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Hello everyone,
I've just seen a reference to my 4xg-grandparents living in "Croeswallt". I
can't find any such place, but a search of MultiMap suggests Crawcwellt in
Gwynedd as the most likely match. Does anyone know whether this is likely
to be the right place? What historical county would it have been in? I've
tried the Genuki gazetteer without success.
TIA
chrissie
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I am not sure what this decoder does but this mailing list seems to feel
it is valuable. There are other valuable links on this site also,
including a mariners site link, plus other free software. It is really a
site for genealogy applications/software and lookups, plus a message
board.
Betty Pace
From: "Rodney Hall" <rmh(a)rmhh.co.uk>
To: LANCSGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:26:49 -0000
Subject: RE: [LAN] Where can i obtain the 1901 decoder?
There is a link to the decoder at http://rmhh.co.uk/genapps.html
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Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:19 PM
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Subject: [LAN] Where can i obtain the 1901 decoder?
Can someone please point me in the right direction?
Thanks
Jon Seddon
(Researching SEDDON / MIDDLETON in Lancashire)
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In a message dated 16/03/2003 17:14:22 GMT Standard Time,
daffodil(a)webtribe.net writes:
> 4xg-grandparents living in "Croeswallt". I
> can't find any such place
Croesoswallt is the Welsh Name for Oswestry in Salop
All the best
Alwyn
Hi, Yes it is in North West Wales up in the corner near to Portmeirion..
Nadine
Come visit Rainbow Cottage
http://www.geocities.com/nadinebaldock/index.htm
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> I am not sure where Port Madoc is, but it sounds like Wales. See John
> Williams below.
> Betty Pace
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>
>
> Date:Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:16:20 -0000
> From:"Les Haigh" <Les.Haigh(a)btinternet.com>
> To:Mariners-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject:[Mar] Stray Mariner Burials
>
>
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Found these stray mariner burials in Folkestone, Kent parish church
> MIs. Thought they might help someone searching for a lost ancestor. Brief
>
> details for each below. Will send full inscription if anyone wants the
> details.
>
> Captain David HARDY of Sunderland age 64 buried 21 Oct 1786
>
> Boyce Fairclough HADDON Esq. Lieut. HMS STATELY age 27, buried 22nd Jan
> 1805
>
> William PATRICK drowned by wreck of the VIOLET Buried 6th Jan 1857
>
> John WILLIAMS Master of the Schooner SIX BROTHERS of Port Madoc age 51
> buried 5th May 1852
>
> Edwin LAMPEN late Admiralty Midship of HMS SEVERN age 23, died 24th
> Jan 1819
>
> Lieut. Robert HESKETH RN son of Sir Robert JUXON of Rufford, Lancs. age
> 36, died 15th April 1796
>
> Regards
> Les
> Berkshire UK
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Dorothy,
Do you ever go to London? The PRO does have a list of the order of the
parishes for every census - in books at the Family Records Centre in London.
I don't know whether this is the same as the online listing.
My recollection is that it does not give many folio numbers, something like:
District <name> ff.1-300
parish one
parish two
etc.
District <next name> ff.304-500
parish
Now the one piece of information which might be useful to you is that within
a district the parishes are normally put onto the film in alphabetic order.
I usually note down the parish order and then skip through the film until I
find the right one. After that it's a case of reading the description at
the beginning of each enumerator's return to see what it covers.
I suspect you will need to skip through making your own index with folio
numbers - it's not too long a job as each sheet has the parish written at the
top.
Regards
Bill G-J
Regarding the posting I sent on Isaac, the document in Gwynedd archives is
"n.d." ie "no date" but may be datable by info therein contained or by the
handwriting or paper used. I *suspect* that it is 1750-1850 but without
seeing it or a copy I don't know.
The PRO has an online catalogue (the proceeding was a Chancery matter) and
so a search of the PRO Chancery proceedings may throw up an Isaac reference
which dates this Caernarfon pedigree.
