An interesting point Ian and one that would satisfy me if I was looking for
a William Griffith. However, my individual is William Jones, son of John
Williams, Blacksmith. I know this for a fact and the date listed in the BT's
is pretty accurate as is Llanfair.
regards
Geraint
----- Original Message -----
From: "I Thompson" <joscyn(a)hotmail.com>
To: <wls-gwynedd(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [GWYNEDD] Llanfair juxta Harlech
Dear list,
I hope that no one minds me disagreeing with the statement below that
Griffith was William's middle name. It wouldn't be the first time that a
child is on record as having a name of, for example a grandparent or
great-grandparent. In other words, of patronymics "skipping a
generation".
For examples see back issues of "Gwynedd Roots" and also the Pen Lon
Chapel registers contain numerous examples.
Very few people had middle names in Wales at this time and almost all of
those from the middle and gentry classes. There were exceptions though in
the "lower orders" if you'll pardon my jocular use of that phrase - my own
gt gt grandmother was Jane Goodman before marriage and Jane Goodman Jones
after her marriage to Evan Solomon Jones. Not quite the same but similar.
Use of 3 or more stem patronymics also means that the working man or
yeoman might appear to have a middle name (but in fact, of course it is
anything but - actually more a surname).
Equally, the numerous male children of a New York methodist, James Owen
(see
Rhiw.com for some background) all carried the middle initial "J".
The adoption of a middle name evidently commoner in the USA than in Wales
at this time. They were however only baptised with one name. The "J" in
each case, I can only assume, stands for "James" in the true patronymic
fashion. Obadiah James Owen, Nehemiah James Owen &c &c.
So for a father of John Williams, blacksmith, one need look no further
than a William Griffith(s), I would think. Now which one of the hundreds
I don't know but I am sure a diligent search would put the matter
straight - one though, like yourself, I am not able to carry out!
Yours,
Ian
London SW9> From: wls-gwynedd-request(a)rootsweb.com> Subject: WLS-GWYNEDD
Digest, Vol 2, Issue 24> To: wls-gwynedd(a)rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr
2007 01:04:34 -0600> > > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Llanfair Juxta
Harlech
(Geraint L. Jones)> 2. Re: Llanfair Juxta Harlech (Doreen Jones)> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------->
> Message: 1> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:41:12 +0100> From: "Geraint L.
Jones" <geraintllew(a)yahoo.co.uk>> Subject: [GWYNEDD] Llanfair Juxta
Harlech> To: <WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com>> Message-ID:
<002a01c779f4$56663b30$0301a8c0@YOUR74C82E1E6>> Content-Type: text/plain;
format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > For a
long
time I have been looking for the baptism of William Jones around> 1810-12,
Father John Williams (Blacksmith) Following a look at the BT's for>
Harlech, I found the following entry.> Bap. William Griffith, son of John
Williams Blacksmith and Margaret Jones> his wife - llanfair 4/8/1810.> It
!
seems too much of a coincidence that this isn't my William Jones but I>
can't quite fathom out the William Griffith bit. Also, under marriages
there> was an entry which again was confusing:> Mar. John William widower
and Margaret Jones, spinster were married by Banns> 6/8/1810.> I am
naturally totally confused.> I was wondering if anyone was visiting the
Records Office at Dolgellau if> they would be prepared to get me a copy of
the Parish record entries for the> above (Not BT's) to see if there were
any other details recorded. From > experience, I> know that sometimes,
BT's weren't always recorded correctly. I would> naturally pay the cost of
any expenses plus the cost of copies.> regards> Geraint> > >
> ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007
15:21:46 -0400> From: "Doreen Jones" <dd.jones(a)sympatico.ca>>
Subject: Re:
[GWYNEDD] Llanfair Juxta Harlech> To: <wls-gwynedd(a)rootsweb.com>>
Message-ID: <002701c77a13$26b434e0$1202a8c0@Doreen>> Content-Type!
: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Hi Geraint> > Looks to me
that "
Griffith" is probably William's middle name not his surname and he
wouldn't be the first child that was born before his parents married.> >
Sorry can't help with a look up. It is a little too far for me to go.> >
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