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Hi List
My grt grt grandfather John Edwards died in Llanbedr-Y-Cennin age 91 1885 would anyone haveany idea what church hewould have been buriedat please/
Andy
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Does anyone know of the above - Louisa & J.R.Brown of Bangor?
My interest is because these two gave a christening mug to my great aunt,
Louisa Jane Jones, in 1871. I have no idea what the connection is.
According to the 1881 census, Louisa Brown was a widow aged 58 and
proprietress of a printing works at 243 High Street, Bangor.
Bill Griffith-Jones
Hi Betty,
1849 was the year of one of the four outbreaks of Cholera in North Wales,
the others being 1832, 1853, and 1866. There is a very interesting article
on Cholera in Wales by Gwyn Penrhyn Jones on GENUKI:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/Cholera.html
I would imagine that the water supply would have been a well or town pump,
and being a communal source the disease would have spread rapidly.
Regards,
Keith.
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From: "Betty A. Pace" <bapace2(a)juno.com>
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Subject: [GWYNEDD] Cholera - 1849 Amlwch, Anglesey
> One of my ancestors died in Amlwch in 1849 of cholera (according to her
> tombstone). She was a widow in her 80s so any epidemic might have hit
> her particularly hard.
> Cholera is caused by water contaminated by sewage, I think. In 1849
> would most houses in Amlwch have had indoor plumbing? Town well? The
> family were comfortable middle-class.
>
> Does anyone else have an ancestor who might have died around the same
> time of cholera. I don't think this could be one isolated case.
>
> Betty Pace
Hello Betty,
The 1848-1849 cholera epidemic killed between 50,000 and 70,000 people in
England and Wales, so your ancestor was definately not an isolated case!
Here are a few web sites which may interest you.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/Cholera.htmlhttp://www.bma.org.uk/ap.nsf/Content/The+Physicians+of+Myddfaihttp://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/06/0614_040614_tvcholera.html
Best wishes
Patricia
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Subject: [GWYNEDD] Cholera - 1849 Amlwch, Anglesey
> One of my ancestors died in Amlwch in 1849 of cholera (according to her
> tombstone). She was a widow in her 80s so any epidemic might have hit
> her particularly hard.
> Cholera is caused by water contaminated by sewage, I think. In 1849
> would most houses in Amlwch have had indoor plumbing? Town well? The
> family were comfortable middle-class.
>
> Does anyone else have an ancestor who might have died around the same
> time of cholera. I don't think this could be one isolated case.
>
> Betty Pace
>
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The Patriarch of Tregaean
In NLW MS 9081, a 1675 history of Beaumaris containing both original and
transcribed documents from various Anglesey sources including the Civil War
period, church notes, rentals, names and families in the burrough of
Bewmares & the liberties thereof alphabetically digested amongst other
things, there is the following very detailed and interesting document
described in a footnote as a transcript out of Mr Rob. Owen of Beaum- his
pap-, who copied it out of another written by Dr W Griffith Chanr of Bangr &
S. Asaph &c. The date at the top of the transcript is the 11th March AD
1581 but the handwriting is mid-late 17th century. I hope that the
following might be of some help to someone on the list and will be of
general interest to all.
In ye parish of Tregayan in ye County of Anglesey there lived a man of ye
age of 105 years called Wm ap Howel ap Dafydd ap Jerwarth He married 3
wives the 1st called Ellen fch Wm, of whom he begat 22 children the 2d
called Kath fch Richd of whom he begat 10 children the 3d called Ellen fch
Wm, now living, of whom he begat 4 children.
He in his time had 2 concubines the one called Jonet fch Wm, of whom he
begat 2 children the other called Lleiky Lloyd of whom he begat 5
children: The number of his children in wedlock begotten were 36 & by his
concubines 7 in all 43 His eldest son called Griff: ap Wm now living &
dwell in Anglesey 84 years old who hath children and childrens children
to the 3d and 4th geniracon, a gt number
His youngest son likewise called Griff: ap Wm, is now living in the sd
parish 2 years old and œ - so that there is 81 years and œ bet. Ye age of
the sd children. His eldest daughter called Alice fch Wm is now living in
Angelsey of the age of 72 years twice married, who had many children and
childrens children to a gt number. There be living at this present time in
the sd parich of Tregayan above 80 persons wch descended from ye body of the
said old man.
It is reported that the children and childrens children & the offspring of
them descended from the body of the sd old man & born in his days whereof
some be living & some be dead amount to ye number of 300 persons.
The sd Wm ap Howel ap Dav ap Jerwarth was a man of mean stature, of good
complexion, never vexd with colick & stone, seldom sick, of moderate diet &
livd by husbandry & tillage altogether delighted exercised in fishing &
fowling have his sight, memory, & sense perfect until his last end.
