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Hi Pat,
The Parish Register for Trefriw is in the Caernarfon Archives with a copy in
the National Library of Wales in Aberystwyth. The Llanllechid register is in
the NLW in Aberystwyth with a copy in Caernarfon. Since Saturday is your
only available day then the NLW seems your best bet. Part of both registers
can be found on the IGI.
The index for the 1881 census is available for all the UK, and the Gwynedd
FHS has the index for many parishes for the1851 census, including Trefriw
and Llanllechid.
I wish you all the best with the Welsh side of your family.
Stan.
Gwynedd FHS.
Just posting my interests.
Lloyd from Dolwyddelan
Jones from Dolwyddelan
Cadwalader from Dolwyddelan
Owen from Llanrwst then Trefriw
Roberts from Trefriw (Bryn Pyll, and Storehouse)
Prys (Rhys) from Cwm Dyli, Capel Curig
Roberts from Capel Curig
Roberts from Ysgubor Wen, Capel Curig
Would be pleased to hear from anyone who thinks their research might overlap
these.
Elsbeth Pears
Hi Pat,
The opening times of the Archives Offices are :-
Llangefni
9-1 and 2-5 Monday to Friday.
Caernarfon
9.30 -12.30 and 1.30 - 5 Tues,Thur and Friday.
9.30 -12.30 and 1.30 -7 on Wed.
Closed all day Monday.
I'm afraid I don't know the opening times for Dolgellau.
I hope this information helps.
All the best,
Stan
Gwynedd FHS.
Hi Bonnie,
I've checked the occupations of the men living at the houses named Britannia
(3) and Britannia Bridge (14), and they were :- Shopkeeper (1),
Joiner/Carpenter (5), including your Francis Williams, Railway Labourers
(13), Painters (3), Brass Founder (1), Stonemasons (3), Mariners (2),
Engineers Clerk (1), Blacksmiths (2), Shipwrights (4), Miner (1),
Boilermakers (2), and Railway Policeman (1). I think it is fairly obvious
why they were living close to the Britannia Bridge at around the time of
constuction even though I have no actual proof. On the banks of the Menai
Straits there were three and a half acres of huts, offices and living
quarters. Were Britannia and Britannia Bridge part of these living quarters
and did Francis Williams, joiner, play his part in constucting them ? I'm
sure there were many more houses but since they didn't include the name
Britannia it is difficult to identify them. We know when Francis arrived on
the banks of the Menai because on the 1851 census his son Samuel (5 years
old ) was born in Flintshire.
The Britannia Bridge was built by Robert Stephenson son of the famous George
Stephenson, the engineer who developed steam locomotives notably the Rocket.
His locomotives brought dramatic changes to the western world in a single
generation. American and Canadadian wealth was opened up to trade and
settlements. As a Canadian you may owe more debt to the Stephenson family
than you thought.
I hope this information is of some use.
All the best,
Stan.
Gwynedd FHS.
Hi Stan,
No, it never occured to me to wonder why they lived in a house called
Britannia. Was it because it was in the area of the bridge, or better
yet, was it because it was a house provided by the company building the
bridge for their workers??? Do you know?
> There were 3 houses called Britannia and 14 with the name Britannia Bridge,
> all on the Caernarfonshire side of the Menai Straits. The Britannia Bridge
> was one of the two bridges that cross from Anglesey to Caernarfonshire.
The above is information from you, Stan, and I did wonder why there were
so many called Britannia Bridge, it seems it tells us the location of
the 14 houses mentioned for sure, but the 3 called Britannia?
Many thanks for your help.
Bonnie Henderson nee Williams
Alberta, Canada
Hi Bonnie,
Have you ever thought why your family were in a house named Britannia on the
Caernarfonshire side of the Menai Straits in 1851.You know from the birth of
the two youngest children that they were on the Anglesey side in the late
1840's. I can tell you that the Britannia Bridge was built between 1846 and
1850. Food for thought ?
All the best,
Stan.
Gwynedd FHS.
Thanks for your input and suggestion, Ian. I have to take a day and
gather my wits here to figure out my next step.
I did join the Gwynned FHS and will also contact them to see what they
can suggest or offer.
The idea of Dafydd Hayes Marriage Index is good also. I'll definitely
try that.
Bonnie Henderson nee Williams
Alberta, Canada
Ian Thompson wrote:
>
> Regarding the question of the difficulties in identifying parents
> pre-census, in addition to the IGI and Marriage Bond indexes, a further
> resource which covers with greater certainty more original marriage records
> is the Hayes index held by a member of the Clwyd FHS.
