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It's been over a year since I last did a volunteers' address check on the
South/West Lookup Exchange, so not surprising to find a dozen or so are now
bouncing.
It would be very helpful to me if everyone looked at the list below and told
me via the
list whether you have a new address (if you appear personally) or whether
you know of someone else's new address (who may not be onlist any longer).
Also, does anyone know how to contact Malcolm Bebb, admin of the Powys list,
his address bebb(a)embetech.demon.co.uk bounces too.
Thanks.
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dal(a)ntlworld.com >David Lewis
pmsjones(a)btinternet.com >Peter Jones
tyhafren(a)btinternet.com >Wyndham Marsh
danielv(a)ses.vic.gov.au >Daniel Verkys
daz6517(a)aol.com >Darren Hughes
prydain(a)beeb.net >Barry Britzman
onna(a)granbury.com >Lonna Poland
hancorn(a)bigfoot.com >Ian Meredith
lindasfamily(a)lineone.net >Linda Smith
brodirion(a)tinyworld.co.uk >Clive
gen_kev.perkins(a)ntlworld.com >Kevin Perkins
fmh9(a)highbridge.demon.co.uk >Fred Herbert
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Gareth
List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM
Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/
Lookup Exchange http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html
Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html
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Dewis,
The Penybont factory was listed in the Tithe Commutation Survey of 1839 field
number 713.
The factory was situated besdie the River Teify in a field named factory
field, some way from the main house of Pen-y-bont. The lower fields of Trebrysg
lie opposite the factory.
The building was demolished sometime ago, possibly in the 1950's. When the
river floods it is possible to see where the building stood and the outline of
the leat.
>From the censuses 1861 and later it appears to have been used as
accommodation for farmworkers, retired farmers etc.
Shirley Martin
shirley22martin(a)aol.com
Forwarded for Kim
Gareth
List administrator for DYFED, CGN & PEM
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kim Bewick" <kimbewick(a)btinternet.com>
> Hi Everyone
> I am in the process of writing a book on the history of Llandaff Cathedral
> School, Cardiff and would like to hear from any former pupils and members
of
> staff etc who would be happy to share their memories and photographs for
> this publication.
> Kind Regards
> Kim Bewick
> http://chrisb.4ce.co.uk/schools_site UK Schools History Website
>
>
Thanks Julie,
looks like the LDS it is then.
Dewi
"Julie Preston" <juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net> schrieb am 18.03.04 16:21:43:
>
>
> Dewi,
>
> The Dyfed Marriages Index 1813-37 shows a marriage in Llanilar in 1813 for a
> Thomas JONES and also one for a Hannah THOMAS. The original PR or Bishop's
> Transcripts (filmed by the LDS) should be consulted as this is only an index
> and doesn't 'match' the groom to the bride nor provide the details such as
> date, witnesses, etc.
>
> On my OS Pathfinder #968, I found a Pen-y-bont (probably same place) just
> below the southern end of the Tregaron Bog (Cors Caron), just to the east of
> the A485 and near the Afon Teifi. "Factory" is a bit misleading as this
> usually meant the family home doubled as a woollen factory and was almost
> always located near a stream or river.
>
> Regards,
>
> Julie Preston
> juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dewi Evans" <dewi.evans(a)web.de>
> To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:52 AM
> Subject: [WLS-CGN] Caron: Thomas Jones/Hannah Thomas
>
>
> > Can anyone help me with the parents of Thomas Jones, christened 22 Sep
> 1822 Calvinist Methodist Chapel - Bwlchygwynt, Caron, CGN . He was the son
> of Thomas and Hannah Jones(her maiden name was Thomas).
> >
> > Thomas sr was a carder, resident: Penbont Factory, Caron
> > Mother's parish before marriage: (possibly) Llanfihangel y Creuddyn
> > (Text is not very legible. "Llanfihangel cre.." can be made out - so I
> presume that is the above parish.)
