Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:44:02 +0100
To: wls-gwynedd(a)rootsweb.com
From: dllw(a)dllw.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: [GWYNEDD] Lloyds Vaynol and Treborth
Hi,
I have rejoined the list after some years when it was very helpful with
my ignorance.
I am now watching and listening for a bit before asking some more
questions.
in the mean time I can help with o.s.p which is "obit sine prole" which
is the Latin phrase for "died without issue" and was used for a long
time and still sometimes today.
rgards
david lloyd-williams
In message <BAY160-W284E42C1E41F680E208BB1EE3E0(a)phx.gbl>, vicki evans
<vickievans909(a)hotmail.com> writes
>
>HI
>
>I hope someone might be able to help, I am trying to research the
>following family and have got the following from Pedigrees of Anglesey
>and Carnarvonshire, by John Griffiths and a handwritten family history
>passed down- quite a bit of info to follow
>
>William LLoyd of Gwyddfrynie, party to a deed, Sept 10 1637 married
>Catherine - what does party to a deed mean and can I trace this?
>Son was John Lloyd of Gwyddfryniw who married Elizabeth Owen
>Children were Mathew, Penelope and Catherine nat before Jan 3 1648 -
>what does this mean please and William Lloyd living Mar 24, 1710 who
>married Abigail unknown
>William and Abigail had the following children John Lloyd party to a
>deed Aug 2, 1732 married Elinor before 1710, Abigail, Mary and Thomas
>LLoyd.
>I am unsure who Thomas married (can anyone advise how I can find this
>out?) but he had 3 son's Thomas Lloyd DD, Dean of Bangor o.s.p bur Oct
>31 1793, Lewis Lloyd, Coll of Customs at Holyhead, o.s.p 1794 - what
>does o.s.p mean please and Griffith Lloyd of Bryn Adda, Bangor who
>married Margaret.
>
>It is Griffith Lloyd who I am very interested in, it says he was party
>to a deed in 1732, and his wife margaret has Bur. Sept 7 1727 next to
>her name.
>They had 2 son's William Lloyd of Vaynol, Bangor and Thomas Lloyd of
>Treborth Issa who married a Lowry unknown and had Mary (March 20 1779 -
>my direct descendant), Margaret (1781 known from family history/will),
>Thomas (Feb 10 1783), Hugh (May 3 1785), John (Jan 15 1787, mort),
>Robert (Mar 17 1789, bur Jun 23 1809), William (May 6 1790), Elizabeth
>(Aug 22 1793), Edward (Mar 5 bur May 21 1797) and John (July 28 1802).
>I assume the mort after the first John's name in 1787 signifies he died
>at birth?
>
>Thomas Lloyd of Treborth Issa I know died in 1836 as I have his will
>but it does not give his age. The will leaves his possessions to 5 of
>the above children and I can trace them all on census records/death
>certfifcates etc plus all 5 are mentioned in a handwritten family
>document I have (Mary, margaret, Thomas, John and Elizabeth). Note on
>the pedigree Margaret is absent. Until I received the pedigree I was
>unaware of the other children and assume all had died prior to 1836.
>
>I am confused over Thomas' possible date of birth. Following the above
>his mother Margaret was bur Sept 7 1727, which would mean he was born
>no later than this, and would make him at least 52 when his first child
>was born, 75 when his last son was born and the grand old age of at
>least 109 when he died. Even thouhg his youngest daughter Elizabeth
>lived until she was 97 I am not convinced he would have been 109!
>
>Can anyone advise me on how to go about finding out more about this
>family? I know it seems alot of information already but I am lacking
>dates for births, marriages, deaths etc.
>
>Many thanks
>
>Vicki
>
>
>
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