A fascinating report of a man who I imagine, without having any other facts
to back myself up, of being of poorer yeomanry or labouring stock; so
belonging to a group of people under-represented in the records that we have
available today. As such, I imagine that without his prodigious fecundity
we may not have known his name today.
Particularly noteworthy in the transcript is the fact that (at least) two
of his sons shared the same Christian name Griffith something that I
have read about but never seen a direct example of.
I wonder whether on the list there is anyone researching Tregaean ancestry
that can claim descent from one of Tregaeans founding fathers?
One of my ancestors died in Amlwch in 1849 of cholera (according to her
tombstone). She was a widow in her 80s so any epidemic might have hit
her particularly hard.
Cholera is caused by water contaminated by sewage, I think. In 1849
would most houses in Amlwch have had indoor plumbing? Town well? The
family were comfortable middle-class.
Does anyone else have an ancestor who might have died around the same
time of cholera. I don't think this could be one isolated case.
Betty Pace
Hi,
The Carnarvon Alehouse Recognizances for 1794, 1796, 1802 & 1803 have been completed and are now online. They can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/
Regards,
Keith.
Hi List
Could anyone I have just found my grt grt grt grt grandfathers will index a place called Bath in the parish of Llanbedr-Y-Cennin could anyone please tell me if bath is a place or a farm. The will was proved at the Principal Regisrty any ideas were I could get a copy of the will please.
Many thanks
Andy
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Ian,
I always perk up at the mention of Parrys in Aberdaron, as I have a John
Parry, born there in 1726 (according to Griffith's Pedigrees of
Anglesey...). He moved to Angelsey after marrying Anne Thomas.
Apparently he was originally a seaman but became a farmer. Here is what
I have:
JOHN PARRY was born in Anelwog/Amelwog, Aberdaron, Caernarvonshire in
1726. He and wife ANNE THOMAS (1733-1812) moved to
Llanpatrick/Llanbadrig, Anglesey after their marriage at Rhosgyll Fawr,
Eifionydd, Caer.around 1770.
Tombstones in St. Eleth's Churchyard, Amlwch, Anglesey
B002
Sacred to the memory of ANNE THOMAS, daughter of JOHN THOMAS, Gentleman,
late of Rhosgell Fawr in the Parish of Llanarmon in Eifionydd/Evionydd,
Caernarvonshire, and late wife of JOHN PARRY at Tre-Gynrhyg Fawr in the
parish of Llan-Patrick,, who died on the 23rd day of June in the year
1812, in the 79th year of her age. Also, the above named JOHN PARRY late
tenant of Tre-gynrhyg in parish of Llanpatrick, who died on the 11th of
March 1825 in the 89th year of his age.
John Parry b: 1726 d: 1825Llanpatrick, Ang.--Anne Thomas b: 1733 d:
1812Llanpatrick, Ang., marriage at Rhosgyll Fawr, Eifionydd, Caer.around
1770.
SURVIVING CHILDREN OF JOHN PARRY AND ANNE THOMAS
Elizabeth Parry (b.1769-?) m.Tho. Rowland
Henry Parry (1778-?)
William Parry (b.1776-?)Mary Parry (1771-1865)
Christenings
23 March 1769 Elizabeth, dtr of John Parry and Anne Thomas (no address)
24 July 1774 William,son of John Parry and Anne Thomas (no address)
16 June 1776 William,son of John Parry and Anne Thomas (no address)
9 August 1778 Henry Parry son of John Parry and Anne Thomas Tregynrig
Fawr.
Elizabeth Parry married Thomas Rowlands on the 7 Feb 1796,
and had a son John bapt at Tregynrig on the 4 Sep
1796.
Stone B018 - St. Eleth's, Amlwch, Anglesey
Children of John Parry, Tregynrhig Fawr, by Anne, his wife. Three sons,
all died in childhood (1764 to 1776). John Parry d. 23 April 1764, age 4
years.; Hugh Parry d. 6 April 1764, age 1 year; and William Parry d.19
Jan. 1776, age 6 mos. There is also several Jones children here--John
Jones, d. 10 July 1791 age 5 years and John Jones d. 31 Mar. 1786, age
2yr, 6 mos. Their parents were William and Jane Jones; a William Jones
(wife Jane) is also buried there--he died 11 Oct. 1788, age 53 (born
1735). Also WILLIAM PARRY, formerly of Tregynrhig, and for many years
Master of the Liverpool and Dublin Sailing Packets, who died July
31st____(stone embedded in cement). [Who is William Parry?] All of these
had lived at Tre-Gynrhig, which was the estate of John Parry and his wife
Anne Thomas. Odd that John and Anne Thomas Parry were buried separately.
Betty Pace
From: "I Thompson" <joscyn(a)hotmail.com>
To: WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:41:30 +0000
Subject: RE: Parrys of Bodafon Issa, Penrhoslligwy
Iolo,
I presume that you mean the 1670s? Meaning that your and Griffith's John
Parry could be one and the same?
