge of these counties or research interests in
them, neither do I subscribe to any lists that cover them. So, if any of you
do and see any opportunity to send me suitable material then please do.
Thanks for listening
Gareth
gareth(a)tytwp.demon.co.uk
List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM
Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/
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Hello there fellow searchers
I have been at the old brickwall with my MORGAN family and keep coming back for any clues I
might find... Tonight I am hoping I might have a breakthrough and
I would be very grateful for any help with the following:
While browsing the archives I came across the following from Geoff Delves.
snip > 9) Llandrillo Church Burials 1868-1920 :
> 450. JONES, Elizabeth 2 Fairclough Terrace, Berwyn St bur 16 Jul 1917 age 80 >
I am hoping that the Elizabeth Jones above is perhaps the mother of my GGGrandfather
ROBERT MORGAN(s) b1858 Llandrillo.
He married in 1878 and lived with his wife Ann, son James and dau. Jane b Aug 1881 at
2 Fairclough Terrace Garthiaen Llandrillo until 1883.
I don't know if I am getting too optimistic but, I think there was a MORGAN in Llandrillo who had a
child before she married a JONES and with the above Elizabeth living in the same house as my
ROBERT MORGAN I was wondering if anyone could help me out...
I cant order a birth cert. as I am not completely sure where he was actually born.
On the 1881census he said Llandrillo but on the1901 he says Denbigh in Denbigh..
Thanking you in anticipation of a reply.
Les K.
Hello there fellow searchers
I have been at the old brickwall with my MORGAN family and keep coming back for any clues I
might find... Tonight I am hoping I might have a breakthrough and
I would be very grateful for any help with the following:
While browsing the archives I came across the following from Geoff Delves.
snip > 9) Llandrillo Church Burials 1868-1920 :
> 450. JONES, Elizabeth 2 Fairclough Terrace, Berwyn St bur 16 Jul 1917 age 80 >
I am hoping that the Elizabeth Jones above is perhaps the mother of my GGGrandfather
ROBERT MORGAN(s) b1858 Llandrillo.
He married in 1878 and lived with his wife Ann, son James and dau. Jane b Aug 1881 at
2 Fairclough Terrace Garthiaen Llandrillo until 1883.
I don't know if I am getting too optimistic but, I think there was a MORGAN in Llandrillo who had a
child before she married a JONES and with the above Elizabeth living in the same house as my
ROBERT MORGAN I was wondering if anyone could help me out...
I cant order a birth cert. as I am not completely sure where he was actually born.
On the 1881census he said Llandrillo but on the1901 he says Denbigh in Denbigh..
Thanking you in anticipation of a reply.
Les K.
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the Saxons had a go at Wales the kingdom of Mercia ws the neighbour aand King Offa made a treaty
marked from the river Wye and Offa's Dyke as the national boundary
At one time the whole of Britain (island) was welsh speaking, except picts in Pictland to day invde by the Iriah celts and called Scotland
Brythonic is good google word
the Saxon invaders, along with Jutes and Angls named the place Wales meaning foriegners
The Vikings raided wales not doubt selling enslaved welsh in Dublin
The Irish sea was not a barrier but the freeway of the time
so culture came from North Africa -. coptic christianity to ireland and Wales
Gold mines made wales attractive to the Romans and Queen Elizabeth the second's wedding ring is made of WElsh gold
Judging by scandinavian place names the Vikings settled in Wales but were absorbed
Not much archeology for that
well get good book on Welh history - must be written by a welshman !
Only the Normans were sufficiently brutal to conqure wales
still a colony but slowly working towards infdependance
bringing back the Welsh language inschools for example
Hugh W
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Thank you very much for your very helpfull and prompt reply.
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then you need the archives
first
http://users.rootsweb.com/~wlsmer/FAQ/index.html
National Library of Wales
The National Library is a 'copyright library', and contains over 4 million printed volumes, as well
as manuscripts, archives, pictures, photographs, posters, ephemera, and audio
visual material. - the absolute top source for Welsh genealogy
but the very best stuff is in mss and old handwriting and not filmed
THEN
Many sets of official records were kept for England and Wales together.
For almost 500 years, Welsh government business has been conducted in London.
from Census FInder
Locating and using genealogy records are very similar for both countries. <<
before the start of church books or parish registers
so not much genealogy unless property owners or foriegners
the Romans were there
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=roman...http://www.webexcel.ndirect.co.uk/gwarnant/hanes/maps/maproman.htm
place names Cear- or Car-diff
from castra - a camp - chester in english place names
GO BRITANNIA! Wales: Wales History Timeline
.. The fierce resistance of the tribes in Wales meant that two out of the
three Roman legions in Britain were stationed on the Welsh borders. ...
www.britannia.com/celtic/wales/timeline/
bit like Aghansitan today tough and independant mountain people
The Roman invasion of Wales... was directed at the seat of druidical power in Wales, the Isle of Anglesey. According to the Roman historian Tacitus, the legionnaries doffed their clothes ...
www.britainexpress.com/wales/ history/roman-invasion.htm
so look for Tacitus
great Roman site http://www.roman-britain.org/places/mona.htm
Hugh W
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I am interested in finding information on Wales about 1450 if any is available. I believe my Selleck ancestors may have lived there prior to that period..