Ian
Thank you for all the advice, that is really helpful and a starting point at least! it
might well be a long alog to find out more about this family as I am not near enough to
visit the library.
Your help is appreciated
Vicki
From: joscyn(a)hotmail.com
To: wls-gwynedd(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:19:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [GWYNEDD] WLS-GWYNEDD Digest, Vol 6, Issue 57
Dear Vicki,
The National Library of Wales, Gwynedd Archives and University College of Wales, Bangor,
all have repositories of deeds. The first 2 are searchable online but the last isn't
and requires a research visit (best) if resident in the UK OR an email research request
but you would have to be as specific as possible and as certain as possible about the
links for this to be worthwhile. I wonder if there are wills on the National Library
website? Looking, just briefly, under wills -> Lloyd and Llanegryn (which is the
parish that Gwyddfrynie is in) gives a will for John Lloyd of "Gwyrddfrynieu"
dated 1755 - I suspect that you will find other wills relevant to this group.
"Party to a deed" usually means a land transaction or marriage settlement that
puts the person in a place and time. It is the same as "floreat" and would
nowadays be referenced (eg to Gwynedd document reference number). JE Griffiths didn't
add references, unfortunately, and so, unless someone has written up this family eg in
Gwreiddiau Gwynedd, Transactions of the relevant county historical society or elsewhere,
it is likely you will be starting afresh.
It is worth checking all the above published sources, though, as well as Google /
Ancestry in case someone has done it before.
JE Griffiths is not perfect and so if no one else has checked the facts, it is worth
checking all the above.
Elizabeth Owen (Margaret Owen28, Lewis Owen27, Gruffydd Owen26, Lewis Owen , Vice
Chamberlain of North Wales25, Owen Ap Howel Ap Llewellyn Ap Gruffydd Ddu24, Howel Ap
Llewellyn Ap Gruffydd Ddu Ap Madog23, Llewellyn Ap Gruffydd Ddu Ap Madog Ap Ieuan22,
Gruffydd Ddu Ap Madog Ap Ieuan Ap Cadwgan21, Madog Ap Ieuan Ap Cadwgan Ap Ieuan20, Ieuan
Ap Cadwgan Ap Ieuan Ap Madog19, Cadwgan Ap Ieuan Ap Madog Ap Cadwgan18, Ieuan Ap Madog Ap
Cadwgan Fawr Ap Cadwgan17, Madog Ap Cadwgan Fawr Ap Cadwgan16, Cadwgan Fawr Ap Cadwgan Ap
Gruffydd15, Cadwgan Ap Gruffydd Ap Llewellyn Ap Gwrgan14, Gruffydd Ap Llewellyn Ap Gwrgan
Ap Ifor13, Llewellyn Ap Gwrgan Ap Ifor Ap Gwyn12, Gwrgan Ap Ifor Ap Gwyn Ap Collwyn11,
Ifor Ap Gwyn Ap Collwyn Ap Llawrodd Dyfed10, Gwyn Ap Collwyn Ap Llawrodd Dyfed9, Collwyn
Ap Llawrodd Dyfed Ap Seisyllt8, Llawrodd Dyfed Ap Seisyllt Ap Cynfyn7, Seisyllt Ap Cynfyn
Ap Cynan Ap Cynhysgwydd6, Cynfyn Ap Cynan Ap Cynhysgwydd5, Cynan Ap Cynhysgwydd Ap Saul
Feilyn4, Cynhysgwydd Ap !
Saul Feilyn Ap Meyrick3, Saul Feilyn Ap Meyrick2, Meyrick1) was born in Peniarth,
Llanegryn, Merioneth, Wales. She married John Lloyd, son of William Lloyd and Catherine.
He was born in Gwyddfrynie, Llanegryn.
Children of Elizabeth Owen and John Lloyd are:
157
i.
Mathew Lloyd was born in Gwyddfrynie, Llanegryn.
+
158
ii.
William Lloyd was born in Gwyddfrynie, Llanegryn, and died AFT 24 MAR 1709/10.
159
iii.
Penelope Lloyd was born in Gwyddfrynie, Llanegryn.
160
iv.
Catherine Lloyd was born BEF 3 JAN 1647/48 in Gwyddfrynie, Llanegryn.
OSP means obiit sine prole or died without issue (children).
Nat is short for Natus / Nata (born masculine and feminine).
