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Please could someone tell me on what date the GRO quarters are based?
Are they on the date of birth itself or on the date of registration of the birth?
Thanking you in anticipation.
Gwyneth.
These children baptised at Penstryd Chapel Trawsfynydd, the offspring of
Griffith Humphrey(s) and Ann(e) Owen are the best lead I have had in 10 years
of research into my paternal line. I hope that John is my grandfather's
grandfather.
Before "claiming" them as mine I need to do a lot more research, but, in the
meantime if anybody else has them in their family tree, I would love to hear
from them in order to compare notes.
1. Anne HUMPHREY - 30 Apr 1819 Penstreet Independent, Trawsfynydd, Merioneth,
Wales
2. Griffith HUMPHREY - 14 Feb 1829 Penstreet Independent, Trawsfynydd,
Merioneth, Wales
3. John HUMPHREY - 27 May 1831 Penstreet Independent, Trawsfynydd, Merioneth,
Wales
4. Elizabeth HUMPHREY - 22 Mar 1834 Penstreet Independent, Trawsfynydd,
Merioneth, Wales
5. Humphrey Morris HUMPHREYS - 9 Oct 1821 Penstreet Independent, Trawsfynydd,
Merioneth, Wales
6. William HUMPHREYS - 7 Jun 1826 Penstreet Independent, Trawsfynydd,
Merioneth, Wales
7. Eleanor HUMPHREYS - 1 Apr 1836 Penstreet Independent, Trawsfynydd,
Merioneth, Wales
Regards
Alwyn
Annwyl Aled,
I don't know Feidiog Uchaf Farm, but the hill Moel y Feidiog is now covered
by Coed y Brenin, I suspect that Feidiog Uchaf would be there. (I seem to
recall somebody in school with me who lived in Pen y Feidiog on the outskirts
of Coed y Brenin, but I may be mistaken.)
I am not 100% certain of parish boundaries, but I would suspect that if it is
not in Trawsfynydd it will be in Llanycil (usually grouped with the Bala
area)
Cofion gorau
Alwyn
In a message dated 21/10/2001 19:10:10 GMT Daylight Time,
aledfychan(a)yahoo.com writes:
> Hi ALL
>
> I recently went through the 1851 census of Trawsfynydd
> three times looking for an address known as FEIDIOG
> UCHAF but to no avail, I could have missed it of
> course , but it could be on a parish border etc Does
> anybody know of this address or tell me where else I
> should have a look.
>
> cofion gorau
> ALED...
>
Hi ALL
I recently went through the 1851 census of Trawsfynydd
three times looking for an address known as FEIDIOG
UCHAF but to no avail, I could have missed it of
course , but it could be on a parish border etc Does
anybody know of this address or tell me where else I
should have a look.
cofion gorau
ALED...
____________________________________________________________
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Go to http://uk.yahoo.com/nokiagame/ and join the new
all media adventure before November 3rd.
I don't have access to the 1871 Census for Llanllechid, but researchers with
an interest in the parish can find a transcript of the 1851 Census for the
village here
<A HREF="http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CAE/Llanllechid/LlanllechidAE_476.html"><1851 Census, Llanllechid - Folios 476 to 478</A>>
Regards
Alwyn
In a message dated 20/10/2001 20:16:43 GMT Daylight Time,
awt10(a)surfglobal.net writes:
> someone has access to the 1871 census for Llanllechid in North Wales, I
> would appreciate your looking to see what Jones live at Tyn y Maes Village,
> #19. In 1851 census the following lived at that address.
> Morris Jones 32
> Laura Jones 32
> John Jones 10
> Mary Jones 7
> William Jones 5
> Morris Jones 2
> Robert Jones 2 months
>
> If there were additional children I would be interested in knowing their
> names as I believe this is the family of my great grandfather John Jones as
> his father's name was Morris and his mother's name was Laura according to
> his death records. If John is in the 1871 census I will know I have the
> wrong family as he came to the USA in 1869. Thank you for any help you can
> give me.
