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Alwyn,
Seems to me old friend (and that's how much of us see you - even if we don't
know you!) that the list is kinda unanimous. You are more important to the
rest of us than any jerk giving you hassle. Please reconsider, as stated,
this is a hobby, not a matter of life and death, it's supposed to be fun.
Illegitemum non carburundum (feel free to correct me).
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlwynapHuw(a)aol.com>
To: <WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 12:18 AM
Subject: [MER] New List Administrator(s) Needed
>
> Some genealogy lists have dictatorial list administrators who lay down
strict
> list rules and "punish transgressors" by blocking them from posting to the
> list for a period for a first offence and permanently banning them from
the list
> for subsequent transgressions. There are at least four members of the
> northwest Wales list who have suffered this ultimate indignity. If I were
to break
> confidence and name them you would be shocked, because they are all
positive
> contributors to these lists.
>
> Other genealogy lists have laid-back admins who just let list members do
what
> ever the xxx they like. These lists are often full of rude and insulting
> messages but very few genuine family history queries, which are swept
aside by the
> vindictive and malicious postings.
>
> Since I have been responsible for the northwest Wales lists I have tried
to
> compromise between these two extremes, by neither laying down hard and
fast
> rules nor ignoring breaches of mailing list etiquette. My approach has
been to
> try to explain mailing list conventions and to try to engage those who are
> uncertain of the rational behind those conventions in a reasoned
discussion.
>
> My attempts to engage a rational discussion on the question of block
quoting
> previous mails on the WLS-Caernarfonshire list today have failed.
>
> I have been accused of telling those who disagree with me to "get off the
> road" and of "verbal diarrhoea" on list and most of the off-list messages
are
> unquotable. Four list members have unsubscribed as a direct result of the
> discussion, including the membership treasurer of the local FHS.
>
> I am not sure if the correct approach should have been to have come down
like
> a ton of bricks on those who breached the generally accepted mailing list
> norms regarding quoting or if I should have allowed digests to continue to
go out
> with 20 ancestry.com adverts and five repeats of the same old messages. It
is
> clear however that I should not have engaged in a discussion on the
subject.
>
> As my position as list administrator has been severely compromised over
this
> issue, as I have been foully insulted in response to my comments on the
issue
> and as I am not willing to preside over a split between list and FHS. I
intend
> to give up the list administration for Gwynedd, Anglesey, Caernarfonshire
and
> Merioneth.
>
> In order to pass the lists on tidily I need a volunteer (volunteers)
willing
> to take over the reigns - Stan perhaps?
>
> If Stan, or anybody else, is willing to take on the responsibility of list
> administration could they please let me know as soon as possible in order
to
> effect a smooth transfer?
>
> After the transfer I will not, of course, remain a member of the lists in
> order to "haunt" the new admin(s) like a list "Ted Heath to Mrs Thatcher".
>
> Regards
>
> Alwyn
>
>
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> Gwynedd FHS
> <http://www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/>
>
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>
>I was thrilled to pick up Volume 1 of T E Ellis's biography in good
condition for £2.50 in >a second-hand bookshop in Cardiff recently
>Gruff Rowlands
Dear Gruff
Is there anything mentioned about Tom's wife in your book.
In an extract of the "Strange Story of Sion Chapel", Bryneglwys it mentions
that my ancestor Jane daughter of Jane Jones and David Evans of Plas
Aberllefenni was related to Mrs Tom Ellis.
I have not as yet researched her line and was curious as to what the
connection nmay be.
Yours Aye
Jane McIntosh
Hello Alwyn,
Not having opened my Inbox for a couple of days, I have just finished going through all the messages on the above topic.
I, too, would be very sad to see you resign as List Administrator. You have been very helpful to me personally with several queries, and I notice, too, how you have responded knowledgeably to questions from other list members. I have learned a lot from you, as I am sure others have.
Please stay with us!
Enid. (Llan Ffestiniog)
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
Classification: Query
Message Board URL:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JiC.2ACE/227
Message Board Post:
I am looking for John Archibald Evans. He married Gwladys Williams. They have two kids. Shirley Evans Smith and Stuart John Evans. My mom, Gwyneth mable Jones Emmett is John's 1/2 sister. I need to inform them of her death. John is deceased also.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
Surnames: Jones
Classification: Query
Message Board URL:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JiC.2ACE/226
Message Board Post:
I'm looking for a Richard Jones who on the 1881 Census was living in Pontygwaith, Llanwonno, Glamorgan but his birth details (abt 1856) states born Cardigan. (no specific parish) He is dead by the 1901 census so I haven't got that to go on.
