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Dear Linda and the rest of the list,
I don't know what other peoples' strategies are but I tend to use house/farm
names, then township, then parishes, then divisions from name of commote (a
division of a hundred from older records), then hundred and then county.
Using this strategy for Bodrith (Bodrydd) township, commote of Commitmaen,
hundred of Llyn, Caernarfonshire, Gwynedd, there were about 600 records
completely new to me!
Unusual christian names or surnames may be helpful too, occupations or
hobbies, groups a member of &c.
I don't know if this is the sort of site for family research as such
(although I think I may have found one reference to a family I am interested
in!).
One thing to look out for is that some databases allow fuzzy searches
(bringing up all the variants for a word you type in) whereas others do not
meaning you have to systematically try each variant yourself eg Bodrydd,
Bodrith, Bodreeth, even Bodnudd in some indexes where there has been a
mistranscription.
I hope that is useful and wonder if anyone else has any other strategies?
Thank you for pointing out that wonderful website, Linda!
Ian
>It has just occurred to me after searching this particular website:
>http://www.gtj.org.uk that I might >not be getting the most out of my
>searching.
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Your Welcome Ian, and thank you for your input in how you went about
searching a site such as "Gathering the Jewels" I have often wondered about
the way to go about searching sites such as these and am glad to see I was
on the right track.
Lynda
>From: "I Thompson" <joscyn(a)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
>Dear Linda and the rest of the list,
>
>I don't know what other peoples' strategies are but I tend to use
>house/farm names, then township, then parishes, then divisions from name of
>commote (a division of a hundred from older records), then hundred and then
>county.
>
>Using this strategy for Bodrith (Bodrydd) township, commote of Commitmaen,
>hundred of Llyn, Caernarfonshire, Gwynedd, there were about 600 records
>completely new to me!
>
>Unusual christian names or surnames may be helpful too, occupations or
>hobbies, groups a member of &c.
>
>I don't know if this is the sort of site for family research as such
>(although I think I may have found one reference to a family I am
>interested in!).
>
>One thing to look out for is that some databases allow fuzzy searches
>(bringing up all the variants for a word you type in) whereas others do not
>meaning you have to systematically try each variant yourself eg Bodrydd,
>Bodrith, Bodreeth, even Bodnudd in some indexes where there has been a
>mistranscription.
>
>I hope that is useful and wonder if anyone else has any other strategies?
>Thank you for pointing out that wonderful website, Linda!
>
>Ian
>
>
>>It has just occurred to me after searching this particular website:
>>http://www.gtj.org.uk that I might >not be getting the most out of my
>>searching.
>
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It has just occurred to me after searching this particular website:
http://www.gtj.org.uk that I might not be getting the most out of my
searching. Would it be possible for someone on the list or Alwyn to perhaps
instruct some of us on the correct method to search a site such as this.
Especially looking for HUGHES, JONES, or ROBERTS Genealogy information or
just Welsh Historical Information.
I think this might be of help to all of us in the future.
Many Thanks,
Lynda
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I have a record showing my gr. grandfather John W. Jones born at Ffestionog
in 1802, married in 1834 To Elizabeth Francis Jones born 1812 at Maentwrog.
Their children: (My grandfather) Hugh J 1846, John J 1840, Elizabeth 1842,
Sarah 1848, Margaaret, William and Elinor1855 The last 3 may have been
born in the US.
Elizabeth Francis Jones had brothers & sisters: Ellen 5 May 1815,
Maragaret 1817, John Francis 1819, Ellis 1824 and winifred 1829.
We will be traveling to Wales this week and hope to find some information
on any of this family.
John W Jones parents: John J Jones b & Margaret---Elizabeth F. Jones
parents:
Hugh Francis Jones born 1789 and Elizabeth born 1792
Hi list, I am trying to locate anyone who has done any research on the Williams family from the Wyddfyd Farm The son of Roger and Sarah had a large family one being a John.Williams who married an Elizabeth Edwards on the 13/12/1817.Please get in touch.Thank you.
Brian and Suna
Oz.Western Australia.
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Alwyn,Thank you for explaining the reason why and also the difference
between Gwynedd and Clwyd and I take note ofyour pointers regarding
help.Thank you.
Brian and Suna
Oz.Western Australia.
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To: <WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [GWYNEDD] Re-(Gwynedd) Is anyone out there
> In a message dated 11/09/2003 13:05:33 GMT Daylight Time,
> sunbri(a)optusnet.com.au writes:
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> > If anyone from the membership could let us know if this site is
operating
> > correctly please.Thank you, all of us hang in there.