>
> William Thomas
If someone has access to the 1871 census for Llanllechid in North Wales, I would appreciate your looking to see what Jones live at Tyn y Maes Village, #19. In 1851 census the following lived at that address.
Morris Jones 32
Laura Jones 32
John Jones 10
Mary Jones 7
William Jones 5
Morris Jones 2
Robert Jones 2 months
If there were additional children I would be interested in knowing their names as I believe this is the family of my great grandfather John Jones as his father's name was Morris and his mother's name was Laura according to his death records. If John is in the 1871 census I will know I have the wrong family as he came to the USA in 1869. Thank you for any help you can give me.
William Thomas
As far as I know, the only two places in North Wales which have the GRO index
are the Clwyd Records Office in Rhuthin Gaol and the Latter Day Saint's
Family History centre in Rhyl.
If you find going to either place too awkward or expensive, you can order
certificates on-line through companies such as:
<A HREF="http://www.aha.ndirect.co.uk/">Click here: Birth, marriage and death certificates obtained for UK ancestors.</A>
They charge about £8.50 for certificates.
If the record number you used in contact with the GRO is the record number on
the certificate that you had from Conwy, the reason why they couldn't find it
is because both offices use different record numbers.
Regards
Alwyn
In a message dated 20/10/2001 04:08:40 GMT Daylight Time, go.anchor(a)tesco.net
writes:
> Thank you to all who replied to my previous message with information, and
> suggestions that I should try my local registry office.
> I already have a certificate from this office which I think has been
> transcribed incorrectly due to the original handwriting. As the public are
> not permitted to see the original certificates I was hoping to buy one from
> Southport which I believe will be a photocopy of the original and then I
> can decide for myself what is written on the certificate.
> As the Southport office cannot find the certificate with the GRO ref I gave
> them I presume there must be an error in the transcription of that also.
> On the Birth Certificate, issued in Conwy, County of Caernarvon, Evan
> JONES was born 27 March 1857.
> If anyone could tell me where I can look up the GRO index in the Conwy area
> I would be grateful?
>
> Another question - does anyone know of the JONES family living at Hirfaes,
> nr. Hendre, Conwy in mid 1800. I have the details from the 1841 and 1851
> census but would like to know of any other family members who had left
> home.
> best wishes
> Gwyneth
>
>
The Rhodri who married Beatrice de Malpas was the brother and not the son of
Llywelyn II (ein Llyw Olaf/ the last/ap Gruffydd)
He was the 3rd son of Gruffydd ap Llywelyn. The earliest records about him
show him as being a hostage of King Henry III of England in 1241. He was
freed in 1248 and returned to Wales with his brothers Llywelyn II and Owain
Goch giving sureties for his loyalty to the King.
Because of Llywelyn's policy of reforming Welsh laws of heredity, getting rid
of the old tradition of everything being divided equally between all heirs,
he fell out with Llywelyn who imprisoned him until he agreed to sell his
birthright to his big brother for 1,000 marks.
Llywelyn released him under the agreement, but didn't cough up the promised
cash. This is one of the background niggles that lead to the 1282 conquest of
Wales, because Edward I supported Rhodri in his claim for the promised money.
With the support of Edward he became an important landowner in Cheshire and a
manorial lord in Tatsfield, Surrey.
He married Beatrice the Daughter of David de Malpas in 1281, after she died
(1290) he married a woman called Catherine.
Rhodri's Grandson through his marriage to Catherine was Owain ap Tomos ap
Rhodri aka Owain Llawgoch and Yevain de Galles, who was murdered by the
English in 1378 to stop him laying any claim to the crown of Wales.
I have looked through the index of Griffith's Pedigrees, but I can not find
reference to Rhodri there.
Hope this helps
All the best
Alwyn
In a message dated 18/10/2001 08:18:24 GMT Daylight Time,
ally(a)caboolture.net.au writes:
> Hi fellow listers,
>
> I am brand new to this list, and am looking for any information about -
>
> RHODRI, born in 1240, the youngest? son of Llywelyn ap Gruffydd, who was
> known as Llywelyn the last ap Gruffydd. (1225-1282)
>
> Did Rhodri marry Beatrice De Mal Pas of Surrey?