I have had a similar problem recently with Henry Prichards and Richard
Parrys in Aberdaron. All I can say is that you need to look at all
possible
contenders and not just in Penrhosllugwy. Have you gone through all John
Parry wills, for example? I am afraid that it's a case of that.
Yours,
Ian
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Hi,
The Carnarvon Alehouse Recognizances for 1783, 1791, 1792 & 1793 have been completed and are now online. They can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/
Regards,
Keith.
Iolo,
I presume that you mean the 1670s? Meaning that your and Griffith's John
Parry could be one and the same?
I have had a similar problem recently with Henry Prichards and Richard
Parrys in Aberdaron. All I can say is that you need to look at all possible
contenders and not just in Penrhosllugwy. Have you gone through all John
Parry wills, for example? I am afraid that it's a case of that.
Yours,
Ian
Hi List
I have just found my grt grt grandfather on the 1881 census living at Dwelling Bath at Llanbedr Caernarvon could anyone please tell me if the property is still standing please
Andy
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The Welsh radio programme "Pawb a'i Brofiad" broadcast yesterday on Radio
Cymru was on the subject of family history.
I took part in the broadcast, which included a "vendetta" between myself and
Dr Rhys Sudamore, a direct descendant of Owain Glyndwr - the murderer of my
ancestor Hywel Sele!
For those who missed the programme, but would like to listen to it, it can
be downloaded from "Radio ar alw" on:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/cymru/aod.shtml?cymru/Pawb_ai_brofia
d
Otherwise the programme will be broadcast again on Sunday at 1.40pm
Pob hwyl
Alwyn
Hi,
The Carnarvon Alehouse Recognizances for 1776, 1778, 1781 & 1782 have been completed and are now online. They can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/
Regards,
Keith.
I would bo most grateful for any information about the Parrys of Bodafon Issa, Penrhoslligwy, and most particularly John, the son of Harry Parry and Elizabeth Bulkeley, born probably in the 1770s.
I have an ancestor in Penrhoslligwy called John Parry, who was married to Anne, and his children were
Mary 1695
Ellen 1701
Hugh John Parry 1705.
It would be quite tempting to equate this John Parry with the son of Harry Parry, but with such a common name I would like to be on slightly more solid ground before taking a leap of faith.
I undertand from the Wilperf database that the Parrys of Bodafon Issa is on pages 105 and 80 of the Pedigrees of Anglesey and Caernarfonshire Families.
Hi,
I am new to this list and looking for some help.. Here is what I think I
know.
Jacob Voils born 1710 in Wales maybe Denbighshire, Pembrokeshire or maybe
Herefordshire. He and his four sons left for America in 1755 or 1759. His
four sons were William, Thomas, John and James. The story I have heard is
that William had to work as a deckhand for the four years following their
passage to America. On his trips home to Wales he stayed with his uncle
David in Herefordshire. Can you or do you have any information that can
help me with this? Jacob's wife's name was Martha....
Thanks for your help,
Charles F Voyles Jr.
109 Hampstead Ave
Castle Rock, CO 80104
(720) 490-6633
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Hi,
A new section has just been added, called "The Town Through Guide Books." This is a look at the town through the years, from a selection of guide books dating from 1771 to 1937, and can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/
Regards,
Keith.
Does anyone have access to the 1841 Amlwch census?
I am looking for the parents of my Mary Jones, born Anglesey about 1830
(according to the 1851 Liverpool census, where she was Mrs. John
Williams)
I have been going through the 1841 Amlwch on-line census, even though I
don't know that she was born in Amlwch--just know it was Anglesey. I
also suspect that her mother was either a Mary or a Jane or a Mary Jane
(she named her only child Mary Jane Williams, b. 1852)
I came up with some possible couplings on the on-line 1841 census--two
Mary Jones who appear to be in the same household. How can I find out
the name of the father in the household?
I am not certain what the ID number refers to and don't know if closeness
means in the same household..
Mary Jones, b. 1811 & 1831 (32 Kings St.), IDs 3343 & 3346
Mary Jones, b. 1806 & 1833 (Tan y fron road) IDs 3568 & 3603
Mary Jones, b. 1806 & 1831 (Frondeg St.) IDs 4819 & 4833
I don't know for certain that my Mary Jones was still in Amlwch in 1841,
but it is a possibility. By 1851 she and her family had moved to
Llanfyllin, Montg., because there she married Captain John Williams of
Llanddulas, Denb. She died young because by 1857 he had a new wife (name
unknown). She died and he then married a Mary Griffith of Amlwch and had
more children (all boys). I have the households for the 1861 and 1871
census reports. Capt. John Williams was lost at sea in 1879.
Any advice?
Betty Pace