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> Professor Melville Richards was Professor of Welsh at Bangor from 1967 to 1973. Throughout his outstanding academic life his major interest was the study of the place-names of Wales. He collected many thousands of names of rivers, hills, bays, fields, villages and towns.
>
> Much of his research was published but there is still invaluable material as yet unpublished. On his death in 1973, he deposited his entire collection of research slips (some 300,000 of them) on permanent loan at Bangor.
[text source: http://www.bangor.ac.uk/PlaceNames/English/html/projects.html]
You can now search the database at:
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Jeanne Gold
Albany, OR, USA
I'm afraid that I failed to discover him at all. Perhaps someone else will
have more success
Angharad
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From: "rubytuesday" <sh001k2186(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <wls-anglesey(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:15 PM
Subject: [AGY] gughes in 1841
>I am trying to establish a link recently found regarding Owen Hughes born
>about 1819. Can sks help with image details for 1841 for Owen born in
>Llanbadrig, Anglesey. I am hoping Owen is living with possible parents
>David Hughes (Tailor) and Ann.
>
> I don't know anything about him other than he was a witness to my relly's
> marriage in 1842 and I suspect he is my relly's brother.
>
> Any help would as always be very much appreciated.
>
> Syl - UK
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I had a very senior moment in my last e-mail regarding the Hughes name when I keyed in gughes incorrectly, sorry.
I am trying to establish a link recently found regarding Owen Hughes born about 1819. Can sks help with image details for 1841 for Owen born in Llanbadrig, Anglesey. I am hoping Owen is living with possible parents David Hughes (Tailor) and Ann.
I don't know anything about him other than he was a witness to my relly's marriage in 1842 and I suspect he is my relly's brother.
Any help would as always be very much appreciated.
Syl - UK
I am trying to establish a link recently found regarding Owen Hughes born about 1819. Can sks help with image details for 1841 for Owen born in Llanbadrig, Anglesey. I am hoping Owen is living with possible parents David Hughes (Tailor) and Ann.
I don't know anything about him other than he was a witness to my relly's marriage in 1842 and I suspect he is my relly's brother.
Any help would as always be very much appreciated.
Syl - UK
I was wondering if anyone in this group is researching the following
family:
Robert JONES
born 1843-1844, Caernarvonshire
marriage: 4th quarter 1897, Bangor Reg Dist to
Mary SMART (nee OWEN)
born 08 Apr - 31 Dec 1858, Llangeinwen, Angleseyshire
father: John OWEN
mother: Laura (EVANS?)
sibs: Jane, Anne, Elizabeth, Owen W., John W., Rebecca
son: Robert Edward JONES
born 1898-1899, LlanfairPG, Anglesey
Regards,
Jeanne
I am researching the Roberts family from Amlwch and I was hoping that sks could help with further info. I am looking for Robert Roberts who would have been about 80 years old or his children mainly William who would have been about 50 or any other Roberts relating to the farm Penbol Uchaf, Amlwch, Anglesey. I believe this farm belonged to this family to at least 1901. I have researched the online 1881 census using every combination I can without success.
Any help as always will be more than appreciated.
Syl - UK
Hi William, I would be very interested to have details of this info. I have
him in 1861 but I wasn't sure if he was in Liverpool or Wales in 1851. Any
help would be appreciated.
Regards as always
Syl - UK
Is he living in Toxteth Park at the time you mention ?? I've found a Hugh
Hughes living there as a lodger, occupation carpenter. Not sure if I can
send you the images though, but it might be worth trying to find his parents
in 1851.
William
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From: "rubytuesday" <sh001k2186(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <wls-anglesey(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:10 PM
Subject: [AGY] 1851 help pls
> Can sks help with image details for Hugh Hughes who would be about 37
> years old in 1851 and unmarried. Hugh was a Joiner (or Carpenter) and was
> born in Llanbadrig, Anglesey. The only occasion when Hugh shows up is in
> the 1861 census living with his brother in Liverpool. Prior to 1861 I had
> no idea of his existence. I am now trying to trace him back to see who
> his parents were.
