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Can anyone tell me if it is possible to obtain a listing of the names of
people buried at St. Giles' Churchyard in Wrexham? I am trying to find the
burial place of Anne Lloyd Eaton who died March 1658. Two of her children and
many grandchildren are buried there. Many Thanks
Mary C. Barbee
Hi Jane,
I think you will find it is ABENBURY, which is just on the SE edge of
Wrexham. Abenbury Road runs from Kings Mills to Cefn Road, near to Llwyn
Onn Hall. There is a small industrial estate there, or at least there used
to be, and once was an Abenbury Brickworks.
Regards,
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jane Poole <jpoole(a)anim.dreamworks.com>
To: <WLS-DENBIGHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:55 AM
Subject: [DEN] Abumbury??
> Hello List
>
> Has anyone heard of the place "Abumbury" in Denbighshire? I can't find
> it anywhere so it's probably a transcription error. I've no idea what it
> could be a misprint of. I got it from the 1881 Census cd.rom.
> Any suggestions would be welcome.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jane
>
>
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>
Dear Listers,
I am new to the list and would like to post my interests:
Charles RALPH b.Abt 1761 Wrexham
d. Abt 1831 Kingston Jamaica marr 1795 Port-Au-Prince St Domingo to--
Ann Magee.
They lived in Ireland--(Wexford, Kinsale.) Also Gibralter and London as well
as Jamaica.
Enlisted in 13th Regiment 1st Somersetshire Regiment of Foot 1786.
With a brick wall over 7ft tall, any information would be most welcome.
Regards,
Ducie Hood
Tweed Heads Northern NSW Australia.
Have you tried the National Library of Wales for the records , or try Ruthin
record office.
Pam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Helena Searson" <hsearson(a)nasuwt.net>
To: <WLS-DENBIGHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:10 PM
Subject: [DEN] Lord Clwyd
> Does anyone know where the records of Lord Clwyd's estate are kept? Or
does anyone have any photos? My g.father was his chauffer but sadly that is
all I know about his work. Any help is appreciated or please point me in the
right direction
> Many thanks
> Helena
>
>
> ==== WLS-DENBIGHSHIRE Mailing List ====
> The official Web pages for the National Library of Wales are at :
> http://www.llgc.org.uk/
>
>
Hello List
Has anyone heard of the place "Abumbury" in Denbighshire? I can't find
it anywhere so it's probably a transcription error. I've no idea what it
could be a misprint of. I got it from the 1881 Census cd.rom.
Any suggestions would be welcome.
Thanks
Jane
Dear listers all,
Thank you for your various replies from which I detect that others
similar and different perceptions.
Having read what others think, perhaps I should reply to these from my
own point of view.
I have been on these lists for about eighteen months originally with
Powys & Clwyd which covered my main areas of interest along with others
of a more peripheral nature. I must say that I have found the
interaction very useful and interesting and my intention in raising this
matter was intended to be constructive.
The real issue I think is critical mass which Clwyd has but the others
do not yet.
What we need is the best balance to secure critical mass - it seems to
me that having Denbigh, Flint and Caernarvonshire as individual lists
may not achieve this easily and that to have Gwynedd, Clwyd & Powys
would probably be the best mix. When the new lists appeared I joined
some of them hoping for more focus but this now seems not so likely and
one misses some of the broader picture.
Of course there would be overlaps but this is not too difficult to deal
with - in my case Powys is of less direct interest, but it is good to
know it is there on occasions and one can subscribe for a while as
required.
My question then to those who know is who decides what lists are put up,
and how do we get feedback to them to try and ensure that we have good
healthy and active lists at the right level.
I do not agree with an all Wales list - though I am used to getting
large quantities of e-mails I found that the traffic on the old Powys &
Clwyd was quite heavy and sometimes got in the way of other mail. An
Wales list would be unsustainable and for me the Powys / Gwynedd / Clwyd
level is probably the best compromise. The point that is made about
population is not directly the answer - as I have discovered there is a
huge interest in family history in North Wales itself and among people
who had / have family ties there from all over the world.
In the course of this and through the list i have secured a copy of
Griffiths Pedigrees of Anglesey and Caernarvonshire Families. Although
this cannot be taken as 100% accurate it indicates a level of
interaction and interest out of all proportion to the population - I
discovered within it much valuable information around my family and even
that one of my neighbours in Berkshire comes from a family in
Flintshire!
In the meantime I will continue with my current subscriptions and do
what I can to help and be helped. I would also like to record my thanks
to those who have helped me over the last eighteen months - they have
enabled me to get much further that I thought possible when I started.
I am also beginning to realise that quite a lot of information i got
when i started was much more relevant than I realised then.