Ian
Elizabeth Owen (Margaret Owen28, Lewis Owen27, Gruffydd Owen26, Lewis Owen , Vice
Chamberlain of North Wales25, Owen Ap Howel Ap Llewellyn Ap Gruffydd Ddu24, Howel Ap
Llewellyn Ap Gruffydd Ddu Ap Madog23, Llewellyn Ap Gruffydd Ddu Ap Madog Ap Ieuan22,
Gruffydd Ddu Ap Madog Ap Ieuan Ap Cadwgan21, Madog Ap Ieuan Ap Cadwgan Ap Ieuan20, Ieuan
Ap Cadwgan Ap Ieuan Ap Madog19, Cadwgan Ap Ieuan Ap Madog Ap Cadwgan18, Ieuan Ap Madog Ap
Cadwgan Fawr Ap Cadwgan17, Madog Ap Cadwgan Fawr Ap Cadwgan16, Cadwgan Fawr Ap Cadwgan Ap
Gruffydd15, Cadwgan Ap Gruffydd Ap Llewellyn Ap Gwrgan14, Gruffydd Ap Llewellyn Ap Gwrgan
Ap Ifor13, Llewellyn Ap Gwrgan Ap Ifor Ap Gwyn12, Gwrgan Ap Ifor Ap Gwyn Ap Collwyn11,
Ifor Ap Gwyn Ap Collwyn Ap Llawrodd Dyfed10, Gwyn Ap Collwyn Ap Llawrodd Dyfed9, Collwyn
Ap Llawrodd Dyfed Ap Seisyllt8, Llawrodd Dyfed Ap Seisyllt Ap Cynfyn7, Seisyllt Ap Cynfyn
Ap Cynan Ap Cynhysgwydd6, Cynfyn Ap Cynan Ap Cynhysgwydd5, Cynan Ap Cynhysgwydd Ap Saul
Feilyn4, Cynhysgwydd Ap !
Saul Feilyn Ap Meyrick3, Saul Feilyn Ap Meyrick2, Meyrick1) was born in Peniarth,
Llanegryn, Merioneth, Wales. She married John Lloyd, son of William Lloyd and Catherine.
He was born in Gwyddfrynie, Llanegryn.
Children of Elizabeth Owen and John Lloyd are:
157
i.
Mathew Lloyd was born in Gwyddfrynie, Llanegryn.
+
158
ii.
William Lloyd was born in Gwyddfrynie, Llanegryn, and died AFT 24 MAR 1709/10.
159
iii.
Penelope Lloyd was born in Gwyddfrynie, Llanegryn.
160
iv.
Catherine Lloyd was born BEF 3 JAN 1647/48 in Gwyddfrynie, Llanegryn.
> William LLoyd of Gwyddfrynie, party to a deed, Sept 10 1637 married Catherine - what
does party to a deed mean and can I trace this?
> Son was John Lloyd of Gwyddfryniw who married Elizabeth Owen
> Children were Mathew, Penelope and Catherine nat before Jan 3 1648 - what does this
mean please and William Lloyd living Mar 24, 1710 who married Abigail unknown
> William and Abigail had the following children John Lloyd party to a deed Aug 2,
1732 married Elinor before 1710, Abigail, Mary and Thomas LLoyd.
> I am unsure who Thomas married (can anyone advise how I can find this out?) but he
had 3 son's Thomas Lloyd DD, Dean of Bangor o.s.p bur Oct 31 1793, Lewis Lloyd, Coll
of Customs at Holyhead, o.s.p 1794 - what does o.s.p mean please and Griffith Lloyd of
Bryn Adda, Bangor who married Margaret.
>
> It is Griffith Lloyd who I am very interested in, it says he was party to a deed in
1732, and his wife margaret has Bur. Sept 7 1727 next to her name.
> They had 2 son's William Lloyd of Vaynol, Bangor and Thomas Lloyd of Treborth
Issa who married a Lowry unknown and had Mary (March 20 1779 - my direct descendant),
Margaret (1781 known from family history/will), Thomas (Feb 10 1783), Hugh (May 3 1785),
John (Jan 15 1787, mort), Robert (Mar 17 1789, bur Jun 23 1809), William (May 6 1790),
Elizabeth (Aug 22 1793), Edward (Mar 5 bur May 21 1797) and John (July 28 1802). I assume
the mort after the first John's name in 1787 signifies he died at birth?
>
> Thomas Lloyd of Treborth Issa I know died in 1836 as I have his will but it does not
give his age. The will leaves his possessions to 5 of the above children and I can trace
them all on census records/death certfifcates etc plus all 5 are mentioned in a
handwritten family document I have (Mary, margaret, Thomas, John and Elizabeth). Note on
the pedigree Margaret is absent. Until I received the pedigree I was unaware of the other
children and assume all had died prior to 1836.
>
> I am confused over Thomas' possible date of birth. Following the above his
mother Margaret was bur Sept 7 1727, which would mean he was born no later than this, and
would make him at least 52 when his first child was born, 75 when his last son was born
and the grand old age of at least 109 when he died. Even thouhg his youngest daughter
Elizabeth lived until she was 97 I am not convinced he would have been 109!
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