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Greetings Tony:
Well, the way those ROBERTS of mine married ROBERTS there is no telling if
there is an extended family out there somewhere. I am afraid I am just now
going into my ROBERTS line of the tree. My Grandfather was a Thomas HUGHES
from Anglesey, who married a Laura ROBERTS from Portmadoc. Now...going back
and looking for Laura ROBERTS family has led me to a nightmare I finally have
narrowed my ROBERTS as being indeed from Machynlleth.........originally.
Ellis ROBERTS married a Margaret Charles.........they had son, William
ROBERTS born in 1850..who married a Jane ROBERTS from Portmadoc........had
children........William.....now the date of your William almost
matches.....but.....William was born in Portmadoc as with the rest of the
siblings. Robert, Kate, Ellen Jane, Laura, Ellis and Margaret..which might be
Kate....am not 100% on that one. I am including a link to my website..for any
who wish to check and see if any of the names and dates fit their trees.
Please take a look....oh yes, you will find tons of French names there also,
...that is my mom's side of the tree. My dad was Welsh, and it is his side
giving me nightmares! Please look at the site and let me know <A HREF="http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes?userid=welshroots">TribalPages:
Lynn family tree</A>
Subject: ROBERTS in Machynlleth (was Quiet List)
Hi Lynn.
My grandfather, Owen Roberts born 22 May 1881 in Nebo, Llanrwst,
Denbighshire, son of Owen and Margaret Roberts of Brynbras Bach, Capel
Garmon, Llanrwst, began his career as a solicitor's clerk in Machynlleth
and later became an auctioneer. He adopted the name Maldwyn Roberts to
distinguish himself from another Owen Roberts in his office. With these
attachments to Montgomery, I have long wondered if he might have had
extended family in that area. His siblings were
David b.1870, Robert O.b.1871, John F.b.1875, William b.1877, Maurice b.1880.
- a very long shot, I know.
Cheers, Tony
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>From: WaterDwellers22(a)aol.com
>Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:24:32 EST
>Subject: [MER] Quiet List
>X-Mailing-List: <WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com> archive/latest/854
>Yes, was thinking of ending my subscription to list, because it is so quiet.
>Anyway, am researching the following names:
>HUGHES, JONES, WILLIAMS, and Lloyd of Anglesey.........around the time of mid
>1800s to late 1800s. These were farmers to the best of my knowledge.
>ROBERTS.........and CHARLES who were from Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire
>.........they were tailors, shoemakers, and drapers
>Not really sure but think my ROBERTS traveled a lot.
>Hope someone will reply and tell me if this came through the list.
>Thanks,
>Lynn
Hi John and Doreen and all
Many thanks for this information about Harvey RAWLES and family in Corwen
1891 census it was really helpful.
I had looked up the 1901 census which shows ...
Harvey Rawles still in Corwen but with a wife Margaret 40 (born in
Liverpool) plus Lily (St Martins Shropshire), Catherine 8, Margaret 6,
Frances 4 and Ada 1 all born in Corwen.
I did a search for Robert but could not find him.
The FreeBMD under Marriages March 1889 shows a Harvey RAWLES marrying in
Auckland, County Durham(Coundon is only few miles away from Bishop
Auckland ) I do not know who he married yet.
Looking in Free BMD for births I found:
Emily Annie RAWLES born 1891 in Corwen,
Catherine born 1893,
Walter born and died 1894,
Margaret born 1895.
There is a also a mystery - Annie Rawles aged 25 died in Corwen Sept 1891.
She could be Harvey's sister born in Bere Regis, Dorset, as was Harvey.
I don't think she can be his first wife!!!
Can anyone help please with Annie and/or perhaps Robert who would have been
15 in 1901?
Best wishes
Joy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doreen Jones" <dd.jones(a)sympatico.ca>
To: <WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MER] Corwen area late 1800s
> Hi Joy
>
> Don't give up. This looks like this might be him living at Plas
> Cedyrn - from the 1891 Census for Corwen, Merioneth. Looks like they
> might have been in Shropshire before that as the one year old was born
> there. Can't help you with Shropshire I'm afraid. You should be able
> to find them on the 1881 which is online. Were they still there in
> 1901? We have the fiche for 1901 but we haven't transcribed it as of
> yet.