If it turns out to be yours, it will throw up a number of collateral
relations.
With a name like Isaac, is it worth doing a N Wales one name study?? With
the caveat that there was a strong methodist tradition (ie lots of Isaacs,
Josiahs, Samuels, Solomons, &c. and so relationships not guaranteed by
sharing an unusual patronymic), it may be worthwhile collecting all such
Isaac references.???
Ian
London
UK
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I am not sure where Port Madoc is, but it sounds like Wales. See John
Williams below.
Betty Pace
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Date:Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:16:20 -0000
From:"Les Haigh" <Les.Haigh(a)btinternet.com>
To:Mariners-L@rootsweb.com
Subject:[Mar] Stray Mariner Burials
Hello Everyone,
Found these stray mariner burials in Folkestone, Kent parish church
MIs. Thought they might help someone searching for a lost ancestor. Brief
details for each below. Will send full inscription if anyone wants the
details.
Captain David HARDY of Sunderland age 64 buried 21 Oct 1786
Boyce Fairclough HADDON Esq. Lieut. HMS STATELY age 27, buried 22nd Jan
1805
William PATRICK drowned by wreck of the VIOLET Buried 6th Jan 1857
John WILLIAMS Master of the Schooner SIX BROTHERS of Port Madoc age 51
buried 5th May 1852
Edwin LAMPEN late Admiralty Midship of HMS SEVERN age 23, died 24th
Jan 1819
Lieut. Robert HESKETH RN son of Sir Robert JUXON of Rufford, Lancs. age
36, died 15th April 1796
Regards
Les
Berkshire UK
Hi.
I ordered the 1861 Census for Caernarvonshire last November, it is due to
arrive next month.
In preparation I would like to find the peice numbers for the various
parishes.
Does anyone know where I can find such an index?
TIA, Dorothy.
In a message dated 15/03/2003 10:53:14 GMT Standard Time,
dorothy(a)pheasantperch.freeserve.co.uk writes:
> Hi.
> I ordered the 1861 Census for Caernarvonshire last November, it is due to
> arrive next month.
> In preparation I would like to find the peice numbers for the various
> parishes.
> Does anyone know where I can find such an index?
> TIA, Dorothy.
>
>
If you go to the Public Records Office Procat Catalogue at
<A HREF="http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/">http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/</A>
and type in the Reference number RG9 in the box at the top left hand corner,
then choose the option browse the catalogue from here. Use the link that says
bottom to go to the very end of the list of counties and you will find
Caernarfonshire with a + by its side. By clicking on the + you can expand the
option to get individual parish details.
It is a slow process, and probably not quite what you are looking for, but it
is the only list of Census records numbers that I am aware of.
all the best
Alwyn
I am looking for the Parry family of Beddau Mawr, Llanffinan, Anglesey.
John and Elin Parry were living there during the 1871 and following censuses, and in 1871 his father also called John (born 1792) also lived there.
The census suggests that John was born in Tregaean in 1819, and that Elin was born in Llanfihangel Tre'r Beirdd in 1821, but I have not found their marriage in the Llanfihangel Tre'r Beirdd registers, nor John's christening in either Tregaean, or Rhosmeirch Congregationalist chapel. They were Congregationalists and used to walk the fairly substantial distance from Beddau Mawr, near Talwrn to Rhosmeirch, near Llangefni.
Elin died on 31 October 1900 and John died on 12 April 1901and were both buried at Rhosmeirch Congregational chapel.
They had at least three children, but I have not been able to track down their births.
They had a daughter Ann, born 1844, and buried at Rhosmeirch in 1860, and her gravestone says that she was of Beddau Mawr. Yet the 1861 census gives a different family (also called Parry) as living at Beddau Mawr, and I have not been able to locate my Parrys in either 1861 or 1851. (The census index for 1851 on Anglesey Lookup did not find any families meeting the description of my Parrys anywhere on Anglesey).