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> The Gwynedd mailing list is operating, and is sending messages out at the
> average rate for the list. There are usually about 50 messages per month
sent to
> the list, there have been 19 messages sent in the first 11 days of this
month.
> Gwynedd is a rural area with a small population, there are fewer than 200
> list members, in comparison to 500 on the Clwyd list 700 on the Glamorgan
list
> and 1200 on the Lancashire list, so our list is much quieter than others
by
> nature.
> Keep sending your requests for help to the list, despite our few numbers
we
> are very willing to help where we can. But don't just send requests for
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> they already know about their family history. If you let the list know who
> your Gwynedd family are, where they are from, what they did and what you
know
> about them you may find that it rings a bell with somebody who might not
respond
> to a census or PR lookup request.
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> All the best
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I recently discovered that my Gr-Grandmother, Ellinior or Ellen JONES born
in LlanfairNeubwll,Anglesey in 1849 had a brother named John W. JONES. and
that he had become a USA Citizen in the year of 1906. Now I wonder if
perhaps someone had the 1851 Census and would kindly do a look-up of a
family of JONES.........yes I know ........a nightmare! However, if they
could do a lookup on that census dealing with JONES in LlanfairNeubwll about
the time of the 1851 Census for a John W. JONES with a sibling named Ellen,
or Ellinior JONES the ages then would be about 2 years old for
Ellen........or 3 and John W. Jones would of been born abt. 1847 making him
4 or 5 at the time of the Census. I know this is a large request........but
I so would appreciate it.
Warmest Regards,
Lynda
USA
I am not sure of the parents names, but possibly could of been John and
Ellen.....just a hunch!
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Further to my previous enquiry about a Michael Hughes of a Plas in Anglesey, who died in 1781 and whose wife was called Jonnet Hughes, I have been told by Glyn of the Anglesey Lookup that there is no Michael Hughes who died in 1781 in the Pedigrees of Anglesey and Caernarfonshire families.
However, while looking through the Land Tax Assessments for Llanfairmathafarneithaf at Llangefni Archives, I found a Michael Hughes living at Plas in Llanfair ME during the 1760s, but in 1771 it was someone called Williams who live there. I intend to visit Llangefni again in the near future, but if anybody can throw further light on whether this is the same one, as seems likely, and establish the link to his niece Anne Davies alias Parry of Llannerchymedd, who is my ancestor, I would be very grateful.
David and Raelene,Diana,Sue and Pamela,We have been a member also for just a short time and we also have had no replies,It can be quite difficult when you haven't the info to hand and therefore we do ask for help,when we have exhausted our own avenues.We are members of Clwyd FHS and we can receive upwards of 40/50 a day sometimes,If anyone from the membership could let us know if this site is operating correctly please.Thank you, all of us hang in there.
Brian and Suna
Oz.Western Australia.
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I assume that this is the family that you have from the 1881 Census:
Thomas HUGHES Son (Head) M Male 27 Cylched, Anglesey, Wales Ag
Lab
Ellinor HUGHES Wife M Female 32 Llanfair Neubwll, Anglesey, Wales
Wife
John HUGHES Son Male 5 Llanfair Neubwll, Anglesey, Wales Son
William HUGHES Son Male 4 Llanfair Neubwll, Anglesey, Wales Son
Ellinor HUGHES Daur Female 8 m Bodedern, Anglesey, Wales Daur
Rather than searching parish registers to find out more about them, civil
registration documents might prove more useful. It is probably safe to assume
that Thomas and Ellinor married about 1874 - 1875 and that the likely place of
marriage is somewhere on Anglesey. You could try:
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
which has the marriage records for this period fairly well covered. If you
find the marriage in the FreeBMD site you will be able to order a marriage
certificate either from the General Register Office or the Local Registration
Office. A marriage certificate will give you Ellen Jones' father's name and
occupation which might enable you to find him and other members of the family in
census returns.
As both Thomas and Ellin were born after 1837 you may also be able to obtain
cvil birth certificates for them which will give details of both parents
including mother's maiden name.
Regarding Thomas being the son of Hugh Thomas and being recorded as both
Thomas Thomas and Thomas Hughes. Thomas has not "changed his name" what is
happening is that the way officials are recording names in this period is changing.
In looking for further generations you will find that most of your Welsh
ancestors will have their father's Christian name recorded as their surname.