>
> Trewyn Mer Plas Cedyrn Harvey RAWLES Head M 35 1856 Gamekeeper
> D.......? Dorset Eng
> Trewyn Mer Plas Cedyrn Anna ? RAWLES Wife M 22 1869 Coundon Durm
> Eng
> Trewyn Mer Plas Cedyrn Robert RAWLES Son S 5 1886 Coundon Durm Eng
> Trewyn Mer Plas Cedyrn Lily U. RAWLES Daughter S 1 1890 Gl........as?
> Salop Eng
>
> John & Doreen
> Hamilton, Canada.
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Happy New Year all,
Thanks to all for your help advice & enthusiasm last year. More fishing trips;
Evan Thomas (b. Cynwyd/Gwyddelwern 1837 married to Ann (formerly Evans, b. Llandderfel 1834). Living in Corwen 1871 onwards.
Edward Williams (b. Gwyddelwern 1830)/Elizabeth Williams (formerly Morris, b. Llanarmon GC 1835). Living in Corwen 1871/81.
John Williams (son of above, b. Corwen around 1865) Possibly moved to Lancashire as carter or coal merchant by 1901)
Sarah Davies (future wife of John Jones, Llandrillo) b. Wrexham around 1833. Lived in Llandrillo & Bersham.
Thomas Griffiths (b. Cerrigydrudion around 1797, a master tailor)/Jane Griffiths (wife b. Llandrillo or Llandderfel around 1810) Living in Llandrillo 1841- 1871.
Catherine Griffiths (daughter of above b. Llandrillo 1830/1 : possibly became Catherine Davies:possibly living in Ruabon in 1881 [widowed innkeeeper]).
Sarah Griffiths (daughter to Thomas above, b. Llandrillo 1850). Nothing else known.
Happy to hear from any connections.
Graham Jones.
Hi,
I have been searching for information on the marriage of Robert Edwards (b. 1809) in Llwynon, Twp. of Cowarch, Parish of Llanymawddwy, Wales, and and Laura Evans (b. 1810).
Family history says they lost a child at sea on the journey to PA. I have them in the 1840 census for Cambria Co., PA., but nothing before that date. According to Robert's Declaration of Intention to become a US Citizen, he said he that he was born in Montgomeryshire, in Wales, and sailed from Liverpool. I have not been able to find any record of their journey.
Would appreciate any suggestions on where to look in Wales for marriage records.
Martha
-----Original Message-----
From: AlwynapHuw(a)aol.com [SMTP:AlwynapHuw@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:24 PM
To: WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [MER] Re: Me again!
In a message dated 15/01/2003 09:58:24 GMT Standard Time,
mike.barrow(a)ntlworld.com writes:
> Alwyn,
> You have now given me my GGGgrandfather, Hugh Barrow and his wife Margaret
> (nee Robert), their son, Hugh was born in 1816. and christened at
> Dolgellau. This is the first confirming link of my family to your part of
> the world.
> I actually don't want you to look anything up for me specifically, but I
> would ask where, in your opinion, I should look for some sort of
> documentation re the marriage of Hugh and Margaret. Is there a book, CD,
> fiche or something that I could buy to get me that info? Or is there an
> authority that I could buy copies of the relevant documents from? The
> reason for this questioning is that I am unable to get to
> Llanelltyd/Dolgellau until the summer and I simply can't wait that long!!!
> Finally, I have to say again that you help for me has been outstanding!
> You are a (lazy) family historian's dream!!!
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
Unfortunately there are not many Books, CD's, Fiches or other resources
published for Merioneth Family Historians in comparison to other counties.
The Family History Society has published a number of records of grave stones
which gives good coverage of the area (at a guess I would say that about 75%
of cemeteries have been transcribed) however the percentage of people who had
Memorials erected to them in Merionethshire appears to be very low.
Another important publication by the FHS is the Merioneth Marriage Index,
which is published in two parts 1754-1812 and 1813-1837. These list all the
marriages in the Parish Churches in the county during these periods.
The National Library of Wales will provide copies of the Bishop's Transcripts
for the different parishes on microfiche, these are good value for money if
your family is concentrated in one parish, but if they are spread out over a
number of parishes buying them all could prove expensive. The fiche for
Llanelltyd, for example costs £30.40, however your Hugh and Margaret decided
to get married in Dolgellau, one of the most expensive places in
Merionethshire at over £80 :-((
Do you know if there is an LDS Family History Centre near to you? A complete
list of where such centres are situated can be found from the Familysearch
website:
<http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp>
these Centres are owned and run by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints (Mormons), but you don't have to be a Mormon to use the facilities and
they don't use the facility to try to persuade people to join their church
either.