They had a son John, born 1847, who lived in Beddau Mawr in 1871 and was described as an agricultural labourer.
In 1881 he lived at 63 Chatsworth Street, Liverpool, near Edge Hill station, with his sister Jane Anne and brother-in-law, William Jones, and was described as a master builder, but he is not mentioned in the book "The Welsh Builder on Merseyside". By 1822-29 he lived in Bridge Street, Llangefni, in the building which was later Caffi'r Ddwylan, and died on 21 October 1929.
Jane Ann Parry (my gt-gt-grandmother) was born in 1857, but does not appear with her family in 1871. She married William Jones, a railway guard from Crewe, at Llanffinan Parish church.
In 1881 they lived at 63 Chatsworth Street, Liverpool, and the 1891 census gives her place of birth as Llanddyfnan, Anglesey. She moved back to Beddau Mawr after the death of her parents, and died in 1927.
Hi Betty,
Thank you for the web addresses.
Do you know where I would go to find Parish registers for the Marriage of
Lewis Thomas and Catherine Jones in Merioneth North Wales?Richard's Parents
The gazetteer is good but a bit confusing it could be so many of those
places.What I need is a welsh accent as someone else would have written
those place names down from Richard's pronunciation.
Thank you so much for your help
regards Marilyn
At 02:10 PM 12/03/03, you wrote:
>You might try
>http://www.gazetteer-wales.co.uk/ OR
>Tallis's Topographical Dictionary at
>http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/tallis
>Betty Pace
><snip>
>From: Watson Family <watsonb(a)iinet.com.au>
>To: WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:24:04 +0800
>Subject: [GWYNEDD] Place names
>Hi There from very hot Western Australia,
> I am trying to find the place of birth
>
>of my ancestor.
>His name is Richard Lewis Thomas born c1821 Parents Lewis Thomas and
>Catherine Jones.
>Richard was born in Merioneth North Wales.He and his wife Elizabeth
>Davies
>married in Brynmawr in 1845 and migrated to Australia in 1853.On his
>childrens birth certificate there are several different spellings of
>Richard's place of birth.
> 1.Cllynyn
> 2.Cllywyn
> 3.Clinnin
> 4.Clinine
> 5.Llynin
>Can anyone help me sort out what it should be as we plan to visit Wales
>in
>June this year and would like to visit the birthplace
>Cheers Marilyn
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Dear list,
I remember someone interested in an Isaac family of Caernarfonshire. I
wonder if this is of interest. It is a reference to a doc in Gwynedd
Archives, Caernarfon. Please feel free to republish on the relevant list if
you know who's interested.
BTW, the online search engine for Gwynedd on their web site is brilliant but
you do have to try every possible variation on spelling and there are a few
transcription errors eg "Gorton" for Sorton.
Ian
now London UK
X/POOLE/5148
n.d. PEDIGREE produced in the case Elizabeth Isaac, Catherine Williams,
widow, William Bevan, yeoman and Jane his wife, Gwen Ingram, widow, Robert
Roberts, yeoman and Mary his wife, Jane Griffith, widow, William Williams
alias Ellis, yeoman and Anne his wife, Griffith Jones, butcher and Elizabeth
his wife -v- Richard Parry, yeoman, Elizabeth Jones alias Lewis, widow, Ann
Parry, spinster, and John Griffith, yeoman. (Chancery.) The pedigree
demonstrates the claims of the different parties in the dispute.
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Hi Alywyn,
Many thanks for your suggestion will have to look it up on my
atlas.Is it spelt that way in English and Welsh? Is it in the Gwynedd
area?If so should I now be going to the Gwynedd Record Office to try and
find his birth? Do you know their e-mail address?
