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I'm searching for information on my husband's great-great-grandparents,
John Prichard and Elizabeth Evans, who were married 27 March 1841 in the
Parish Church of Aberdaron in the County of Carnarvon. I have the
certified copy of their marriage record from the General Register
Office.
The information on the certificate includes that both John and Elizabeth
were of "full age." John is listed as a "bachelor" and she is listed as
a "spinster"(ouch).
John Prichard's residence at the time of marriage was Plasnewydd.
Elizabeth Evans' residence was Ystohelig (Ystohelyg?). His father's
"name and surname" is listed as "Richard Benjamin;" her father's "name
and surname" is listed as "Evan Roberts." Richard Benjamin is listed as
"labourer," and Evan Roberts is listed as "farmer." The certificate
continues with the information that they were "married in the Parish
Church, according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church,
by me, John Evans, Vicar," and the witnesses were "William Prichard" and
"William Daniel(?)." In addition to trying to read the handwriting, I
have been trying to cope with an acute loss of vowels, as I am not
familiar with Welsh, and am having a terrible time even talking to
myself about these place names, much less trying to pronounce them
aloud. I am sure they are quite familiar to everyone on this list,
however, and that they are lovely places!
John Prichard came to the United States in 1845 (to New York) with his
wife Elizabeth and young daughter Anna. My husband's great-grandfather
was John E. Prichard, who was born in the United States. They moved west
and settled in VanWert County, Ohio, near Venedocia, in a community that
was then known as the Upper Settlement, which was a neighborhood of
recently arrived Welsh settlers.
Depending upon when the church now known as St. Hywyn's in Aberdaron was
abandoned in 1841, John Prichard and Elizabeth Evans were either married
there, or in the church that was built to replace that one. I understand
that the parishioners did not like the one they built to replace St.
Hywyn's, and so later abandoned that one. But I don't know whether or
not the St.Hywyn's Church is the right place or not until I find out the
date it was abandoned. But they were married in Aberdaron, in "the
Parish Church."
I received additional information from a very helpful person in the
United Kingdom, who was gracious enough to check in Aberdaron Monumental
Inscriptions to find that, in "Ystohelig Bach" (which may or may not be
the right place - is it the same as the Ystohelig listed for Elizabeth
on the marriage certificate?), there is a reference that appeared to be
very interesting: (1) Ref.C055 - "In memory of Jane wife of Evan
Roberts, Ystohelig Bach who died November 2nd 1830 age 50. Also of Evan
Roberts who died August 4th 1858 aged 71." The date of Elizabeth Evans'
birth was in December 1821, as when she died 28 March 1891, she was 69
years, 3 months and 17 days old, according to family records here and
according to Elizabeth's tomb stone in Tomlinson Cemetery in Ohio. I
don't think this would quite make her a "spinster," nor necessarily of
"full age," unless that were less than 21, but after all these vowel
problems, I may have a math deficiency as well. Also, if the math is
still functioning properly, it appears that if the above mentioned Jane
was her mother, then Elizabeth was born when Jane was about 41 years
old.
I had expected to find a Mr. Evans as the father of Elizabeth, not an
Evan Roberts. So I am not sure where exactly to go from here. I have
been made acquainted with the patronymic naming system, and I am not
confident that I will ever truly understand it, but at least I am aware
of it. When you have lots of similar names, it must have been at least
mildly confusing to the people who were alive then, so I expect it to be
confusing to me now.
Then - I get to the Prichard side! I think the only name that is more
common in Wales than Evans must be Prichard (unless it is trumped by
Jones, as I have seen a lot of those names as well). And on the
certificate, I find that John Prichard's father was "Richard Benjamin."
Not what I was expecting. And there is no listing of the mother's name
for either the bride or the groom.
I understand that Welsh was spoken in my husband's great-grandparents'
home in Ohio, as his great aunt still recalls that fondly. There is a
very active interest in that area of Ohio in things Welsh, as there is
an annual Gymanfa Ganu in Venedocia that draws quite a crowd annually,
in spite of the fact that the church has no air conditioning and the
event is held on Labor Day, which can be literally quite breath-taking
with heat and humidity in Ohio. No one there, however, so far as we
know, has any additional information on the emigrant John and his wife
Elizabeth. For those of you who are interested, there is a web site on
the small community of Venedocia, Ohio, located at
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/2761/ which provides excellent
information on the settlement and history of the community itself.
Venedocia, I have learned, is a name of ancient extraction from Wales.
I have just recently subscribed (today) to the Gwynedd list, and will
promise not to bore anyone with long and rambling messages more than
absolutely necessary. I think that Wales is a fascinating country with
many beautiful small villages and stunning landscapes. Even though I am
not the descendant, I am very interested in learning any additional info
about John Prichard and Elizabeth Evans. I will pass what I learn on to
my husband and his aunt, and am sure they will enjoy learning more about
their ancestry. My husband and I live in Coles Point in Virginia in the
US, and his aunt lives in Columbus, Ohio. Thanks so much for your
patience, your interest, and anything helpful you are willing to share.