If do have an LDS centre convenient it is probably your best bet for doing
research without visiting Merionethshire; as the centres can request copies
of census returns, church records and other documents from all over the world
for your research.
A word of warning, the Barrows probably brought their surname into Llanelltyd
from England or the border counties and may have used it for generations (I
think that the Norman de Barrie family who gave their name to Barry Island,
became Barrow in later years). Margaret Robert, on the other hand will not be
the daughter of a man with the Surname Roberts, she will be the daughter of a
man who's first name is Robert. She may never have used the surname Barrow
and if you look for a death record for her or a will she may still be known
as Margaret Robert on those. People not used to doing genealogy in north west
Wales have often been frustrated by not knowing to expect this.
Good hunting
Alwyn
http://dolgellau.me.uk
Hello
Do you have some detail re your Roberts in Machynlleth?
David Roberts
----- Original Message -----
From: <WaterDwellers22(a)aol.com>
To: <WLS-MERIONETHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:24 PM
Subject: [MER] Quiet List
> Yes, was thinking of ending my subscription to list, because it is so
quiet.
> Anyway, am researching the following names:
> HUGHES, JONES, WILLIAMS, and Lloyd of Anglesey.........around the time of
mid
> 1800s to late 1800s. These were farmers to the best of my knowledge.
> ROBERTS.........and CHARLES who were from Machynlleth,
> Montgomeryshire.........they were tailors, shoemakers, and drapers. Not
> really sure but think my ROBERTS traveled a lot.
> Hope someone will reply and tell me if this came through the list.
> Thanks,
> Lynn
>
>
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Hello List
I am a new subscriber and until the last couple of days thought I was the
only one!
My great Uncle Harvey RAWLES (or similar spelling we can never be sure)
worked as a gamekeeper in Corwen and I believe had children there.
Any information would be most welcome.
Regards
Joy Williams
In a message dated 15/01/2003 09:58:24 GMT Standard Time,
mike.barrow(a)ntlworld.com writes:
> Alwyn,
> You have now given me my GGGgrandfather, Hugh Barrow and his wife Margaret
> (nee Robert), their son, Hugh was born in 1816. and christened at
> Dolgellau. This is the first confirming link of my family to your part of
> the world.
> I actually don't want you to look anything up for me specifically, but I
> would ask where, in your opinion, I should look for some sort of
> documentation re the marriage of Hugh and Margaret. Is there a book, CD,
> fiche or something that I could buy to get me that info? Or is there an
> authority that I could buy copies of the relevant documents from? The
> reason for this questioning is that I am unable to get to
> Llanelltyd/Dolgellau until the summer and I simply can't wait that long!!!
> Finally, I have to say again that you help for me has been outstanding!
> You are a (lazy) family historian's dream!!!
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
Unfortunately there are not many Books, CD's, Fiches or other resources
published for Merioneth Family Historians in comparison to other counties.
The Family History Society has published a number of records of grave stones
which gives good coverage of the area (at a guess I would say that about 75%
of cemeteries have been transcribed) however the percentage of people who had
Memorials erected to them in Merionethshire appears to be very low.
Another important publication by the FHS is the Merioneth Marriage Index,
which is published in two parts 1754-1812 and 1813-1837. These list all the
marriages in the Parish Churches in the county during these periods.
The National Library of Wales will provide copies of the Bishop's Transcripts
for the different parishes on microfiche, these are good value for money if
your family is concentrated in one parish, but if they are spread out over a
number of parishes buying them all could prove expensive. The fiche for
Llanelltyd, for example costs £30.40, however your Hugh and Margaret decided
to get married in Dolgellau, one of the most expensive places in
Merionethshire at over £80 :-((
Do you know if there is an LDS Family History Centre near to you? A complete
list of where such centres are situated can be found from the Familysearch
website:
<http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp>
these Centres are owned and run by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints (Mormons), but you don't have to be a Mormon to use the facilities and
they don't use the facility to try to persuade people to join their church
either.
If do have an LDS centre convenient it is probably your best bet for doing
research without visiting Merionethshire; as the centres can request copies
of census returns, church records and other documents from all over the world
for your research.