All the best
Alwyn
In a message dated 11/09/2003 13:05:33 GMT Daylight Time,
sunbri(a)optusnet.com.au writes:
> If anyone from the membership could let us know if this site is operating
> correctly please.Thank you, all of us hang in there.
>
The Gwynedd mailing list is operating, and is sending messages out at the
average rate for the list. There are usually about 50 messages per month sent to
the list, there have been 19 messages sent in the first 11 days of this month.
Gwynedd is a rural area with a small population, there are fewer than 200
list members, in comparison to 500 on the Clwyd list 700 on the Glamorgan list
and 1200 on the Lancashire list, so our list is much quieter than others by
nature.
Keep sending your requests for help to the list, despite our few numbers we
are very willing to help where we can. But don't just send requests for help,
some of the best results from the smaller lists come from listers sharing what
they already know about their family history. If you let the list know who
your Gwynedd family are, where they are from, what they did and what you know
about them you may find that it rings a bell with somebody who might not respond
to a census or PR lookup request.
All the best
Alwyn
List admin
I have been researching my THOMAS and my HUGHES connection for the past 5
years now......however, I feel I am at a point where I need to find out more
about Ellen HUGHES,nee JONES born in LLanfairNeubwll.....so it states on the
1881 Census for "BrynEithin" Bodedern, Anglesey Wales.Ellen was married to
Thomas HUGHES my Gr-Grandfather, her age on the 1881 Census was listed as 32
years old and her first name was spelled "Ellinor". The 1891 Census for the
same abode "BryEithin", Bodedern, Anglesey Wales had her listed age 40 years
old and where born..Caergeigiog.On the 1901 Census , she is not listed at
all there. Would some of the listers please help me with some guidance and
direction........Where do I look for more on her? I have just recently
confirmed that my Gr-Grandfather was indeed born Thomas THOMAS son of Hugh
THOMAS and then later became Thomas HUGHES. I feel Ellen HUGHES,nee JONES is
a complete unknown here. Any help would be appreciated. I have been
researching the microfilms of "Llechylched" at the Family Research
Center.....but can't find a marriage or anything about Ellen HUGHES,nee
JONES. Please If someone can help.
Thank you so much.
Lynda
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I have posted to the list and received no answers. Also have received no
mailings from the list. Can anyone please let me know if my mail is getting
through?
Pamela
Hello everyone
My name is Pamela and after searching for my GM's true name for 17 years I
have found her true name (Helena Henrietta HUGHES, born 1898 Liverpool). She
ran
away to Australia around 1924 and never saw her family again. I hope this is
the correct list to ask some questions. I will start with the family. Below
is
the family, the young lad Evan would be my GM's, father.
Dwelling: School Hous
Census Place: Llanllyfni, Caernarvon, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342335 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5562 Folio 139 Page
70
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Wm. HUGHES M 42 M Llanbedr, Anglesey, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Teacher C M (School Mast)
Ellen HUGHES M 35 F Llanfiengl, Merioneth, Wales
Rel: Wife
Richd. HUGHES 14 M Llanfiengl, Merioneth, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Evan HUGHES 12 M Llanfiengl, Merioneth, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Anne HUGHES 9 F Llandwrog, Caernarvon, Wales
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Willei HUGHES 6 M Llandwrog, Caernarvon, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Jane HUGHES 2 F Llanllyfni, Caernarvon, Wales
Rel: Daur
William HUGHES is in the 1901 census as a "Schoolmaster" at the "National
School" and the address says "Brynmelyn", parish "Llanarmon.
If there is anyone that has ties to this family... I would love to hear from
you. Also does anyone know what the "C M" means after Teacher? Also, would
records from these schools still survive and could there possibly be any
pictures
from 1881-1900, of the school masters. I would be so thrilled to show my Mum
a picture of her great-grandfather. My Mum is 78 years old and it would be
(and has been) my greatest wish to find my Mum's ONLY relatives. My
Grandmother
(Helena) had 2 brothers in the UK and I would love to find their children or
grandchildren, who would be 50 to 60 years old. Helenea's father, Evan was a
railway worker his whole life but since he had ties to Cheshire and Wales I
have
not been able to ascertain what rail line he worked for. Thanks for any help
you could give me and any help here from the states you need just ask. Sorry
this is so long.
Pamela
Hello everyone,
I'm re-posting my interests in the Rachub, Llanllechid area as I have not done this for some time.