--Susan Rager
Hi,
A list of the Carnarvon Alehouse Recognizances for 1820 has been completed and is now available in the Miscellaneous Section at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/
Regards,
Keith.
Ian,
I don't know much more than was in the first posting. Apparently John
Parry was a seaman before becoming a farmer in Llanpatrick, near Amlwch.
I know a little more about his wife Anne Thomas, whose line traces back
to Collwyn Ap Tangno.
I have tried to research the Parrys of Aberdaron but just couldn't ort
them out. There is some reason that the couple went from Caern. to
Anglesey and the only thing I can think of is that he had family there.
I do know there were a fair number of them there in Llanpatrick and
vicinity.
I have also tried to find John Parry on the WILLPERF database at
worldconnect, rootsweb.com (that database repeats some of Griffith's
Pedigrees). Again, he is entered as the husband of Anne Thomas but
beyond that I can't sort it out. I would love to know what you may
suspect, as it might give me some leads.
Betty
<snip>
From: "I Thompson" <joscyn(a)hotmail.com>
To: WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 11:33:12 +0000
Subject: [GWYNEDD] Parry/Prichard and Aberdaron
Dear Betty and the rest of the list,
I am interested in a long line of alternating Henry Prichards and Richard
Parrys of Bodrydd, Aberdaron, and later Penycaerau, Aberdaron. Lots of
other family branches come from Aberdaron like Griffith Jones, Siop,
Penycaerau (d1844) whose parents I am not sure about.
Betty's long email made me wonder if anyone else is interested in the
same
names in that parish? I wonder if you could email me John Parry's
(d1726)
details, Betty, as Anel(w)og crops up lots in things I am reading and I
can
keep an eye out for you! I am interested in the last half of the 1600s
now
which is where you seem to be??
There are some Barn(e)s mentions on the IGI online from Holt and Eglwys Fach
in Denbighshire around the time you mentioned. I didn't search through all
Welsh counties.
Yours,
Ian
London SW9
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Hello All,
I am cross listing here, but it appears there are mutual interests between some Lists.
Could someone please give some help here?
HENRY JOSEPH BARNS Born 1766 where??
Family story indicates LLANDUDNO. I have purchased fiches and a book of Parish Registers for Llandudno and MIs for St. Tudno and St. George. No mention of the BARNS family at all in the 18th century.
Would anyone be able to advise where I might access further records for the area which may carry HENRY's Birth? Please note I live in Australia and although I have tried, there are no LDS records available that I haven't got.
With thanks,
Robyn
Australia
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all the best
Alwyn
Have you tried St Hilaries in Llanrhos? That is an older churchyard which has been extended twice. There are some older graves there dating back to the 1700s. It is on the outskirts of Llandudno, but just as if not more accessible than St Tudnos or St Georges.
Dewi
WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com schrieb am 03.02.04 05:08:07:
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> Hello All,
>
> I am cross listing here, but it appears there are mutual interests between some Lists.
>
> Could someone please give some help here?
>
> HENRY JOSEPH BARNS Born 1766 where??
>
> Family story indicates LLANDUDNO. I have purchased fiches and a book of Parish Registers for Llandudno and MIs for St. Tudno and St. George. No mention of the BARNS family at all in the 18th century.
>
> Would anyone be able to advise where I might access further records for the area which may carry HENRY's Birth? Please note I live in Australia and although I have tried, there are no LDS records available that I haven't got.
>
> With thanks,
>
> Robyn
> Australia
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Dear list,
Sorry, that last post was from me.
Ian
London SW9
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Dear Betty and the rest of the list,
I am interested in a long line of alternating Henry Prichards and Richard
Parrys of Bodrydd, Aberdaron, and later Penycaerau, Aberdaron. Lots of
other family branches come from Aberdaron like Griffith Jones, Siop,
Penycaerau (d1844) whose parents I am not sure about.
Betty's long email made me wonder if anyone else is interested in the same
names in that parish? I wonder if you could email me John Parry's (d1726)
details, Betty, as Anel(w)og crops up lots in things I am reading and I can
keep an eye out for you! I am interested in the last half of the 1600s now
which is where you seem to be??
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Jane Jones aged 19,29 and 31 please. Was there by any
chance a Robert Hughes in the census.Do you have the information to see if
Jane and her father Robert Hughes were in any earlier census
Sure I can send you the info... none of those Jane's had a Robert as a father
(either Hughes or Jones though......)
Let me know if you still want those Jane Jones.
sue
Good evening Sue . Thanks for the reply . Would it be possible please to send
me information on the Jane Jones aged 19,29 and 31 please. Was there by any
chance a Robert Hughes in the census.Do you have the information to see if
Jane and her father Robert Hughes were in any earlier census. I still do not
understand how her father was called Robert Hughes unless he never maried her
mother.Thanking you for your help. Alun.