A word of warning, the Barrows probably brought their surname into Llanelltyd
from England or the border counties and may have used it for generations (I
think that the Norman de Barrie family who gave their name to Barry Island,
became Barrow in later years). Margaret Robert, on the other hand will not be
the daughter of a man with the Surname Roberts, she will be the daughter of a
man who's first name is Robert. She may never have used the surname Barrow
and if you look for a death record for her or a will she may still be known
as Margaret Robert on those. People not used to doing genealogy in north west
Wales have often been frustrated by not knowing to expect this.
Good hunting
Alwyn
http://dolgellau.me.uk
Ellis ROBERTS born in Machynlleth ........married Margaret CHARLES who was
born in 1826 Marriage Date was December 15.1843
Son William Born May 13, 1850, who married Jane ROBERTS, William was a Tailor
Journeyman...Jane ROBERTS his wife was born in 1851 in Tremadoc, Caernarvon,
Wales and died July 26.1921. They had children.....Margaret ROBERTS born 1874
William ROBERTS born 1875
Laura born 1877-whom was my Grandmother. She married Thomas HUGHES from
Bodedern, Anglesey Wales and later emigrated to the USA and settled in Oneida
County had a son, Stanley Ellis HUGHES , my dad in 1914. Laura died in 1918
Ellis ROBERTS who later settled in Kent, but was born in Portmadoc
Ellen Jane ROBERTS who was known in 1918 to be still in Portmadoc.
Ellen Jane ROBERTS was born January 01.1880 . I am afraid this is all I have
at the moment, but know it is a start. It seems like I had mentioned before
that Ellis was a Tailor, Margaret CHARLES, a Draper, and her father David
CHARLES was a Shoemaker......
Afraid this is all I have.
Warmest Regards,
Lynn, USA
Hi Joy
Don't give up. This looks like this might be him living at Plas
Cedyrn - from the 1891 Census for Corwen, Merioneth. Looks like they
might have been in Shropshire before that as the one year old was born
there. Can't help you with Shropshire I'm afraid. You should be able
to find them on the 1881 which is online. Were they still there in
1901? We have the fiche for 1901 but we haven't transcribed it as of
yet.
Trewyn Mer Plas Cedyrn Harvey RAWLES Head M 35 1856 Gamekeeper
D.......? Dorset Eng
Trewyn Mer Plas Cedyrn Anna ? RAWLES Wife M 22 1869 Coundon Durm
Eng
Trewyn Mer Plas Cedyrn Robert RAWLES Son S 5 1886 Coundon Durm Eng
Trewyn Mer Plas Cedyrn Lily U. RAWLES Daughter S 1 1890 Gl........as?
Salop Eng
John & Doreen
Hamilton, Canada.
<PRE>Hello WaterDwellers, Thanks for your reply. I'm sorry I can't help you with
your search as I know nothing abouth the people you mention. I, myself, am
trying to find out about a John Edwards born in Llan..pthy, Merionethshire,
in about 1837, but I don't suppose you know anything about him. Never mind,
perhaps if we talk among ourselves someone else who knows may join in!!
Regards Judith
Yes, was thinking of ending my subscription to list, because it is so quiet.
Anyway, am researching the following names:
HUGHES, JONES, WILLIAMS, and Lloyd of Anglesey.........around the time of mid
1800s to late 1800s. These were farmers to the best of my knowledge.
ROBERTS.........and CHARLES who were from Machynlleth,
Montgomeryshire.........they were tailors, shoemakers, and drapers. Not
really sure but think my ROBERTS traveled a lot.
Hope someone will reply and tell me if this came through the list.
Thanks,
Lynn
<PRE>Hello all, This is a very quiet list! Apart from one unusual email from
mike.barrow I have not yet picked up any messages!! One of my e-mails via
admin was answered, but I am not getting any replies to emails I send out
otherwise - not even getting my own back automatically. I have checked with
my ISP and I don't think the problem lies at my end - at least I've checked
everything I can think of. Any suggestions? Regards, judith
Hi Alwyn,
There is an address in modern Trawsfynydd called Bro Islyn (is llyn?). Could there have been, in ancient times, a similar address?
