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Dear Kathy,
I went to the Archives Dept. this morning and found reference to your
relation in the book about the Baptists at Penrhyndeudraeth. It will take
some time to pick details out of it and it mentions more about the Baptists
ministry, rather than anything personal. However, I am quite willing to
have a look at it again.
Meanwhile, I got a very good print of Bethel Chapel, unfortunately, I have
no scanner with my computer, but if I had your address, I could mail it to
you with any other interesting information.
You also could try the headquarters of the Baptists Union in Wales to see
what they have got, at the following address:
The Rev. Peter Richards,
General Secretary,
Ty John Penri,
11 St. Helen's Road,
Swansea. SA1 4Al.
Greetings from a lovely sunny day here,
Alice.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathy and Ron Read" <readrk(a)shaw.ca>
To: <WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [GWYNEDD] Penrhyndeudraeth
> Hi Alice
>
> This is wonderful information. Thank you so much.
> The info at the archive would sure be a help if you have the time. My mom
will be thrilled as
> she has never known much about him and has always wondered. I shall fax
your info to her.
> Thank you again
>
> Kathy
>
>
> AliceWilliams wrote:
>
> > Hello Kathy,
> >
> > Greetings from Trawsfynydd, a village about nine miles from
> > Penrhyndeudraeth.
> >
> > I found out a little about your relation in a booklet that was published
> > when the Wales Baptist Union held their Annual Conference in the
vicinity
> > during 1963.
> >
> > He was also a minister in Seion [B] Porthmadog - a town about three
miles
> > from Penrhyndeudraeth from 1870 - 1879. The church in Penrhyn is called
> > Bethel and it is still a practising church.
> >
> > The following was in Welsh, so I have tried to translate it for you.
> >
> > 'J. Gwyndud Jones when he was a minister in Porthmadog found out that
some
> > Baptists in Penrhyn. were members of other Churches. He tried to get
them
> > together and his purpose was for them to unite with the Scotch Baptists
who
> > worshiped at Bryngwyn [another church], but it was not possible to unite
at
> > that time. He had the loan of the Independent Church and he and the
Rev.
> > Edward Parry, Ffestiniog, held a service there on 29 April, 1879. At a
> > fellowship meeting following the service it was found that nine members
were
> > ready to re-start the Cause. The Church was bought from the
Independents.
> > They had a new church to go to and the Rev. J. G. Jones took care of the
> > church from 1880 - 1895 when they finally succeeded in uniting with the
> > Scotch Baptists'.
> >
> > The late Rev. Samuel Pierce has written a book about 'The History of
> > Penrhyndeudraeth and district Baptists' and I found out today that there
is
> > a copy of it in our local Archives Dept. and I could go there to have a
look
> > if you wish.
> >
> > Best of luck,
> >
> > Alice.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kathy and Ron Read" <readrk(a)shaw.ca>
> > To: <WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 6:42 AM
> > Subject: [GWYNEDD] Penrhyndeudraeth
> >
> > > Hi
> > > I am new to the list so please excuse my spelling of Welsh place
names.
> > > My gguncle John G Jones was the baptist minister in Penrhyndeudraeth
> > > about 1925. I have an article from a Liverpool paper about him being
> > > there fro a fundraiser for the church. He was also listed as being the
> > > oldest practising Baptist minister in Wales, He was 93
> > > I am trying to find anything on the old dear. I know that he was
married
> > > and that he was born in Ruabon in 1832 and that is about it.
> > > I sent an email to the village web site about 2 months ago asking if
> > > they could put me in touch with someone from the church, I have not
> > > heard back from them at all. So now I am asking if any of the list
> > > members could help me out
> > > Kathy Read
> > > Agassiz,BC,Canada
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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>
I am wondering if someone could assist me . I am researching my
Gr-Grandfather , Thomas HUGHES which had a brother named John THOMAS and
having tracked him on the 1881,1891,1901 Census and then going back to the
1861 Census I find that he was listed as age 10 on that census living again
in the same house as Hugh THOMAS and John THOMAS his brother and the cottage
was listed then as Pen y Rhos in 1861 and on the 1881,1891,1901 Census he
was living in a cottage called Bryn Eithin.....in Bodedern, Anglesey Wales.