Many Thanks for your help
regards Marilyn Watson
At 10:53 PM 11/03/03, you wrote:
>In a message dated 11/03/2003 13:26:59 GMT Standard Time,
>watsonb(a)iinet.com.au writes:
>
> > 1.Cllynyn
> > 2.Cllywyn
> > 3.Clinnin
> > 4.Clinine
> > 5.Llynin
> > Can anyone help me sort out what it should be as we plan to visit Wales in
> > June this year and would like to visit the birthplace
> >
>
>This looks like it should be Celynin, which is a coastal parish between the
>towns of Dolgellau and Tywyn (Towyn) in Merionethshire.
>
>Alwyn
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You might try
http://www.gazetteer-wales.co.uk/ OR
Tallis's Topographical Dictionary at
http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/tallis
Betty Pace
<snip>
From: Watson Family <watsonb(a)iinet.com.au>
To: WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:24:04 +0800
Subject: [GWYNEDD] Place names
Hi There from very hot Western Australia,
I am trying to find the place of birth
of my ancestor.
His name is Richard Lewis Thomas born c1821 Parents Lewis Thomas and
Catherine Jones.
Richard was born in Merioneth North Wales.He and his wife Elizabeth
Davies
married in Brynmawr in 1845 and migrated to Australia in 1853.On his
childrens birth certificate there are several different spellings of
Richard's place of birth.
1.Cllynyn
2.Cllywyn
3.Clinnin
4.Clinine
5.Llynin
Can anyone help me sort out what it should be as we plan to visit Wales
in
June this year and would like to visit the birthplace
Cheers Marilyn
______________________________
Hi There from very hot Western Australia,
I am trying to find the place of birth
of my ancestor.
His name is Richard Lewis Thomas born c1821 Parents Lewis Thomas and
Catherine Jones.
Richard was born in Merioneth North Wales.He and his wife Elizabeth Davies
married in Brynmawr in 1845 and migrated to Australia in 1853.On his
childrens birth certificate there are several different spellings of
Richard's place of birth.
1.Cllynyn
2.Cllywyn
3.Clinnin
4.Clinine
5.Llynin
Can anyone help me sort out what it should be as we plan to visit Wales in
June this year and would like to visit the birthplace
Cheers Marilyn
In a message dated 11/03/2003 13:26:59 GMT Standard Time,
watsonb(a)iinet.com.au writes:
> 1.Cllynyn
> 2.Cllywyn
> 3.Clinnin
> 4.Clinine
> 5.Llynin
> Can anyone help me sort out what it should be as we plan to visit Wales in
> June this year and would like to visit the birthplace
>
This looks like it should be Celynin, which is a coastal parish between the
towns of Dolgellau and Tywyn (Towyn) in Merionethshire.
Alwyn
List members living within easy travelling distance to Wrexham may be
interested in the following event which is to be held on Monday 24th March as
part of Wrexham Science Festival:
~~~~~~~~~
SURNAMES, GENES AND POPULATIONS
The distribution pattern of surnames in a population can give an insight into
social structure, settlement history and genetic relationships within and
between communities. The research method which enables this to be done is
called isonymy, and is based on a genetic model that treats surnames as if
they were genes. Examples from England and Ireland show that the method can
reveal the effects of occupation, religion, migration and geography on
surname patterns.
The assumption that surnames can be treated as genes is not always precise,
but recent work on the pattern of Y chromosomal DNA markers among different
surnames shows the analogy to be surprisingly robust. Dr Malcolm Smith, from
the Department of Anthropology at Durham University, will explore this
intriguing topic and explain how DNA studies are increasingly employed in
family history to explore the relationship between people sharing the same
surname.
Venue: NEWI B23
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More details about the festival can be found on its website:
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all the best
Alwyn
Around the turn of the century (1902), my ggrandfather and his entire
family left Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales, to go to Liverpool, where he became
a tobacco merchant (as he had been in Amlwch) and then a "removal
contractor;" I think that means he moved furniture, but not sure. Their
home was in Kensington, Liverpool, and they attended the Kensington
Congregationalist Chapel (probably the Welsh-speaking one)in Liverpool.