He married a Mary Hughes from Llanidloes in the parish church of Llanidloes in December 1877. On the marriage certificate it lists his father as being a Richard Hughes ( a leadminer) thought that surname must be a mistake???? It also says that Richard was residence in Ffestiniog at the time of marriage. Witnesses were a Mary Rowlands and David Morgan but i'm guessing these were from Llanidloes anyway.
any ideas as to where to look will be appreciated
Sian
Anthony Francis wrote:
>
> Dear Alwyn,
> I personally look upon you as a good friend who has been very helpful to
> me, as also do many others in this group, as you can see from the
> e-mailings.
> I can't recall seeing any unkind thoughts from anyone here.
[SNIP]
> Kindest regards, Tony in White Rock, B.C.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> >From: AlwynapHuw(a)aol.com
> >Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:18:31 EDT
> >Subject: [MER] New List Administrator(s) Needed
[SNIP]
> >As my position as list administrator has been severely compromised over this
> >issue, as I have been foully insulted in response to my comments on the issue
> >and as I am not willing to preside over a split between list and FHS. I
> >intend
> >to give up the list administration for Gwynedd, Anglesey, Caernarfonshire and
> >Merioneth.
[SNIP]
> >Regards
> >
> >Alwyn
Dear Alwyn,
I heartily endorse all the previous MER-list requests for you to stay.
Please don't throw the baby, MER, out with the bathwater, CAE.
Cheers,
Trevor (York,UK)
Hi All
I am just starting to transcribe the "1891 Census for Penrhyndeudraeth".
If anyone else is or has done it please let me know ASAP to save me unneccessary time.
If none has done the transcription previously and I do it myself I will let the list know how you may obtain a copy. A copy will also be made available to the Gwynedd FHS for their archives.
Best Wishes
Allan Hobbs
Penrith, Australia
Hobbs(a)pnc.com.au
Home Page
http://www.pnc.com.au/~hobbs/
Gwynedd Family History Society
36 Y Wern Y Felinheli, Gwynedd LL56 4TXX
Gwynedd.Roots(a)tesco.net or gwyneddroots(a)onetel.net.uk
================
Is there anything mentioned about Tom's wife in your book.
In an extract of the "Strange Story of Sion Chapel", Bryneglwys it mentions
that my ancestor Jane daughter of Jane Jones and David Evans of Plas
Aberllefenni was related to Mrs Tom Ellis.
==================
In O Llew Owain's Book "Tom Ellis Gwladgarwr a Gwleidydd" published in 1915
it says [my translation]
"An important day in his life was 1st June 1898, the day he married Miss A.J.
Davies daughter of R. J. Davies Esq. Cwrt Mawr and a sister of J.H. Davies MA
Esq. of Aberystwyth."
Mrs Tom Ellis was pregnant at the time of her husband's death in 1899, she
later gave birth to a son Thomas Iorwerth Ellis who was a renowned writer and
broadcaster. T.I. Ellis has daughter still living who is also a well known Welsh
writer and broadcaster Meg Ellis. If you would like to contact Meg to see if
she knows anything of her maternal grandmother's family she can be contacted
through Canolfan Bedwyr at Bangor University on
cbsc03(a)bangor.ac.uk
regards
Alwyn
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Dear Alwyn,
I would like to concur wholeheartedly with the remarks made by Mr Hogg.
As far as I can see, and I only subscribe to the Merioneth list, Alwyn has
and does work tirelessly and with enthusiasm in helping people like myself
who are interested in their heritage. I feel it would be a mistake to see
him go.
Please reconsider Alwyn - AND also the individuals who may have caused these
rifts.
Is there not room for compromise?
I hope so.
Gwyneth Jack
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I have led a sheltered life and have fortunately not encountered the
unpleasant people who have so soured the atmosphere for Alwyn. I cannot
imagine how
anyone could not be impressed and inspired by the scholarly and
public-spirited
way he has carried out his responsibilities. Having had much guidance from
Alwyn in the past, sought and unsought, I am appalled that he could be
driven to
give up and fervently hope that he will reconsider.