>
> Did he forsake Gwynedd and move to Surrey, changing his name to the
> English, Roderick Griffith?
>
> Did he own land in Tatsfield, Surrey?
>
> I believe a son named Thomas was born - I don't know where - in 1295.
>
> Does anyone know anything of any of his descendants?
>
> Any information would be most appreciated.
>
> Regards
>
> Alison Griffith - Bribie Island, Australia
> ally(a)caboolture.net.au
>
>
In a message dated 19/10/2001 12:34:34 GMT Daylight Time, bapace2(a)juno.com
writes:
<< I can't answer any of your questions on Rhodri Ap Llywellyn but I think
your source of informationmight be John E. Griffith's "Pedigrees of
Anglesey and Caernaravonshire Families..." Some of that book can be
searched on a database on the worldconnect section of Rootsweb. The book
itself is hard to come by.
>>
The book can be bought on micro-fiche from Gwynedd FHS.
Regards
Alwyn
I can't answer any of your questions on Rhodri Ap Llywellyn but I think
your source of informationmight be John E. Griffith's "Pedigrees of
Anglesey and Caernaravonshire Families..." Some of that book can be
searched on a database on the worldconnect section of Rootsweb. The book
itself is hard to come by.
Go to www.Rootsweb.com
Scroll down to the World Connect link (left I think)
When you see a box into which you can type the database you want, type
in:
WILLPERF
You might be able to take a shortcut by typing:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com
>From there you can search for Rhodri etc. It will probably take a while
but may give you some answers.
Hi Dorothy:
Allow me to add to the confusion of HUGHES My grandparents were Thomas
HUGHES AND Laura ROBERTS....they were married on April 23, 1910 in the Welsh
Congregational Church ,Martin Lane Liscard in Birkenhead, England in the
counties of Chester. Witness to this wedding was a Hugh Hughes. I read the
posting about Thomas Hughes and Hugh Hughes and must admit I am so confused.
My great-grandfather was a Thomas Hughes also, and he married a Ellen Jones
in Wales and they lived in Anglesey. I must admit trying to research the
names of HUGHES, JONES, AND ROBERTS has my head spinning.
Can anyone out there clear up some of this confusion for me.
Regards,
Linda
USA
Further to my last email, the couple were married at Caersalem Baptist Chapel, Garmon Street,
Is this chapel still there and would they have any records somewhere?
I have a feeling that all these HUGHES are in my family somewhere.
TIA
Dorothy.2739
Hi,
Would anyone have the 1891 Census for the above and do a look-up? Please!
The 1881 Census shows:
13 New St. Hugh Hughes age 26
19 New St. Thomas Hughes age 54
in between is the uninhabited Engedi Chapel.
I have just received a marriage certificate 1895 showing the bride Laura HUGHES living at 15 New St, and the Groom Richard Lloyd Jones living at 17 New St.
So what was there in 1891?
I would be grateful for any help.
TIA
Dorothy. 2739
I am new to your list and wondered whether anyone can help me.
My grandfather John Henry Parry was born in Bethesda on 22 November 1857.
His mother is described as Catherine Owen, lately Owen, formerly Owen, which
I am told would signify him as illegitimate,
However, living with Catherine in Ogwen Terrace is a man called Thomas Parry
who is registered as the child's father. I do not think this is true and my
grandfather always stated he was related to another Parry family living in
Coetmor Hall. His mother worked for the family as some sort of housekeeper
and I have a very faded picture taken about 1870/71.
Catherine is seated in what is obviously a row of servants, my grandfather
stands behind her .
What would be the chances of
a. Finding a marriage between Catherine Owen and Thomas Parry. I have had
the local registrar looking all over North Wales with no find within the
possible years. The birth is recorded in Llan Ogwen Church as is that of
his sister Hannah in 1851.
Catherine's death is recorded there also as Catherine Parry.
b. Proving a relationship with the Parrys of Coetmor Hall to whom my
grandfather always said he was related. Does anyone know of any surviving
relatives of the Parrys.
