I meant to send this to the entire list in case someone else is
interested -- my reply to Ed Porter, below.
Regards,
Julie Preston
juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Preston" <juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: "Ed Porter" <edtporter(a)earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WLS-CGN] Finding land records
Ed,
Great to see you joining the lists! You should order the 1798 Land Tax
Assessments for Cardiganshire from the LDS on microfilm -- they're
arranged
by townships and name the property, owner and occupier as well as the
tax
paid. This *should* tell you who was there but will not explain how your
Richard Oliver came by the property.
Another angle (in addition to viewing the LTA's) is to use the online NLW
website -- ISYS:web database and input Pantgwyn for the search criteria
(be
creative and use the "sounds like" option, as well, to be
sure to pick up
every possibility) -- you may wish to add the qualifier Gwnnws to narrow
it
down. I suspect you'll find it was part of the Hafod estate and
there may
be many mentions of mortgages, leaseholds, copyholds, conveyances, etc.
It's a bit confusing to grasp but you should be able to form some kind of
a
picture.
Regards,
Julie Preston
juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Porter" <edtporter(a)earthlink.net>
To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:49 PM
Subject: [WLS-CGN] Finding land records
> Hello List,
>
> How does one go about finding land ownership in Wales? I ask because I
have
> been told that such records are private and cannot be acquired by just
> anyone, and find that hard to believe as it would be a simple matter of
> public record here in the U.S.
>
> The property in question is near Ffair Rhos and the Esgair-Mwyn lead
mine
in
> Upper Gwnnws, Cardiganshire known as "Pantgwyn."
>
> I am anxious to learn the name of his Richard Oliver's father. We do
not
> know if Richard inherited the property or if he bought it. If
we only
knew
> who owned the land before he came into ownership, it would help the
process
> along. I have checked the freeholder's lists and tithe schedules and
some
> ownerships after 1870, but haven't a clue as to how to
proceed, even if
it
> is possible.
>
> Welsh practices of patronymics may have added to the confusion. Having
been
> born in 1771-1778, his father could have been a Richards or an Oliver.
>
> My ggggrandfather Richard Oliver and his family were living in Pantgwyn
as
> early as 1812. He was listed in the 1841 census of the UK
living wih
his
> three youngest sons and their families.
>
> In 1851 Richard Oliver, shown as owner, was still living at Pantgwyn
with
> the family if Rees Edwards.
>
> By 1861 Richard Oliver had died and the property was occupied by one
John
> Steadman.
>
> By 1881 the holder was the widow of James Williams.
>
> In 1891 it was occupied by a William Lloyd.
>
> The current owner's name is either William Williams or William Jones of
> Llwynmwyn. When I was there I heard him called Williams.
>
> This gentleman who is the current owner told me that he has the Deed and
> knows who owned the land for many generations, but he wouldn't show me
the
> names. I'm afraid he didn't trust my motives.
>
> Ed Porter
>
>
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