Now on the 1861 Census there is listed a Thomas THOMAS........same age as my
Gr-Grandfather, born the same place.....as his brother John THOMAS.
Everything fits to tell me that my Gr-Grandfather was once Thomas THOMAS and
somewhere's along the line he became Thomas HUGHES. Perhaps, the welsh
naming system came into play here......which I strongly suspect....then it
would make sense.......Thomas ap Hugh...........thus getting Thomas HUGHES.
Everything else fits with this Thomas THOMAS being my Gr-Grandfather Thomas
HUGHES...both from rural countryside and being agriculture labourers, same
age.........same relation with John THOMAS and the curious part of it all is
that the rent on the cottage in Bodedern was paid on a yearly basis.......by
none other than Hugh THOMAS , which probably was my Gr-Gr-Grandfather. This
information was based upon seeing the history of the property at BrynEithin,
Bodedern, Anglesey Wales. Perhaps, one of the listers could help here to
shed some light on this. I really strongly believe that Thomas THOMAS and
Thomas HUGHES(Gr-Grandfather) are one and the same.
Regards,
Linda
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Dear Bill,
My ggggrandmother, Ann Owen was born on that farm in 1788. Her parents were
Robert Owen of that farm and Margaret Lewis from Llanycil. Robert Owen died
in 1824 at the age of 67 putting him at about 1757 birth date. Not sure if
it's Owen or Owens.
Sure would be nice to see a picture of that farm.
Regards,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: WTJ831509(a)aol.com [mailto:WTJ831509@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:54 AM
To: WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [GWYNEDD] Penrhyndeudraeth
Hello Pat
Cefndeuddwr is about two miles above Ganllwyd and outside the
parish of Trawsfynydd
Who are you looking for? as I have some old photos from there.
Regards
Bill
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Hello Pat
Cefndeuddwr is about two miles above Ganllwyd and outside the
parish of Trawsfynydd
Who are you looking for? as I have some old photos from there.
Regards
Bill
I noticed that you are from the Trawsfynydd area and wonder if you have ever
hear of a farm called Cefndeuddwr, which is supposed to be in your area.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: AliceWilliams [mailto:alice@isgoedwilliams.fsnet.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:36 PM
To: WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [GWYNEDD] Penrhyndeudraeth
Hello Kathy,
Greetings from Trawsfynydd, a village about nine miles from
Penrhyndeudraeth.
I found out a little about your relation in a booklet that was published
when the Wales Baptist Union held their Annual Conference in the vicinity
during 1963.
He was also a minister in Seion [B] Porthmadog - a town about three miles
from Penrhyndeudraeth from 1870 - 1879. The church in Penrhyn is called
Bethel and it is still a practising church.
The following was in Welsh, so I have tried to translate it for you.
'J. Gwyndud Jones when he was a minister in Porthmadog found out that some
Baptists in Penrhyn. were members of other Churches. He tried to get them
together and his purpose was for them to unite with the Scotch Baptists who
worshiped at Bryngwyn [another church], but it was not possible to unite at
that time. He had the loan of the Independent Church and he and the Rev.
Edward Parry, Ffestiniog, held a service there on 29 April, 1879. At a
fellowship meeting following the service it was found that nine members were
ready to re-start the Cause. The Church was bought from the Independents.
They had a new church to go to and the Rev. J. G. Jones took care of the
church from 1880 - 1895 when they finally succeeded in uniting with the
Scotch Baptists'.
The late Rev. Samuel Pierce has written a book about 'The History of
Penrhyndeudraeth and district Baptists' and I found out today that there is
a copy of it in our local Archives Dept. and I could go there to have a look
if you wish.
Best of luck,
Alice.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathy and Ron Read" <readrk(a)shaw.ca>
To: <WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 6:42 AM
Subject: [GWYNEDD] Penrhyndeudraeth
> Hi
> I am new to the list so please excuse my spelling of Welsh place names.
> My gguncle John G Jones was the baptist minister in Penrhyndeudraeth
> about 1925. I have an article from a Liverpool paper about him being
> there fro a fundraiser for the church. He was also listed as being the
> oldest practising Baptist minister in Wales, He was 93
> I am trying to find anything on the old dear. I know that he was married
> and that he was born in Ruabon in 1832 and that is about it.