Best regards
david lloyd-williams
Original message
Is it just my perception or have the new WLS- lists got off to a very
slow start. I am currently subscribed (I think) to DEN, CAER, & GWYNEDD
as well as Clwyd which is not a WLS - list.
I get a lot from Clwyd but very few from the others. Perhaps it just
needs some inputs which generate the sort of discussion which seems to
thrive on Clwyd.
I would appreciate views from others.
As part of this I am reposting my interests which cross all four lists:
Anwyl, Lloyd, Williams - Penmachno (1550 - 1850)
Willams of Ystumcolwyn (1700-1750)
The family and descendants of Robert Howell Vaughan 1724-1792 b. Nannau
Lloyd Williams - Denbigh (1820-1940)
Gold Edwards - Denbigh (1800-1900)
Swayne - Denbigh (1880 -1965)
Heatons - Henllan (Plas Heaton)
The family and descendants of Richard Lloyd b around 1590 (vicar of
Gresford, then rector of Marchwiel and later vicar of Ruabon.
The family and descendants of Sir Richard Lloyd (1606-1676) of Esless
Hall nr Wrexham
In addition I am in need of some advice as to how / where to identify a
marriage c.1759 between Elisabeth Lloyd b. 1729? and Lewis Williams
probably in her parish of Penmachno. There does not seem to be a record
of this in the church records, though I have found three of their
children's baptism recorded.
I have quite a lot of information about these interests which I have
built up over the least year with the help of the lists, and maybe I can
help others with overlapping interests?
Best regards
david
--
David Lloyd-Williams
Hi,
I'm in the process of trying to figure out how to do research in Wales from the US (fees, International Coupons), but this is what I know regarding this line in my husband's family. I'm including only the Wales ties. Future generations worked in coal mining and steel in the US. I'd love to hear from anyone doing research on this family so we can stay in touch as I go.
1. Edward WILLIAMS m. Mary CLARK Bef. 1849, possibly around Rhosnesni, Wrexham, Wales; d. probably in Wales. Children:
a. William X. WILLIAMS b. Nov 24, 1848 (possibly Dec 1848) in Wales; d. Feb 8, 1919 in USA.
b. Possibly Jonathan Williams b. Abt. 1838 in Wales d. in U.S.
c. Possibly Samuel Williams b. Abt. 1854 in Wales d. in U.S.
d. Possibly Albert.
(later generations from the U.S. visited a Ray Clark in Rhosnesni)
*******************************************************************
1. Thomas EVANS m. Hannah HUGHES Bef. 1852. in North Wales; d. probably in NorthWales. Children:
a. Jane EVANS b. Bet. Sept 20, 1849 and Sept 20, 1852 in North Wales. Came to the US.
b. Possibly Albert.
Hannah Hughes might have a sister or mother named Mary from Penycae.
Thanks,Laura
Dear Allen,
I would certainly be easier for people not living in England and Wales
[myself]. My husband has relatives that came from Llanrwst, Rhyl, Moystn,
Ysceifiog, Whitford and Anglesey. I all depends on what year they were born,
what county they were in. I have a hard time figuring out where to
look.Fortunately the CLWD list is very helpful and I have just joined
Denbigshire and Flinshire hoping to find the information I need. Good luck.
Doris Roberts-Florida
Allen Powell wrote (to WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com)
<< I am subscribed to the Glamorgan List. Today there have been 60+ emails.
There are close to 800 subscribers.If this is taken as a reflection of the
population of Glamorgan then surely it is a nonsense to have separate lists
for Anglesey, Caernarfon and Meirionydd with much smaller populations.
A short study of the 1881 census quickly shows up a great deal of population
movement between the 3 old counties, so what is wrong with a Gwynedd List ?
Allen
>>
There is, of course a Gwynedd list AS WELL as the ones for the three separate
counties WLS-Gwynedd@ rootsweb.com.
My own feeling would be to scrap all the county & regional lists and have one
national list for Wales. I am a member of most of the Welsh lists, I often
get the same posting ten times, because it has been sent to so many.
There is a lot of confusion about cross boundary issues — about 5% of all
queries during the last week fall into this category — (I've seen postings on
Clwyd about Trawsfynnydd, on Powys about Fflint and about Aberaeron on
Glamorgan and even I made the mistake of asking Glamorgan about Newport in
Monmouthshire).