Arfor (Criccieth)
<PRE>Hi Alwyn, you'll be pleased to know that this email, sent to the list, has
come back to me. However, the email I sent you (by reply) a few minutes
earlier has not been returned. Strange! Judith
Hello Alwyn, Thanks for your email. I was pleased to have the list of
parishes. I have been wondering how the word Llan...pthy came to be written
in this way and have come up with this possibility: The census was taken in
Cheshire so perhaps the clerk who was gathering the information did not know
enough Welsh to clearly understand what birth-place name had been spoken. The
beginning of the word - Llan - would have been familiar enough to write down
correctly, but for the ending of it the clerk may have just written something
corresponding to the sound that had been heard. With this in mind I looked
at the parishes again and I think there is one which has an ending which
could be written as ... pthy by a non-Welsh speaker - Llanmawddwy. Is
that a possibility, do you think? Judith
In the 1851 on-line Transcription of Trawsfynydd Census I found this:
164 Hislin MORRIS; William Head M 59 Agric Labourer MER, Trawsfynydd
164 Hislin MORRIS; Elizabeth Wife M 48 MER, Trawsfynydd
This William is probably the son of my 4 x Great Grandparents Morris ELLIS
and Ann JONES, his wife.
In the Bishop's Transcripts for Trawsfynydd 1826 I have:
Baptisms
15 Oct; Mary daughter of William MORRIS & Elizabeth OWEN, Islington, Labourer
As there are other references to Islington in the Transcripts I assume that
Islington is a place in Trawsfynydd and not the case of a London exile coming
home to Christen his child. I also suspect that the William & Elizabeth of
Hislin 1851 are the same people as the William and Elizabeth of Islington
1826
Do any list members with a better knowledge of Traws than myself know where
either Islington or Hislin are, and if both are likely to be variations on
the same name? {(H)ISLIN(GTON)}
All the best
Alwyn
http://dolgellau.me.uk
In a message dated 13/01/2003 20:56:08 GMT Standard Time,
Judithcevans(a)aol.com writes:
>
>
> Hello everyone, I have just joined this list. I am hoping to learn
> something about one of my ancestors called John Edwards. According to
> family
> knowledge and the 1881 census, he was born in 1837 in Merionethshire in a
> place given as Llan...pthy on the census. I have been unable to find where
>
> this place is and would be glad if someone recognises it. Thanks, Judith.
>
>
Hello Judith,
This is particularly difficult to work out from the LDS transcription:
12 The Grove Poulton Cum Seacombe, Cheshire, England
John EDWARDS Head M Male 44 Llan...pthy, Merioneth, Wales Commercial
Clerk
Margaret EDWARDS Wife M Female 40 Pwllhet, Caernarvon, Wales
Margaret is probably from Pwllheli, the trouble with John's birthplace is
that Merionethshire has 34 parishes, 23 of which start with LLAN but none of
which clearly ends in PTHY.
The most likely candidates are Llanymawddwy or Llanddwywe or possibly
Llanuwchlyn.
If you go to this URL
<A HREF="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/5538/localities.britisles.england...">Cheshire board</A>
You will find the Ancestry message board for Cheshire which is linked to the
Cheshire Rootsweb list. If you ask there you might find somebody who is able
to look at the census fiche and give a second opinion on the name written.
If it is any help here is a full list of all the Llan's in Merionethshire
Llanaber ; Llanbedr ; Llandanwg ; Llandderfel ; Llanddwywe ; Llandecwyn
; Llandrillo ; Llanegryn ; Llanelltyd ; Llanenddwyn ; Llanfachreth ;
Llanfair ; Llanfihangel-y-Pennant ; Llanfihangel-y-Traethau ; Llanfor ;
Llanfrothen ; Llangar ; Llangelynnin ; Llangower ; Llansantffraid
Glyndyfrdwy ; Llanuwchllyn ; Llanycil ; Llanymawddwy ;
All the best
Alwyn
http://dolgellau.me.uk
Hello all
Could I remind Gwynedd FHS members that the closing date for articles to be included in the April issue of the journal should be in by 31st January. I've one or two interesting articles with a military connection so I'm going to include a 'Military Corner' this time so if any of you have something of interest to add then please send it along (post or e-mail). The more articles we have the more interesting the journal becomes so I look forward to hearing from you.
For those of you near enough to pay a visit, don't forget the BBC Family History Roadshow at the Celtic Royal Hotel in Caernarfon tomorrow from 10 until 4pm
Best regards
Yvonne