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In a message dated 23/11/2001 13:26:39 GMT Standard Time, joscyn(a)hotmail.com
writes:
> I am writing regarding the interesting problem mentioned in the last posting
> I received from the list where a Catherine Lewis' father was given as Hugh
> Hughes. There was an article in a recent (last 3 years or so) "Gwynedd
> Roots" about similar problem highlighting patterns in naming in North Wales
> in the last century and before.
>
> Assuming the birth was legitimate, could there have been a simple mistake?
> Could Lewis be another family name eg was Hugh Hughes the son of a Hugh
> Lewis? Could Catherine Lewis have been a grandmother's name that Catherine
> was given or adopted? Other listers may have other suggestions.
>
>
I have examples in my wife's family tree from Capel Garmon c 1813-23 where
all the Children have taken their mother's maiden surname as their surname,
rather than the fathers', despite the fact that they were all born within
wedlock. It may be that Catherine's mother was a Miss Lewis prior to marriage
Regards
Alwyn
I am writing regarding the interesting problem mentioned in the last posting
I received from the list where a Catherine Lewis' father was given as Hugh
Hughes. There was an article in a recent (last 3 years or so) "Gwynedd
Roots" about similar problem highlighting patterns in naming in North Wales
in the last century and before.
Assuming the birth was legitimate, could there have been a simple mistake?
Could Lewis be another family name eg was Hugh Hughes the son of a Hugh
Lewis? Could Catherine Lewis have been a grandmother's name that Catherine
was given or adopted? Other listers may have other suggestions.
There are examples in the records of Capel Pen Lon, Pwllheli of similar
instances where the births are known to be legitimate.
Sources other than parish registers eg wills or land records may be useful.
Good luck!
Ian
Brighton UK
Hope that's helpful.
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Dear Listers,
Now looking for any trace of a THOMAS GREENLY, born about 1790, a Sweep by
profession thought to be in Bangor in 1848 for the marriage of his son
BENJAMIN GREENLY, born about 1816 - possibly in Bangor but not sure.
Benjamin married CATHERINE LEWIS in 1848 at the Cathedral Church Bangor. Her
father was HUGH HUGHES (unable to explain why surnames do not agree - she was
described as spinster on marriage cert). Children are believed to be SAMUEL
b.1851, PRICILLA b. ???, LOUISA b.???, SELINA b. 1865, and SERENA b.1869.
No Greenlys show on 1851 census.
Benjamin known to have lived in Field Street, Bangor (widow in 1881 census).
Samuel known to have lived at Hill Street, Upper Bangor (from 1883 Porters
Directory).
Desperately seeking BENJAMIN's place and date of birth plus any info on
THOMAS.
Could sks check trade directories and other possible sources for clues.
Many thanks
David Matthews
>Hi ALL
>
>For the past three years I've been stuck on my male
>line, ggg grandfather Owen WILLIAMS of LLAETHDY BACH
>AMLWCH who died in 1867 , with no clues as to who his
>parents were , then hope , I found a copy of the BT'S
>of Penrhosllugwy which is where he notes as coming
>from in the census's.(no original parish records for
>the years of research) My problem is that I have three
>possible birth years for him;
>1801 - CENSUS
>1798 - GRAVESTONE
>1792 - BURIAL RECORDS
>
>Which one is the more likely?
>cofion gorau
>ALED.....
The last two records should have more or less agreed as they were
contemporaneous but the discrepancy gives some indication of how
unreliable they are. If his birth had been recorded in family bible
then a family member should have been able to provide the correct
year (age) for the gravestone and burial records.
I'd go for the census as its earlier and being alive he would be more
likely to know his birth day and year than an unspecified informant
after his death. You should try to obtain the age in both the 1851
and 1861 censuses. There's also the possibility that the 1841
enumerator didn't round down to the nearest multiple of five.
--
Regards
Dick Jones Leigh-on-Sea Essex UK
mailto://rcjones@rmplc.co.uk
Megan:
Am sending along my Family History that I have compiled so far, maybe some of
this will refresh your memory. If something clicks let me know.
