Hi Trevor,
Thanks for your response. I haven't got this exact year of birth,
through documents I have sumised it was 1873, the date was 10 June.
There is no reference to his grand division. So, what I do have is;
full name; Thomas Arnold Francis Williams - Generally known as Thomas
Williams
DOB; 10/6/circa 1873
DOD; 18/7/1929 Wynnum South, Queensland, Australia. I have the death
certificate so know this is correct.
Father; Francis Williams
Mother; Mary Williams nee Woolley
Place of birth; Could be Monmouth or Pwllheli, though I suspect
Monmouth. I have searched all lists I could get access too for a
marriage, birth or death but can't find any association of the three
people above. The legend had it that Thomas mother, Mary died in child
birth, so 10 June circa 1873. I can't find her death. The other part of
this legend is that he was subsequently raised by two spinster aunts
and ran away to sea around the age of 10. This is hard to
prove/disprove until I can establish his DOB parents details.
Date enlisted; unknown - before 1888 as the HMS Boadicea was
commissioned 1888.
Date discharged; unknown - after 1890, before 1898. ( He was employed
in the Melanesian Mission 1898-1903 and I have him fairly well
accounted for up to his death in 1929. Really everything prior 1898 is
a bit of a mystery)
Ship; HMS Boadicea
I'm becoming suspicious about his association in the RN or RM. I have a
1890 battle of Witu medal inscribed T.Williams, PTE. RMHMS Boadicea
however I'm feeling he may not have been the RM who received the medal
but perhaps a sailor who obtained the medal by some means. In a resume
he wrote in 1924 he stated he had served in the RN as a boy and a man,
suggesting he may have joined as a lad of 10 years or so but this is
speculation on my part.
The more I look into him the more I feel he is not the man he said he
was.
Are you still able to help?
kind regards
Ion
On 02/11/2006, at 5:01 PM, wls-gwynedd-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote:
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Has anyone had experience in tracking a Welsh lad
whojoined the Royal Navy Marines? (trevor.james)
2. Carnarvon Traders Updated. (Keith Morris)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:24:00 +0000
From: "trevor.james" <trevor.james(a)virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [GWYNEDD] Has anyone had experience in tracking a Welsh
lad whojoined the Royal Navy Marines?
To: wls-gwynedd(a)rootsweb.com
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Ion Williams wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'm having difficulty locating any information on my grandfather who
> served in the Royal Navy Marines. I believe he lived in Pwllheli prior
> to joining the Royal Navy Marines, perhaps as a lad of 10 years or so.
> I have very little information on him and have employed a professional
> researcher to look through the records in Kew however even with his
> name rank, ship he served on and a battle he was in it is proving
> extremely difficult to find anything even in official records.
> Unfortunately I don't have his service number which would identify
> him.
> I hope someone can point me in the right direction.
>
> kind regards
Dear Ion,
It may be possible to get more information on your grandfather, but
could we have dates for:
His birth & death
His joining & leaving dates for the Royal Marines?
Even very approximate dates would help - as would his name & rank.
Ship's name is *imperative* for Royal Naval personnel, but for Royal
Marine personnel it's the (Grand) Division that's all-important.
BTW, although the RM are part of the Royal Navy, they are *never*
called
"Royal Navy Marines" <G>.
Hope this (will) help,
Trevor
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:42:10 -0000
From: "Keith Morris" <keith(a)morris5199.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: [GWYNEDD] Carnarvon Traders Updated.
To: <WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
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Hi,
News snippets from the Carnarvon & Denbigh Herald for 1892 have now
been added to the "News Room" & "Traders' Obituaries," which
can be
found in the Miscellaneous Section at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/
Regards,
Keith.
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Cheers
Ion