> I have used this resource a number of times for a small fee; it has been
> especially useful where the surname in question is unusual. Otherwise full
> names of both parties are required and even then lots of options may be
> thrown open.
> It may not be the case that your ancestors came from the place in which they
> are found in 1841/51. Also, marriages were often held in the bride's parish
> which could be a way off especially if the groom lived or worked in a market
> town like Bangor or travelled around the place.
> For (I think) 10 pounds, Dafydd Hayes could give you a list of all the John
> Williams in Anglesey and Caernarfonshire between specified dates. You could
> then go through them all.
> May be useful to you or someone else??
> Ian
> Brighton
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Regarding the question of the difficulties in identifying parents
pre-census, in addition to the IGI and Marriage Bond indexes, a further
resource which covers with greater certainty more original marriage records
is the Hayes index held by a member of the Clwyd FHS.
I have used this resource a number of times for a small fee; it has been
especially useful where the surname in question is unusual. Otherwise full
names of both parties are required and even then lots of options may be
thrown open.
It may not be the case that your ancestors came from the place in which they
are found in 1841/51. Also, marriages were often held in the bride's parish
which could be a way off especially if the groom lived or worked in a market
town like Bangor or travelled around the place.
For (I think) 10 pounds, Dafydd Hayes could give you a list of all the John
Williams in Anglesey and Caernarfonshire between specified dates. You could
then go through them all.
May be useful to you or someone else??
Ian
Brighton
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After receiving an email from probably every single person on every single
mailing list that I belong to, telling me to keep the site going - and after
receiving permission from the person who scolded me in the first place....my
site will be back in operation later this week. I've already added a few new
links and will be adding a few more as well as the original index and so
forth.
I really hope that this whole fiasco has opened a lot of eyes and maybe even
taught a lesson or two or three - I can honestly say that I have learned A
LOT.
Thanks to all for their support - and I hope the little info on my website
will help someone someday in someway.
Chad E. Goodrich
Neenah, WI
YEE HAW !!!
Hello Stan and listers,
I am searching for the father & siblings of Francis WILLIAMS b. 1818
Bangor. (Married 1842 in Liverpool to Elizabeth POWELL b. St Asaph,
Flint.)
On his marriage certificate it says his father was John WILLIAMS,
farmer.
In the IGI online there are 2 John WILLIAMS in Bangor married to a
Margaret in the time period that I am looking at. If I confine myself
to those two - it looks like Francis's parents would be John WILLIAMS
and Margaret DAVIES. However if I search for the children of John
WILLIAMS and Margaret, there are some christened before the marriage
date of this couple. So there must be at least another John WILLIAMS and
Margaret in that parish married before the years that are covered in the
IGI online.
I went to the Marriage Bond index at the National Library
of Wales web site, and matched up the Williams marriages found on the
IGI above to the following Marriage Bonds:
Williams, John, bach., mariner, Penmynydd, AGY, 1816, Mar. 25. At
Bangor, CAE. Margaret Davies. A,B. 49/40
Williams, John, wid., Bangor, CAE, 1826, Jan 3. At Bangor. Margaret
Williams
A.56/231
AND another one -
Williams, John, wid., Bangor, CAE. 1834, Feb 3. At Bangor. Sarah
Williams.
A. 63/69.
I dread to wonder if this is the same man each of the three times who
may possibly have survived 2 wives, to marry a third time. Speculation
only!
Any suggestions (or connections!!??) as to where I must go now. I'm
thinking the original Parish records.
Also should I be concerned that the above mentioned John WILLIAMS is
listed as a mariner here in the marriage bonds?
Sorry this is so long . . .
Bonnie Henderson nee Williams
Alberta, Canada
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Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 9:59 AM
Subject: Ann Davies/Parry
> Can someone check the 1851 census for Llandanwg please.
> I am looking for Ann Davies age about 18/19. If she is there under her
married name it would be Ann Parry with husband William Parry.
> In the 1881 census she is widowed living at Porkington Place, Llandandwg.
William was a seaman from Nefyn I believe..
> Any help would be much appreciated.
> regards
> Geraint from a sunny South Wales
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Can someone check the 1851 census for Llandanwg please.
I am looking for Ann Davies age about 18/19. If she is there under her married name it would be Ann Parry with husband William Parry.
In the 1881 census she is widowed living at Porkington Place, Llandandwg. William was a seaman from Nefyn I believe..