James Hogg
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Dear Alwyn, and fellow listers,
I'm one of the more silent members of this list and joined it some time ago
in pursuit of my wife's ancestry. Having just come across the news of this
recent spat I'm horrified to think that you could be driven to a position of
contemplating resignation. I have greatly valued the 'loose-reined'
management of the list, and the very valuable contribution that you make to
a wide range of enquiries. Also I wish to pay particular thanks for the
occasions that you have generously helped me in the past.
Alwyn, I do hope that you will reconsider your resignation as regards the
Merioneth list. It has come on a long way under your administration and is
always a source of pleasure and learning. It would be greatly appreciated
if you could be induced to continue to look after us.
Adrian C Whittaker,
in Gravesend, Kent
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlwynapHuw(a)aol.com>
To: <WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 12:18 AM
Subject: [MER] New List Administrator(s) Needed
> Some genealogy lists have dictatorial list administrators > As my position
as list administrator has been severely compromised over this ......snip
> Regards
>
> Alwyn
>
> ______________________________
This is all very silly and the perpetrators simply need to grow up and get a
life. This is supposed to be a hobby and should be treated accordingly.
I compare it to the haydays of CB radio when a dedicated group of people
used to monitor the channel 9 emergency channel only to be subjected to a
tirade of foul mouthed abuse from a group of brain dead morons. We simply
had to rise above it. Was it worth it ? I thought so when my dog was run
over and I needed a vet in a hurry.
Don't let a bunch of fools get to you Alwyn. Just remember that you can't
teach a pig to sing : It frustrates you and annoys the pig
Charles
I have led a sheltered life and have fortunately not encountered the
unpleasant people who have so soured the atmosphere for Alwyn. I cannot imagine how
anyone could not be impressed and inspired by the scholarly and public-spirited
way he has carried out his responsibilities. Having had much guidance from
Alwyn in the past, sought and unsought, I am appalled that he could be driven to
give up and fervently hope that he will reconsider.
James Hogg
Dear Alwyn,
Please do reconsider staying as List Administrator of the Merionethshire
List. I have not been on here for very long but it is obvious to me the esteem in
which you are held. I hope very much that you will stay.
Best wishes & Regards
Tricia Heseltine
Corfe Mullen, Dorset
tribobhes(a)aol.com
Hello Alwyn and M. Daines
I have a Watch/Clock Maker, Owen Thomas, born 1813 Caerhun, CAE. He was a
Watch/Clock Maker in the 1861 Census, at Glyn Dalyn, Ffestiniog. He died in 1866,
and by 1871-1901 his son, Richard Bonner Thomas and family were Watch/Clock
Makers on Bank Street, Porthmadoc, CAE. Is there any date on your Grandfather
Clock, to establish if this is the same Owen Thomas?
Thanks
Douglas Morris
California
Alwyn,
It was with a great deal of unhappiness I read of your decision to resign as
the list administrator. You have been a source of invaluable information with
your knowledge of Wales, the customs, and the language. I have always felt
that I would get answers when I contacted this list and it has been much
appreciated.
I wish you luck and hope sometime in the future you will decide to once again
participate and share the wealth of knowledge you possess. Is it such that
you would consider answering a private email?
Jane in Colorado
In common with the unanimus views expressed in the notes already recieved I hope that Alwyn can be persuaded to stay.He is the heart and soul of this Society and we are very grateful to him for the kind and generous assistance he has given us.I am sure that I also express the sentiments of the silent members who have read and valued his comments and discussions.
Gruff Rowlands
Having been terrified by a grandfather clock in the passage of my
grandmother's house as a child, they are not things which I take a great interest in, so
can anybody else help with this query received from Mr Daines of Hemel
Hempstead?
======================
I am not sure if you can help me. I purchased a splendid grandfather clock a
couple of years ago and on the face is the name
Owen Thomas Festiniog (only one f) and I am wondering if it could be the
same Owen Thomas that has come up on my Web search, that gave your email
address via WLS-Caernarfonshire-L Archives. If you can give me any further details
I would be much appreciated. Thank you. Martin Daines. Hemel Hempstead,
Herts.
m.daines(a)tinyworld.co.uk
=======================
regards
Alwyn
Alwyn,
I only subscribe to the Merionethshire list an have been unaware of your
problems. I for one am very grateful for your help on the Merionethshire
list and hope that you can be persuaded to stay as its administrator.
Regards
Chris Watson
Dear Alwyn
I, too, only subscribe to the Merioneth list so am very surprised at all
this! I have much appreciated your help and hope you will stay - at least
on this one.
