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Hello David,
Further to my response with the baptism entries. I have now discovered the
family in the 1861 Census RG9:4212/f4/p2. living in Chapel Street, St.
John's Parish, Brecon.
Jane the wife is 47 years-of-age (b 1814), a laundress, born Bath, Somerset.
They have a daughter Catherine aged 10, Louisa aged 6 and a son William aged
12 living with them.
There are other MATTHEWS basketmakers living at the Watton, St. Mary's
Parish, Brecon.
Regards,
Glyndwr (Glyn) Davies,
Chatham, Kent, UK.
With the kind help of list members, I have found my g-g-grandfather, one
William MATTHEWS, born Bristol 1816/17 married to Jane, b. Bath 1811/12.
They lived at 5 Lion Yard, Brecon in 1851.
Trying now to find details of Jane. IGI shows only one likely marriage -
William Matthews to Jane GAYTON, 23.05.1937. This is the right name in the
right place and a year before the birth of the first child - looks promising.
Does anyone have any information about Jane GAYTON as the IGI has no birth
record.
If anyone knows anything of William's father, that would be quite marvellous.
One possible clue lies in William's trade.
William was a Basket Maker (as was his son William jnr b. Brecon 1848/9).
There are also 2 Matthews in Bristol making baskets (possibly Williams father
& uncle?) [from Pigots 1830] and another basket-making Matthews in Swansea at
the same time. In just a day, I seem to have discovered a lot of basket
makers called Matthews. Does anyone know of any more? Could that be why the
family spread to Wales - because they had cornered the Bristol basket market?
Suggestions welcome.
David Matthews
Hi,
Lucky you! I have been unable to access the site but I am not surprised as
I expected it to be very busy. Thanks for the advice which I am sure will
be very helpful when I eventually have a chance to check the index.
Regards,
Margaret Harvey
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugh Wallis" <hugh(a)our-own-home.com>
To: <WLS-BRECONSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:24 PM
Subject: Sharing a neat 1901 census trick to reduce the likelihood of abject
poverty
> I just figured out this neat trick to help you figure out which family is
> yours from the 1901 census (if you can ever get your search to complete!)
> before you actually risk life, limb and your children's school lunch money
> and order the image files.
>
> I searched for my Philip PETTITT family, first by finding the one person I
> was certain of - the father - since I knew his birth place and date.
>
> I found him in Bristol so I searched for every PETTITT in Bristol and came
> up with what was obviously more than one family.
>
> I then noticed that, if you hover your mouse over the icon that takes you
> down the slippery slope into abject poverty (a.k.a getting the census page
> image), in Internet Exploder it displays a message like "Shortcut to
> ChargeableServlet?rType=image&pageType=PAGE&pageId=847185" in the status
bar
> at the bottom left of the IE window. I speculate that the number after
> pageId is the identifier for the actual image to be retrieved. So,
hovering
> over all the buttons in turn you can see which ones have the same pageId
and
> thus are the same family. In my case there were clearly 4 distinct PETTITT
> families in Bristol and I was able to separate them out easily.
>
> It's not 100% of course - you don't get other people at the same address
for
> example, however you can see if your family is on one page or two (I
imagine
> that the pages are going to have sequential pageIDs)
>
> Hope this helps someone
>
> Cheers
>
> Hugh Wallis
>
>
I just figured out this neat trick to help you figure out which family is
yours from the 1901 census (if you can ever get your search to complete!)
before you actually risk life, limb and your children's school lunch money
and order the image files.
I searched for my Philip PETTITT family, first by finding the one person I
was certain of - the father - since I knew his birth place and date.
I found him in Bristol so I searched for every PETTITT in Bristol and came
up with what was obviously more than one family.
I then noticed that, if you hover your mouse over the icon that takes you
down the slippery slope into abject poverty (a.k.a getting the census page
image), in Internet Exploder it displays a message like "Shortcut to
ChargeableServlet?rType=image&pageType=PAGE&pageId=847185" in the status bar
at the bottom left of the IE window. I speculate that the number after
pageId is the identifier for the actual image to be retrieved. So, hovering
over all the buttons in turn you can see which ones have the same pageId and
thus are the same family. In my case there were clearly 4 distinct PETTITT
families in Bristol and I was able to separate them out easily.
It's not 100% of course - you don't get other people at the same address for
example, however you can see if your family is on one page or two (I imagine
that the pages are going to have sequential pageIDs)
Hope this helps someone
Cheers
Hugh Wallis
Dear Margaret,
Thank you so much.
There can't be many basket makers called William Matthews in the area -
William Johnson Matthews obviously followed in his father's footsteps! The
Morgans are a real bonus.
I will try the map sites to try and locate Pendre.
Thanks again - I did not expect to discover so much so quickly. You're very
kind.
David Matthews
Hi to the list,
This is just me wanting to share with you that posting on the Rootsweb
surnames lists still is working!!! I have now found another CALLEN
family member because of a LONG SPECIFIC post I made about six months
ago!
The gentleman that I left a message for at the time had no connection.
But then 6 mos. or so later I had a hit! I have been wonderfully blessed
that at each holiday I have been the recipient of a new family member and
i was getting sad that I hadn't received my Christmas gift of a new
rellie [as kaz would say on the GLAM list ;-) ] this year. So I kept on
plunking away at the keys...
And then yesterday, New Year's Day, I had an e-mail from a woman in WI
that had found a Maria CALLIN in her family bible and had seen my earlier
post. She believed that the dates matched and they could be one in the
same person as my GG Grandfather's half-sister. I try so hard to keep
track of the sisters and daughter in my families because women are so
easy to lose, but I had not made much headway with tracking Maria CALLIN
after her mother died and her father remarried my 3x's great grandmother.
Needless to say, our Maria CALLEN's are one in the same person, being
born 12 Oct 1834 to Charles CALLEN and Mary FUDGE of Beaufort, BRE and
being christened 28 Dec 1834 according to:
"Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of Aberystruth, in the County of
Monmouth in the Year 1834 - Entry No. 434 Maria, born the 12th of Oct
last, daur of Charles and Mary Callen, Abode: Beaufort Works parish of
Llangattog (sic), Quality, Trade or Profession: Miner, By Dan. Rees, P.
Curate."
So keep posting your details, both here on the list and on the Surnames
Lists at Rootsweb. It really works! (See I'm even dropping bread crumbs
on the trail as we speak.)
Many thanks for all your kindnesses. Thanks for letting me share my good
news.
Best wishes in the New Year,
Dawn Perry-Taft
Central Coast, CA
Happy New Year to all on the list. As a new member, I'd like to post my
interests:
Looking for any information about the family of one William Johnson MATTHEWS,
born 1848/9 in Brecon who married Joan MORGAN in 1870. She was born
Llanhamlach in 1851/2. The 1881 Census has them living at 'Pendre' (anyone
know where this is?) - census place Brecknock St. John Evangelist.
Any information greatly appreciated.
David Matthews