Any help would be much appreciated.
regards
Geraint from a sunny South Wales
Fellow genealogists,
I hereby, regretfully, am send a retraction of my last email. It seems there
is someone on a mailing list, someone who calls themselves a genealogist,
doesn't feel the same way as the majority of us do, and doesn't feel that
SHARING data and information is appropriate. As a genealogist myself, I
FREELY wanted everyone on the numerous mailing lists I am a member of, to
view the data that I have collected, come across, etc., because I want the
world of genealogy to be an open forum and I hope to give someone a break
like I have been given so many times by so many people. Where would ANY of
us be in our research if every one of us sat here and said, "...this is MY
research, you cannot use it..."
I have done some research on copywrite laws, and have found that what is
posted on an Internet webpage is considered protected even though a copywrite
has not actually been filed for. In all honesty and fairness, I have copied
information off a websites, but at the same admittance, I refuse to believe
that there is a person out there that has not done it as well, including the
person calling me a "thief."
Therefore, I am removing all information from my website, as a matter of fact
- I will be deleting my website simply due to the fact that if I cannot share
the information that I have, then what is the purpose of having a webpage.
I apologize deeply to all those I have offended in any way shape or form,
that was not my intent. I merely wanted to share what I have and hoped to
help further the world of genealogy.
Thank you for your time and patience - I now take my soapbox and leave -
Sincerely,
Chad E. Goodrich
Neenah, WI
Thanks for the good information, Stan.
I was feeling rather hopeless having to look for a 'John Williams',
there's quite a few of them so I wasn't sure how I was going to start. I
had found the son's, Francis Williams, family in Bangor in 1851.
I'll have to get the parish records for Bangor and try to sort it out.
There are at least 2 John Williams = Margaret marriages (maybe more) in
the same time frame in Bangor, and several children born to different
John and Margaret Williams families. I believe one is a Margaret Davies
married to a John Williams and that one may be mine. The name of
'Francis' has helped make things easier. As a matter of fact, that name
has carried down through the generations in my direct line of Williams
ancestors, right up until today. Intriguing isn't it!
I have several questions that I wouldn't mind asking on the
WLS-Gwynned-L so will forward this to that list also and continue from
there.
Thanks again.
Bonnie Henderson nee Williams
Alberta, Canada
Stanley Wrigley wrote:
>
> Hi Bonnie
>
> I have found a baptism for Francis on February 10th 1819 in Bangor, the son
> of John Williams and Margaret.
>
> The family were living in Bangor in 1851:-
>
> Britannia
> Francis Williams Head Mar 32 Joiner Born Caernarfonshire
> Elizabeth Williams Wife Mar 32 Born Flintshire
> John Williams Son 9 Scholar Born Flintshire
> Elizabeth Williams Daur 7 Scholar Born Flintshire
> Samuel Williams Son 5 Born Flintshire
> Walter Williams Son 3 Born Anglesey
> Margaret Williams Daur 1 Born Anglesey
> Margaret Powell Visitor 24 Born
> Lancs/Liverpool
>
> There were 3 houses called Britannia and 14 with the name Britannia Bridge,
> all on the Caernarfonshire side of the Menai Straits. The Britannia Bridge
> was one of the two bridges that cross from Anglesey to Caernarfonshire. I
> can see both bridges as I write this e-mail. The town of Menai Bridge is on
> the Anglesey side.
>
> There was only one family living in Bangor in 1851 with a John Williams
> Farmer ) and wife Margaret :-
>
> Maes y Gerchan
> John Williams Head Mar 60 Farmer Born Bangor
> Margaret Williams Wife Mar 60 Born Bangor
> Anne Williams Daur Un 28 Born Bangor
> Mary Williams Daur Un 21 Born Bangor
> Ellin Williams Daur Un 24 Born Bangor
> Owen Jones Serv Un 19 Born Bangor
>
> All the best,
> Stan
> Gwynedd FHS.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bonnie Henderson <abhenderson(a)home.com>
> To: <CLWYD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 3:19 PM
> Subject: [CLWYD] Williams / Powell
>
Dear Yvonne,
Sorry to trouble you, but I subscribed to the Gwynedd list some days ago and
have received no mail as yet,!!! have I missed something.
best Regards
Margaret Harris
Chad,
I am researching Lloyd from close to your area, viz Penmachno where I
have a strong line back to 1600ish based on two houses Dulasau &
Hafodwryd. There are also different Lloyd families within the tree some
of whom come from the Lleyn Peninsula and other local areas (but no
Betws y Coed itself).
There are also many other Lloyd lines all over the area, and in my
limited experience it is the houses that have provided many of the best
keys.
I am happy to help, but we may need to refine Lloyd a bit to get much
further!
Best regards
david lloyd-williams
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>Researching LLOYD from Betws-y-Coed, Caernarvonshire
>
>Chad E. Goodrich
>Neenah, WI
>
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