My cousin in Canada and I are trying to fill in the trees of siblings of our respective grandmothers who were sisters, born to Edward and Jane Edwards of Rachub, details as follows:
1. Ellen born c. 1856 (from Edward's first wife);
2. Robert, born 1858, married Catherine ?, to Philadelphia; children - Edward, Jane, Annie;
3. Thomas, born 1860, died young;
4. Amelia, born 1861, married Edward Evans, lived at Cae Mab Adda Farm, Bangor. (We have some information on this branch, but would appreciate more!);
5. Lydia, born 1864, died aged 14;
6. Jane Ann, born 1866, (my grandmother);
7. Margaret, born 1868; possibly married ? Jones and went to Philadelphia;
8. Edward, born 1870;
9. Mary Eleanor, born 1872, married Arthur James Crane;
10. Catherine, born 1874, to Philadelphia, husband not known, son Bertie + daughters;
11. Laura Grace, born 1876 - two possible names for husband - neither confirmed;
12. Sarah, born 1878 (my cousin's grandmother);
13. Lydia (Lil), born 1879; possibly married ? Shackleton.
There also seems to be a connection to Smallwood families of Aber. Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks very much,
Enid. (Williams)
LLan Ffestiniog.
Perhaps this web site will help. I missed the first part of the
discussion, but this site is a village locator site.
www.curiousfox.com/
Betty Pace
From: "Diana Wilkinson" <diana(a)nrdav.freeserve.co.uk>
To: WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:00:23 +0100
Subject: Re: [GWYNEDD] Website of interest
I realize that this is a longshot. But is there any record of a Jane Agnes Jones born October 07, 1818? We believe that her mother's name may have been Laura Davis/Davies.
Thanks,
Jeanne
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From: Iolo Griffiths
To: WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:35 AM
Subject: [GWYNEDD] Owen Jones, Stone cutter, Llanfairmathafarneithaf.
In the parish register of Llanfairmathafarneithaf there is the record of the christening on 12 May 1759 of Owen, the son of John Owens and Catherine Pritchard. In the same place, in a different hand there is the following note:
"Oed Owen Jones stone cutter Sgubor Wen neu'r Tyddyn Uchaf ar y cyntaf".
(Owen Jones, stone cutter, Sgubor Wen or Tyddyn Uchaf at first).
This may refer to the Owen christened in 1759, under the rule of patronymics, as his sister was certainly Agnes Jones, and it is quite likely that he followed his father's trade, who was a stone cutter between 1753 and 1756 at least. I would like to know any more information about Owen and his parents, and would welcome any explanation of why someone subsequently added the note to the record of his christening.
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"In 1800, mores were different but society was slightly shocked that year by
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gave a ball in honour of the happy couple aboard Foudroyant. It was in this
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one of the witnesses. The bride, Marie Louise von Dahlberg had, it was
said, hidden under the sofa when Sir John came to seek her hand at his
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Hi, was wondering if someone could help fill in the blanks in regards to
this family.........I have traced my family tree to a name change.......From
THOMAS to HUGHES, now need some help in trying to trace further, does anyone
have any suggestions?
Thank you,
Lynda,
USA
Husband: Hugh THOMAS (My Gr-Gr Grandfather)
================================================================================
Born: Abt 1823 - Ceirchiog, Anglsey Wales
Christened:
Died: 10 January 1889 - Bryneithin, Bodedern, Anglesey
Buried:
Father: Unknown UNKNOWN ( - )
Mother: Ann UNKNOWN (1787- )
Married: Place:
Occupation: Farm Labourer
================================================================
Wife: Elizabeth GRIFFITH
================================================================
Born: Abt 1820 - Llangadwaladr, Aberfraw
Christened:
Died:
Buried:
================================================================
Children
================================================================
1 Thomas THOMAS/HUGHES (My Gr-Grandfather)
Born: 9 September 1853 - TyNewydd, Llechycched, Anglesey Wales
Christened:
Died:
Buried: Believed to be buried in Hebron Chapel Cemetery........
Spouse: Ellinor JONES (1849- )
Marr. Date:
Spouse:
Marr. Date:
Occupation: Farm Labourer
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2 John THOMAS
Born: 1851 - Llechycched, Anglesey, Wales
Christened:
Died:
Buried:
Spouse:
Marr. Date:
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3 Hugh THOMAS B.1845
Born: 1845 - Llechylched
Christened:
Died:
Buried:
Spouse:
Marr. Date:
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4 William THOMAS
Born: Abt 1860 - Llechycched, Anglesey, Wales
Christened:
Died:
Buried:
Spouse:
Marr. Date:
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