> I sent an email to the village web site about 2 months ago asking if
> they could put me in touch with someone from the church, I have not
> heard back from them at all. So now I am asking if any of the list
> members could help me out
> Kathy Read
> Agassiz,BC,Canada
>
>
>
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> http://www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/
>
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Hi Alice
This is wonderful information. Thank you so much.
The info at the archive would sure be a help if you have the time. My mom will be thrilled as
she has never known much about him and has always wondered. I shall fax your info to her.
Thank you again
Kathy
AliceWilliams wrote:
> Hello Kathy,
>
> Greetings from Trawsfynydd, a village about nine miles from
> Penrhyndeudraeth.
>
> I found out a little about your relation in a booklet that was published
> when the Wales Baptist Union held their Annual Conference in the vicinity
> during 1963.
>
> He was also a minister in Seion [B] Porthmadog - a town about three miles
> from Penrhyndeudraeth from 1870 - 1879. The church in Penrhyn is called
> Bethel and it is still a practising church.
>
> The following was in Welsh, so I have tried to translate it for you.
>
> 'J. Gwyndud Jones when he was a minister in Porthmadog found out that some
> Baptists in Penrhyn. were members of other Churches. He tried to get them
> together and his purpose was for them to unite with the Scotch Baptists who
> worshiped at Bryngwyn [another church], but it was not possible to unite at
> that time. He had the loan of the Independent Church and he and the Rev.
> Edward Parry, Ffestiniog, held a service there on 29 April, 1879. At a
> fellowship meeting following the service it was found that nine members were
> ready to re-start the Cause. The Church was bought from the Independents.
> They had a new church to go to and the Rev. J. G. Jones took care of the
> church from 1880 - 1895 when they finally succeeded in uniting with the
> Scotch Baptists'.
>
> The late Rev. Samuel Pierce has written a book about 'The History of
> Penrhyndeudraeth and district Baptists' and I found out today that there is
> a copy of it in our local Archives Dept. and I could go there to have a look
> if you wish.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Alice.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kathy and Ron Read" <readrk(a)shaw.ca>
> To: <WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 6:42 AM
> Subject: [GWYNEDD] Penrhyndeudraeth
>
> > Hi
> > I am new to the list so please excuse my spelling of Welsh place names.
> > My gguncle John G Jones was the baptist minister in Penrhyndeudraeth
> > about 1925. I have an article from a Liverpool paper about him being
> > there fro a fundraiser for the church. He was also listed as being the
> > oldest practising Baptist minister in Wales, He was 93
> > I am trying to find anything on the old dear. I know that he was married
> > and that he was born in Ruabon in 1832 and that is about it.
> > I sent an email to the village web site about 2 months ago asking if
> > they could put me in touch with someone from the church, I have not
> > heard back from them at all. So now I am asking if any of the list
> > members could help me out
> > Kathy Read
> > Agassiz,BC,Canada
> >
> >
> >
> > ==== WLS-GWYNEDD Mailing List ====
> > Gwynedd Family History Society 36 Y Wern Y Felinheli, Gwynedd LL56 4TXX
> > e mail: Gwynedd.Roots(a)tesco.net or gwyneddroots(a)onetel.net.uk
> > http://www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/
> >
> > ==============================
> > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records,
> go to:
> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
> >
> >
>
> ==== WLS-GWYNEDD Mailing List ====
> Extracts from Trawsfynydd Bishop's Transcripts http://dolgellau.me.uk/M/BT/Traws/index.htm
>
> ==============================
> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to:
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Hi
I am new to the list so please excuse my spelling of Welsh place names.
My gguncle John G Jones was the baptist minister in Penrhyndeudraeth
about 1925. I have an article from a Liverpool paper about him being
there fro a fundraiser for the church. He was also listed as being the
oldest practising Baptist minister in Wales, He was 93
I am trying to find anything on the old dear. I know that he was married
and that he was born in Ruabon in 1832 and that is about it.
I sent an email to the village web site about 2 months ago asking if
they could put me in touch with someone from the church, I have not
heard back from them at all. So now I am asking if any of the list
members could help me out
Kathy Read
Agassiz,BC,Canada