50% of the postings on the busier lists are about general interest matters
pertaining to Wales rather than county specific - attitudes towards drinking
— what's the Welsh word for? - Whinberrys - Welshcakes - nonconformist
burials — ap & vch — is this a common name in Wales? — what is the URL for
the National Library? — when can I see the 1901 Census? - Can I visit rural
grave yards during the foot & mouth crisis? - Has anybody got a John Jones
from Wales in their family?!!! Things which would be as relevant to the
family historian in Holyhead as they are to the one in St. Melons
5% are things that are misplaced o genealogical lists and another 5% are of
the "testing" "thanks Jo" "thanks Jane" variety.
Of the 35 % remaining, they are as likely to be answered by people such as
Allen , John Gareth or my self who "pop up" everywhere as they are by the few
"one listers"
I wonder how many people there are in Gwynedd or Clwyd who have not got a
family member who "went south" to the coalfields. Is there anybody in the
South who has not got a "Gog" skeleton in the cupboard, and is there anybody
in the World with Welsh ancestry who could not do with SKS who lives near
Aberystwyth to do a lookup in the NLW?
The A470 is enough of an obstacle to unity in our very small country, do we
really need a divided rootsweb as well?
Dear Listers
Just discovered the Denbighshire List and was wondering if anyone out there
is also researching any of the following
Richard Williams Shoemaker Henllan St (11881 census)b 1842 - Denbigh (Town
of)
Harri Jones G.grandfather of Sir Henry Jones Llangernyw
William Williams (died abt 1862) and Mary Jones Grandparents of Sir Henry
Jones
Williams - Llangernyw (LDS 1881 Spelling Llangerniew) and later Denbigh
Gladys or Gwladys (neé Williams) born Denbigh early last century. Daughter
of Owen Williams (born Llangernyw 1871 and in 1881 living in Denbigh. He
served in the Cheshire Regiment for 12 years, including India.) After the
separation of her parents, for whatever reason, Gladys emigrated to USA with
her mother. Visited Denbigh in the 1960's. Last known place Idaho but no
idea of her married surname. Her father Owen left Denbigh (date unknown) and
spent the rest of his life in Huddersfield where he died about 1946.
Hopefully
Howell Owen Williams
Does anyone know where the records of Lord Clwyd's estate are kept? Or does anyone have any photos? My g.father was his chauffer but sadly that is all I know about his work. Any help is appreciated or please point me in the right direction
Many thanks
Helena
I am a new subscriber and I am trying to find the parents of George
Duckers born in Wrexham in 1836 and Emma Moody born 1838 on the 1881
census they were married and living in Liverpool any help would be
greatly appreciated. Has anyone got an entry on 1851 census for George
Duckers age 15 and family and Emma Moody age 13 and family. Has anyone
seen a mar reference for them for around
1860
Many thanks
Jane Campbell
Is it just my perception or have the new WLS- lists got off to a very
slow start. I am currently subscribed (I think) to DEN, CAER, & GWYNEDD
as well as Clwyd which is not a WLS - list.
I get a lot from Clwyd but very few from the others. Perhaps it just
needs some inputs which generate the sort of discussion which seems to
thrive on Clwyd.
I would appreciate views from others.
As part of this I am reposting my interests which cross all four lists:
Anwyl, Lloyd, Williams - Penmachno (1550 - 1850)
Willams of Ystumcolwyn (1700-1750)
The family and descendants of Robert Howell Vaughan 1724-1792 b. Nannau
Lloyd Williams - Denbigh (1820-1940)
Gold Edwards - Denbigh (1800-1900)
Swayne - Denbigh (1880 -1965)
Heatons - Henllan (Plas Heaton)
The family and descendants of Richard Lloyd b around 1590 (vicar of
Gresford, then rector of Marchwiel and later vicar of Ruabon.
The family and descendants of Sir Richard Lloyd (1606-1676) of Esless
Hall nr Wrexham
In addition I am in need of some advice as to how / where to identify a
marriage c.1759 between Elisabeth Lloyd b. 1729? and Lewis Williams
probably in her parish of Penmachno. There does not seem to be a record
of this in the church records, though I have found three of their
children's baptism recorded.
I have quite a lot of information about these interests which I have
built up over the least year with the help of the lists, and maybe I can
help others with overlapping interests?
Best regards
david
--
David Lloyd-Williams
As I haven't mentioned them for ages!
Anybody on this list have an interest in the JONES Family of Nebo, Capel
Garmon, Llanrwst?
William David Jones 1919-1987
John& Margaret Ellen Jones
William Griffith (1861-1916) & Hannah (1865-1954) Jones
William (1813-1885) and Margaret (1815-1909) Jones
Robert (1777-1837) and Ellen (1776-1837) Jones
William Jones (fl1750-80)
Of Creigiau Farm Nebo (Capel Garmon), or Bryn Capel, Nant y Rhiw.
Any information gratefully received.
All the best
Alwyn