He had been a choir director in the Congregationalist/Independent chapel
in Amlwch before this move to Liverpool.
GEORGE MORGAN HUGHES (1840Amlwch-1916Liverpool) and his wife MARY JANE
(WILLIAMS) (1852-1905Liverpool) had numerous children born in Amlwch, all
of whom went to Liverpool with their parents and married there. His
parents were JOHN and ANNE (nee Morgan) HUGHES; and her parents were
Master Mariner JOHN and MARY (nee JONES) WILLIAMS; her step-mother was
MARY (nee
GRIFFITH) WILLIAMS of Amlwch.
CHILDREN OF GEORGE MORGAN HUGHES of Amlwch and Liverpool:
(1) JOHN HUGHES (1874-1951), m. Frances (Fanny) E. OWEN. One child - May
Hughes, who m. Robert Norman ROBERTS (he was also born in Amlwch and
moved to Liverpool).
(2) WILLIAM LEWIS HUGHES (1877-1930), m. Sarah...... Bill was disfigured
at Gallopoli.
(3) ANNE MARY HUGHES (1879-1959), m. Thomas WILLIAMS. Children: Ivor and
Glyn (male).
(4) HANNAH HUGHES (1881-1952), m. Alfred BUTLER. One child - Claude
(5) ELEANOR HUGHES (1885-1916) my grandmother, who came to the U.S. in
1915.
(6) JAMES WILLIAMS HUGHES (1887-1974), m. Edith May CARTER. Two
children: Lilian and Geo. M.
(7) CATHARINE GERTRUDE HUGHES (1888-1971), m. OWEN PARRY WILLIAMS.
Children: David John and Mary Gwendolen, who married Fred BARNARD.
(8) ELIZA MYFANWY HUGHES (1889-1982), m. Capt. ROBERT MARKS. Children:
Robin (died), Jeffrey Ivor, and Marjorie.
(9) HERBERT IVOR HUGHES (1890-1964), spouse unknown
(10) EMILY MAUD HUGHES (1891-1979), m. Thomas Charles NUTTALL. Children:
Ronald Glynn, Norman Downing, Betty Marie (who m. Ernest Richard McKAY
I would love to contact any researchers of these people in my distant
family in the UK.
Betty Pace - Norfolk, VA USA
Hi Sue,
I quote from "Caernarfon: The Old Town" by Cledwyn Flynn-Hughes, Bryn Parry
& Robert Williams (Gwynedd Archives Services 1975):
"H. J. Hughes, Photographer and Phrenologist, a native of Flintshire, who
began life as a farm labourer, developed a latent artistic talent and took
up photography as a profession. He set up business in a caravan near
Caernarfon Castle in c. 1860, and later opened a studio in Twthill as a
portrait painter and photographic artist. Eventually he moved on to Trefriw,
Rhyl, Liverpool and St. Annes on Sea. He spent the last years of his life in
Dyserth, dying there aged 94 in 1924. His interest in phrenology led to the
publication of a Welsh treatise on the subject."
Unfortunately, I've no access to the 1861 Census for Caernarfon at the
moment, but from the Caernarfon & Denbigh Herald of the 15th. January 1877
there was a piece referring to the transfer of the licence of a public house
called the Dinorwic Vaults from Bangor Street to Twthill. I
quote........"Mrs. Roberts had entered into a contract for the purchase of
the premises now occupied by Mr. Hughes, photographer, in Twthill...."
So it would seem that H. J. Hughes left Caernarfon in early 1877.
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Keith Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: "sue adam" <susana(a)ncable.net.au>
To: <WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:35 AM
Subject: [GWYNEDD] Photographer in Carnarvon
> Hi All, I have some old (un-named of course, darn it) photos with "H. J.
Hughes, Portrait Painter and Photographic Artist. Carnarvon" on the back.
I am wondering whether anyone can date the photographer please? Sue in
Australia