THOMAS HUGHES..... birth unknown Occupation: Farm Labourer in Anglesey
ELLEN HUGHES,nee JONES.....spouse to THOMAS HUGHES
THOMAS DAVID HUGHES......son of Thomas and Ellen.....born either November
17,1881 and birth registered in first quarter of 1882 in Anglesey---or born
in 1883 and birth registered in first quarter of 1884
Family believed to have lived in a small village called Bryngwran
HUGH HUGHES-----relationship to this family is unknown...was witness at
Thomas David Hughes wedding on April 23, 1910
WILLIAM ROBERTS: born c. 1851 or 1852 -Machynlleth, Montgomery,Wales
Occupation listed as a Tailor Journeyman Death date unknown....but do know
he was deceased in 1910 at the time of daughters wedding.
JANE ROBERTS,nee ROWLANDS.....b. 1851 or 1852 in Portmadoc , Wales
Married William Roberts on December 25,1873 in Llandrygarn,Anglesey Wales
Children were:
LAURA ROBERTS.......born in Portmadoc,Caernarvon Wales c. 1877 or 1876
married to THOMAS DAVID HUGHES on April 23,1910 at the Welsh Congregational
Church, Martin Lane Liscard....Birkenhead England in Chester
Counties......Witness to the wedding were Ellen Jane Roberts and Hugh Hughes
Died in 1918 in Utica, NY in the USA ( Influenza Epidemic)
WILLIAM ROBERTS.....born in Portmadoc, Wales....1875
ELLIS ROBERTS.....born in Portmadoc, Wales in 1878
MARGARET ROBERTS....born in Portmadoc, Wales in 1874
ELLEN JANE ROBERTS....born in Portmadoc, Wales in 1880
Would very much like to find the marriage of Thomas and Ellen Hughes., nee
Jones ...to one another. Think this would provide some clues as to my
HUGHES....AND JONES .
Know that this information is scanty at best...but is all I have to go on.
Would appreciate anything you can find out about any of the above listed.
Thanks so much for your offer to help.....I appreciate it. Living in the
United States makes researching Hughes, Jones, and Roberts very hard.. Just
recently have acquired the Rowland branch of my tree.
Thanks Again for whatever help you can be to me.
Regards,
Lynn
I'm researching the following family:
James Jones (Mason by trade) spouse Anne (Possibly Rowlands) m 5/8/1818 =Llanbeblig. They had a daughter Jane bap. 5/9/1819 Nefyn. Jane married =John Parry 6/10/1837 Nefyn.
Anyone interested???
regards
Geraint
Hi Aled:
Nice to know someone else is tackling the same problem as I am with different
birth dates and dates on records. My grandfather was Thomas Hughes, son of
Thomas and EllenHughes,nee Jones. Problem I have run into is the same thing
with the different birth dates, it had been suggested it was possible he was
conceived out of wedlock and therefore changed the dates. That was one
theory, other was that since he was born in November of 1881 made sense his
birth was registered in first part of new quarter. That his parents, my
great-grandparents just waited to registered. Wish someone out there could
give us some answers.
Good luck on your search.
Lynn
New York
Hi ALL
For the past three years I've been stuck on my male
line, ggg grandfather Owen WILLIAMS of LLAETHDY BACH
AMLWCH who died in 1867 , with no clues as to who his
parents were , then hope , I found a copy of the BT'S
of Penrhosllugwy which is where he notes as coming
from in the census's.(no original parish records for
the years of research) My problem is that I have three
possible birth years for him;
1801 - CENSUS
1798 - GRAVESTONE
1792 - BURIAL RECORDS
Which one is the more likely?
cofion gorau
ALED.....
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Is there SKS on the list who has a copy of the 1969 Transactions of the Anglesey Antiquarian Society and could look up something for me, please?