> >
> > Could somebody possibly check Llanfihangel y Creuddyn for the marriage of
> Thomas and Hannah?
> >
> > Can anyone tell me where the Penbont factory was located?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
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Can anyone help me with the parents of Thomas Jones, christened 22 Sep 1822 Calvinist Methodist Chapel - Bwlchygwynt, Caron, CGN . He was the son of Thomas and Hannah Jones(her maiden name was Thomas).
Thomas sr was a carder, resident: Penbont Factory, Caron
Mother's parish before marriage: (possibly) Llanfihangel y Creuddyn
(Text is not very legible. "Llanfihangel cre.." can be made out - so I presume that is the above parish.)
Could somebody possibly check Llanfihangel y Creuddyn for the marriage of Thomas and Hannah?
Can anyone tell me where the Penbont factory was located?
Thanks in advance
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Hi everyone,
I am trying to find out more about my Father's Grandfather, David Morgan. According to the 1881 Census he was 18 and an Apprentice Draper working and living in the same household as Evan Morgan (37) in Aberystwith at 66 North Parade. The Census states that he was born in Cardigan. Between 1881 and 1901 He moved to London and is an Assistant Draper in the 1901 Census. Obviously Morgan is a fairly common name in the area and I have not been able to find his later marriage to Mary Ann Day in the London area (or in any area back to the early 1890's) to confirm his fathers name. Are there any records for Apprentices or Drapers in the Aberystwith area? Or possibly David Morgan could have still been in the area during the 1891 census if anyone would be kind enough to check for me? Evan Morgan had moved to Leamington by the time of the 1901 Census, so had probably sold his shop which could have prompted my ggfather to move to London.
Dave
Aloha (Greetings) from Hawaii,
Julie, I did it.
I have reason to believe that my ancestor William Thomas (born DEC 1785) is from Llandysul and came to America in 1816. He married Eleanor Davis in 1813, the daughter of Timothy Davis (possibly Rev.)? The IGI and BT's shows individuals with similar names and having married 20 JAN 1814 Saint David, Llandyssul. It shows that she was from the Parish of Cellan (Kellan).
William had a cousin named Evan Thomas in Horeb (Independent Church ?).
Does anyone recognize these names or can do a lookup of church membership/land tax records for Horeb/Llandysul?
Appreciate the kokua (help), mahalo (thanks).
Sincerely,
Mark Thomas
Dear Listers,
As said in my previous email, the translated article on Swyddffynnon Baptist Chapel is available to anyone who requests it.
There are other sources of information about the Baptists in Wales – mainly in Welsh. I believe there was a publication called Seren Gomer in the later 1800s. I gave a pile of them to our local Archives a few years ago. I am not sure whether Seren Cymru grew out of that one. Also I have a few copies of the handbooks issued at the yearly meetings. (1947, 1951, 1958, 1964) I expect they may have all of these at the NLW. I will find out next time I go there. Another publication is the transactions of the History Society of the Welsh Baptists. I only have 2 of these, 1968 and 1969. eg one article in 1969 is titled “Gleanings from Cynwyl Caeo 1929 – 69”. In the 1968 one there is an article about the *Tercentenary of Rhydwilym”. There are 3 articles plus some book reviews in each. Again, I don’t know if this is still published or if the NLW has copies.
I have information about Bethania, Cwmbach; Seion, Cwmaman; Calfaria, Aberdare for those of you, who, like me have ancestors who “emigrated” from Cardiganshire to Glamorgan!
Delyth in Anglesey
Dear List,
I have translated the article about Swyddffynnon Baptist Chapel - anyone who is interested let me know and I will send it as a pdf file.
Delyth in Anglesey
In a message dated 3/12/04 3:01:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request(a)rootsweb.com writes:
I noted the comment re the Felix family of Cardiganshire. I have a few
things on that family, although I am not, as far as I know, related. Also, there
was a Felix family who emigrated to Wales, Waukesha County, WI. They are
buried in Jerusalem Cemetery in Wales. I saw the grave in 1997. Annie
> To Ed Porter:
> Ed, did you receive my massive collection of data on my Felix-es? I see that
> you've asked a question on the list about Tynypompren.I sent a similar
> message to Delyth yesterday but as yet have not received a reply.