Any suggestions or help would be gratefully received as I have been
researching this for twenty years or more with no luck.
Regards
JUDY.
Wonder if anyone could do a lookup for me on a marriage of Thomas Hughes, his
occupation would have been a farm laborer.....to an Ellen Jones....I would
imagine that it would be registered Anglesey. Know that they lived in the
village of Bryngwran for a time. Mid 1800s to perhaps 1881. If someone would
be so kind as to assist me, I would be grateful!
Linda
Hello list,
Thomas ROBERTS 1841 - 1919 and his wife Hannah Maria ROBERTS nee LEWIS moved
from Llansantfraidd ym Mechain MGY to Llanystumdwy with their family in 1881.
Thomas was a Farm Bailiff for the NANNEY family at Plas Gwyn estate,
Llanystumdwy. At 1891 three sons are missing from the census so I have
presumed that they were left behind in Llansantfraidd, but I am having great
difficulty in locating them. Did they perhaps rejoin the family after 1891?
The missing sons are James ROBERTS 1876, Edward ROBERTS 1874, Thomas ROBERTS
1868, all born in Shropshire, all took up farming. Can anyone recognise these
guys? Roll on the 1901 census!
Keith Roberts.
Hi fellow listers,
I am brand new to this list, and am looking for any information about -
RHODRI, born in 1240, the youngest? son of Llywelyn ap Gruffydd, who was known as Llywelyn the last ap Gruffydd. (1225-1282)
Did Rhodri marry Beatrice De Mal Pas of Surrey?
Did he forsake Gwynedd and move to Surrey, changing his name to the English, Roderick Griffith?
Did he own land in Tatsfield, Surrey?
I believe a son named Thomas was born - I don't know where - in 1295.
Does anyone know anything of any of his descendants?
Any information would be most appreciated.
Regards
Alison Griffith - Bribie Island, Australia
ally(a)caboolture.net.au
IThey are both short poems, which lose a lot in translation
Hir oes a nerth lles ni wna,
Ond Duw yn unig yn angau
A long life and strength do no good, in death only God will do
Meyn henaint bon a hunodd, yn angau
Dioddefodd ei ingoedd,
Drwy'r adwy'r enaid hedoedd,
Aeth i byd, sydd wrth ei fodd.
>>
She died at a ripe old age
In death she bore hr sufferance
Through the gates her soul soared
She went to a world which pleases her
Regards
Alwyn
These are the inscriptions on the tombstones of my JOHN HUGHES of Amlwch,
Anglesey (St. Eleth's)
Can anyway translate the Welsh portions for me. I included the English
in case that might help.
C106
Underneath/
Are deposited the remains of/
JOHN HUGHES, Master Mariner who/
Commanded for many years the/
Brig 'Agnes' of this Port. /
He departed/
This life on the 7th day of May 1845/
Aged 87 years./
Hir oes a nerth lles ni wna,
Ond Duw yn unig yn angau
Also/
Are interred here the mortal/
Remains of ELLEN, the beloved wife/
Of the said JOHN HUGHES/
Who died suddenly of Cholera/
On the 13th day of September 1849/
Aged 83 years/
Meyn henaint bon a hunodd, yn angau
Dioddefodd ei ingoedd,
Drwy'r adwy'r enaid hedoedd,
Aeth i byd, sydd wrth ei fodd.
Betty Pace - Norfolk, VA
I saw your posting on the Gwynedd and Anglesey mailing lists regarding
the Prices of Llanbedrgoch. Do you know anything about the JOHN THOMAS
and JANE PRYS whose marriage your Robert Joseph witnessed in 1760?
I have a JOHN THOMAS, Rector, b. 1732, father JOHN THOMAS of Rhosgyll
Fawr, Eifionydd, CAER.
Betty Pace
<you wrote>
...my ancestor Robert Joseph of Plas Bach, died 1765..
On 23 November, 1760, he witnessed the marriage of John Thomas and Jane
Prys. The witnesses of his will were Michael Hughes and Joshua Price.