In the index to the Society journals reference is made to Bodsilin, Llanferian in the 1969 volume, pages 56 and 83. Unfortunately we don't have a copy of that edition! and I would be interested to know what is said as neither Llanferian nor Bodsilin seem to be in existance today.
Many thanks
Pat Chapman
Hi all!
I am new to this list so I thought I would post my interests!!
I am looking for any info on one of the ROWLANDS families from Tywyn. I have traced to Richard ROWLANDS - born 1823, died 1898. He was my 3xgreat grandfather.
My 2xgreat grandfather was William Rowlands (1860 - 1950), and his son Thomas Richmond Rowlands (1890 - 1988) was my great grandfather.
If anyone recognises any of these names, please please get in touch!
Thanks in advance
Sharon
Kilwinning, Scotland
Maybe it was different in the past, but these days, in most of the
harping world, a harpist is reserved for someone who plays a concert
harp (with pedals) whereas a harper is someone who plays one of the
smaller(folk) harps, which are perhaps closer to what people played
before pedal harps were invented. Someone who makes harps is called a
harpmaker - so at the Edinburgh Harp Festival (held every year starting
the weekend before Easter) there is a Harpmakers' Exhibition - see
http://www.harpfestival.co.uk/exhibition.htm.
The Welsh triple harp however is larger, and is better able to be used
to play classical music, so perhaps the term harpist is the right one
there. (I think Robin Huw Bowen calls himself a harpist rather than a
harper.)
I have come across the term harper used of a possible ancestor in
Llangar, MER, in the mid-18th century - John Roberts' occupation was
sometimes given just as weaver, but sometimes as "weaver and harper" and
I did assume this meant that he played it, but perhaps this is wrong.
The Welsh word telynor could be translated by either harper or harpist -
is there a Welsh word for harpmaker?
Best wishes,
Ann
AlwynapHuw(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> Den 47 is Llanrwst.
> A Harper is a person who makes a harp (harpists play them). I have book
> called Seiri Cerdd Nant Conwy, which gives short backgrounds of some of the
> harpers in Llanrwst. If you give me a name I can see if your harper is in it.
--
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Institute for Meteorology, University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH9 3JZ, Scotland Tel. (+44)/(0)131 650 5104
email: ann(a)met.ed.ac.uk
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Hello,
Could someone please do a look up on the 1891 Census for:
Thomas Jones - fathers name Robert Jones (Slate Labour) address Tan y grisiau?
Alice Owen - Robert Owen (Slate Quarrier) address festiniog
They married in 1896 , Thomas would have been about 21 and Alice would have been about 20 on the 1891 Census.
Also they married in Gilgal Chapel in Maentwrog, does anyone have any info on this church?
I have a couple of possibilities on the 1881 Census but a lookup on the 1891 might just confirm.
Many thanks
Mandy
Den 47 is Llanrwst.
A Harper is a person who makes a harp (harpists play them). I have book
called Seiri Cerdd Nant Conwy, which gives short backgrounds of some of the
harpers in Llanrwst. If you give me a name I can see if your harper is in it.
Regards
Alwyn
Dear Pat
Depending which part of Llanllechid you want, it could be difficult.
I think this is the area which also covers Bethesda and if so, then part of
the census is lost for ever, destroyed in a fire.
Have you tried the Archive Offices in Caernarvon they hold the census returns
for Llanllechid. I don't know about the University.
Regards
JUDY.
Dear listers
Thank you all so much for the info re wills
cofion gorau
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Can anyone tell me where I can see the Census returns for Llanllechid and Aber?
Am I right in thinking that they are on microficche at the University?
Many thanks
Pat Chapman
In a message dated 09/11/2001 17:42:32 GMT Standard Time,
Pat(a)pat24.freeserve.co.uk writes:
> Can anyone tell me where I can see the Census returns for Llanllechid and
> Aber?
> Am I right in thinking that they are on microficche at the University?
>
> Many thanks
> Pat Chapman
>
>
>
Yes, they are in the Library of what use to be the Normal Collage, now known
as the Menai Site of the University.
Regards
Alwyn