> Thanks,
> Laura DAVIES.
>
To Ed Porter:
Ed, did you receive my massive collection of data on my Felix-es? I see that you've asked a question on the list about Tynypompren.I sent a similar message to Delyth yesterday but as yet have not received a reply.
Thanks,
Laura DAVIES.
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Delyth,
Do you have any clues as to the finite location of a house (or farm) in
Lledrod Parish, Cards. known as "Tynypompren?" I think it must be near
Swyddffynnon. What is the difference in meaning between Tynypontbren and
Tynypompren? There is also a Penypontbren.
Ed Porter
Hi:
this related to Ann Driscoll's research into Baptists in the area around
Llanddewi Brefi/Betws Bledwrs, etc.
Back in 1996, I transcribed a LDS film #394393 on William Griffith Pedigree
by Thomas Allen Glenn, Tregaron, CGN, South Wales, 5 May 1905. (Thomas Allen
Glenn wrote a number of books on the Welsh in Pennsylvania.)
I only transcribed the information on Llanddewi Brefi. Tonight I sent this
information to my cousin in England and while transcribing it for her I ran
across the following paragraph which totally surprised me:
"Llanddewi Brefi was noted for nonconformity. The Quakers and the Baptists
were very plentiful there. George Eyre Evans in his Cardiganshire and its
Antiquities 1903, devoted a chapter on Llanddewi Brefi, Home of the Friends.
There was a large immigration from Llanddewi Brefi to Pennsylvania."
The time frame seems to be the early 18th century. I knew there were Quakers
but I had no idea that there were that many Baptists.
So I learned something.
Annie
I lived in Tregaron for a short time when I was a child (1948 - 51) and when transport was available (when the Baptist minister came to live in Tregaron) we attended the Baptist chapel in Swyddffynnon. There was a bigger chapel in Pontrhydfendigaid and they built the minister a manse there after a few years. When we couldn't get to the Baptist chapel we went to Bwlchgwynt to the Methodists!
I have some information buried in my "files" about Swyddffynnon chapel. I will look iit up if anyone is interested.
Delyth in Anglesey
Hi List Members,
Have just subscribed and was wondering if any Kind Soul has access to the 1851 census or Directories for Aberystwyth. I am looking for John WILLIAMS as the head of the household with a son William would be aged about 17yrs. The address where I think they would be living at this time is 11 Bridge Street, Aberystwyth and John may be a Miller. Would like to know other occupants at this address.
TIA
Christine
In a message dated 3/7/04 11:01:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-D-request(a)rootsweb.com writes:
Hi: I noted Julie's comment to you. Julie is right in that the record may
not been deposited and also, it may not exist. Local control of those
registers was not good. It was said that when the M4 Motorway went thru South Wales
many chapels were torn down - their records were just thrown away. Nobody
cared, it seemed. However, Tregaron, Betws Bledwrs area are not really Baptist
areas. There are Baptists there and there is a Baptist chapel in Lampeter but
in the early days, there weren't that many Baptists there. I was surprsied to
find that there was a Baptist Church in or near Pontrhydfendigaid. I never
knew this existed; I know nothing of the records of the place. This comes from
being told by family that there were no Baptists in that area.
> Message: #1
> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:01:43 -0500
> From: "Julie Preston" <juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net>
>
>
> According to "Nonconformist Registers of Wales", the following Baptist
> registers for Cardiganshire (mostly burials) are held at the NLW. Perhaps
> your query wasn't specific enough or, alternatively, it's possible the
> particular church register you need has not been deposited.
>
> Bethel Baptist
> Aberystwyth
> Chr. 1788-1837, Bur. 1798-1810I
>
> Pen-y-coed/Pencoedgleision Baptist
>
> I've seen the name of this chapel but I don't think it is in Bettws Bledwrs.