Joy
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Rowlands" <drowlan1(a)bigpond.net.au>
To: <WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MER] New List Administrator(s) Needed
> Annwyl Alwyn
>
> I participate only in the Meirionydd list among those you administer and I
> am unaware of the fuss to which you refer (diolch I Dduw!) but my
sentiments
> are very much with David Evan Roberts.
>
> Cofion
>
> David
> Canberra
>
> > Alwynap
> > As far as I'm concerned you've done a great job. I value your deep
> > knowledge of matters Welsh. Please stay.
> > David Evan Roberts
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <AlwynapHuw(a)aol.com>
> > To: <WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 12:18 AM
> > Subject: [MER] New List Administrator(s) Needed
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Some genealogy lists have dictatorial list administrators who lay down
> > strict
> >> list rules and "punish transgressors" by blocking them from posting to
the
> >> list for a period for a first offence and permanently banning them from
> > the list
> >> for subsequent transgressions. There are at least four members of the
> >> northwest Wales list who have suffered this ultimate indignity. If I
were
> > to break
> >> confidence and name them you would be shocked, because they are all
> > positive
> >> contributors to these lists.
> >>
> >> Other genealogy lists have laid-back admins who just let list members
do
> > what
> >> ever the xxx they like. These lists are often full of rude and
insulting
> >> messages but very few genuine family history queries, which are swept
> > aside by the
> >> vindictive and malicious postings.
> >>
> >> Since I have been responsible for the northwest Wales lists I have
tried
> > to
> >> compromise between these two extremes, by neither laying down hard and
> > fast
> >> rules nor ignoring breaches of mailing list etiquette. My approach has
> > been to
> >> try to explain mailing list conventions and to try to engage those who
are
> >> uncertain of the rational behind those conventions in a reasoned
> > discussion.
> >>
> >> My attempts to engage a rational discussion on the question of block
> > quoting
> >> previous mails on the WLS-Caernarfonshire list today have failed.
> >>
> >> I have been accused of telling those who disagree with me to "get off
the
> >> road" and of "verbal diarrhoea" on list and most of the off-list
messages
> > are
> >> unquotable. Four list members have unsubscribed as a direct result of
the
> >> discussion, including the membership treasurer of the local FHS.
> >>
> >> I am not sure if the correct approach should have been to have come
down
> > like
> >> a ton of bricks on those who breached the generally accepted mailing
list
> >> norms regarding quoting or if I should have allowed digests to continue
to
> > go out
> >> with 20 ancestry.com adverts and five repeats of the same old messages.
It
> > is
> >> clear however that I should not have engaged in a discussion on the
> > subject.
> >>
> >> As my position as list administrator has been severely compromised over
> > this
> >> issue, as I have been foully insulted in response to my comments on the
> > issue
> >> and as I am not willing to preside over a split between list and FHS. I
> > intend
> >> to give up the list administration for Gwynedd, Anglesey,
Caernarfonshire
> > and
> >> Merioneth.
> >>
> >> In order to pass the lists on tidily I need a volunteer (volunteers)
> > willing
> >> to take over the reigns - Stan perhaps?
> >>
> >> If Stan, or anybody else, is willing to take on the responsibility of
list
> >> administration could they please let me know as soon as possible in
order
> > to
> >> effect a smooth transfer?
> >>
> >> After the transfer I will not, of course, remain a member of the lists
in
> >> order to "haunt" the new admin(s) like a list "Ted Heath to Mrs
Thatcher".
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Alwyn
> >>
> >>
> >> ==== WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE Mailing List ====
> >> MERIONETH LINKS
> >> Gwynedd FHS
> >> <http://www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/>
> >>
> >> ==============================
> >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy
records,
> > go to:
> >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ==== WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE Mailing List ====
> > MERIONETH LINKS
> > Gwynedd Archives
> > <http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/english/links.htm>
> >
> > ==============================
> > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy
records, go
> > to:
> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
> >
>
>
> ==== WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE Mailing List ====
> MERIONETH LINKS
> Merionethshire GENUKI Index
> <http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MER/>
>
> ==============================
> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records,
go to:
> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
>
>
Dear Alwyn:
I have been a member of many, many mail lists since I came online in December
1997 and have seen the negative effects of shortsighted, dictatorial
administrators who won't allow even genealogically relevant information on the lists
they manage. I have appreciated your more relaxed attitude and also your wide
and deep knowledge of Wales and the Welsh and your willingness to share your
knowledge. I hope you change your mind and stay as list administrator.
Jayne
perllan987(a)aol.com