> If I'm wrong, I'll be shot down on this list.
>
> Betws Bledrws
> Burials 1751-1857
>
> Tregaron, Argoed Baptist
> Caron-Is-Clawdd
> Burials 1751-1857
>
> Penrhyn-coch, Horeb Baptist
> Trefeurig
> Marr. 1925-62
I would think that the chapel would still have its own records for marriages
of the 20th century.
>
> May I suggest you consider the possibility that they may have attended
> Baptist services or their entries might be written in a traveling preacher's
> register from over the border in Carmarthenshire. Following are the
> registers from Carmarthenshire. Note that any registers held by the PRO
> should've been filmed by the LDS, as well. Suggest you zero in on Baptist
> churches located very
There was a Baptist chapel at Cilygwyn in Llangybi at one time. The problem
with Cilygwyn it has been many religions.
Annie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Preston" <juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: <WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: [WLS-CGN] Nonconformist records
>
> Annie,
>
> Ann is looking for the registers of Siloam Baptist in Verwick, CGN. It
> doesn't appear they've deposited any registers with any of the archives.
>
> Regards,
>
> Julie Preston
> juliefpreston(a)sbcglobal.net
There was no legal obligation on nonconformist churches to keep registers
and there was no strong tradition of record keeping amongst Baptist
congregations. It would not be at all surprising if no early 19th century
registers from a particular chapel had survived - or had never even
existed. Congregations had considerable autonomy in these matters.
General Baptist congregations and Particular Baptist congregations both
repudiated the idea of infant baptism (although in some places births in
members' families were recorded instead). Nor could they conduct legal
marriage ceremonies between 1754-1837. After that date marriages might be
solemnised in the presence of the local registrar, although most
nonconformist chapels were still not allowed to apply for their own official
marriage registers, until after 1898. (Some nonconformists maintained
unofficial marriage registers, but often only sporadically).
After 1742, Baptists, Presbyterians and Congregationalists established the
General Register of Births, based in Dr Williams's Library in London. It
was open to parents from these denominations in all areas to register their
children's birth and to obtain a form of birth certificate, on payment of a
fee of sixpence. However, the proportion availing themselves of this
facility was not large. The nonconformist General Register was transferred
to the custody of the Register General in 1837, when it contained a national
total of 48,975 registrations of birth. Most Baptist chapel registers,
where they existed, were transferred at that same time. The records later
passed to the Public Record Office/National Archives at Kew. Microfilm
copies can be seen at the Family Records Centre in London (and very probably
elsewhere?).
According to 'Cardiganshire County History, Vol. 3', the Siloam (Verwick)
Baptist cause was established c1770 and the chapel was still intact in 1996.
There was a Particular Baptist chapel in Cardigan from 1775 (Bethany) and an
English Baptist chapel (Mount Zion) from 1880. If no early registers were
known when the lists in 'Nonconformist Registers of Wales' were being
compiled, I would guess that the chance of any early ones turning up now is
quite low.
AJ
Ann, I don't know where you live - but you are in the USA or Canada, you can
order them thru your local Family History Center as many of those records have
been filmed by the Mormons.
Annie
> Anndriscoll(a)aol.com
> To: WLS-CARDIGANSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Message-ID: <1d2.1b623ae0.2d7b3d94(a)aol.com>
> Subject: [WLS-CGN] Non conformist registers, where are they?
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>
> Hi everyone, I am desperately seeking the repository for the Welsh non
> conformist births/baptisms etc for the period 100-1837. Has anyone any idea
> where
> they are?
>
> The NLW said no they don't - twice
> Cardigan Records office don't have them either - the area I am researching
> is
> Cardigan.
> The particular non-conformists are the Baptists and they seem to have gone
> to
> ground!!
>
> Any information will be very much appreciated
>
> Thanks
>
> Ann
>
>