>
> Many thanks for your patience.
>
> Syl - UK
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Can sks help with image details for Hugh Hughes who would be about 37 years old in 1851 and unmarried. Hugh was a Joiner (or Carpenter) and was born in Llanbadrig, Anglesey. The only occasion when Hugh shows up is in the 1861 census living with his brother in Liverpool. Prior to 1861 I had no idea of his existence. I am now trying to trace him back to see who his parents were.
Many thanks for your patience.
Syl - UK
The Guardian has just opened a digital archive http://www.guardian.co.uk/archive
I have searched it and find there are q a few references to the Welsh of Liverpool and Manchester as well as notices of sale of some Welsh farms &c.
Yours,
Ian
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can sks help with image details for William and Catherine Hughes both should be in their 70's in 1851. Hopefully they will have son Hugh Hughes aged about 30 (Carpenter) living with them. As far as I know they were all born in Llanbadrig, Anglesey. I don't know if they are my rellies or not but I am researching an avenue which I hope may bring results.
Regards to all
Syl - UK
Thank you, Liz, for your reply. Interestingly enough, that's similar to
one line of thinking I had. What if the father's name was really William
Robert SMART (or even Robert William SMART) but he went by the name
Robert SMART and the son, whose father is deceased, was told he was
named after his father. Not realizing he was named only after the first
name and not the 2nd, he may have assumed his father was William Richard
(like himself) rather than William Robert (or even Robert William).
Jeanne Gold
Albany, OR, USA
http://www.Digging4Roots.com/
On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:09:30 -0000 "robert steggle" <rsbr31709(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
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> I can't really help except to say our own marriage certificate has the wrong
> name of my husband's father. The reason is that my husband was a baby when
> his father was killed in W.W.11. and had only heard his father's middle name
> which was the name that was used.
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I have a mystery which has been driving me insane. I would love to have
some opinions on what I have and found. Fair warning -- this is long --
so feel free to skip it. Unfortunately, to understand my questions, I
have to share with you the background. I've tried time and time again to
just reduce it to a single question or two, but without the info below,
my questions simply make very little sense.
My husband's great grandfather was William Richard SMART. From 1900
onwards, in the US, I have a great deal of information for him. It's his
family and information prior to his arrival (ca 1889) that has me
stumped. Very few of the records on this side of the pond provided much
use when trying to find his English roots. What I have is the following.
(1) from the US census records, he was born Jun 1865 (1900), 1860-61 (1910),
1856-57 (1920) and 1860-61 (1930) -- all in England;
(2) from his application for Social Security in 1939, he was born June 8,
1865, Liverpool, England. His father was William Richard SMART and his
mother was Mary JONES;
(3) from his marriage to Mildren Ann OLNEY ROSE on 2/17/1900, he was
born 1861-62, England;
(4) all records have him as a tailor.
At this point, I think the only thing I can be certain of was that he
was born in the month of June and he was always in the tailoring
business.
I then had a bit of luck. I was put in touch with a granddaughter (born
1924) who remembered her grandfather and had spent time with him.
Unfortunately, her memory was spotty and she tended to wander a great
deal. What I gleaned was the following:
(1) he was born in Liverpool;
(2) was born with club feet and a nice Welsh man performed the surgery
(gratis?);
(3) he married a girl from Wales and had 2 sons by her, both of whom
perished during WWI;
(4) he lived in a famous town with the longest name (* end of email);
(5) worked or lived on a toll gate or toll bridge (or something
connected to a toll and a bridge).
These tidbits led me to a William SMART and wife Mary OWEN (or OWENS) in
the 1881 census. They were living at Turnpike House, Llandegfan,
Anglesey, Wales.
I was also able to find their marriage, Jan 14, 1881. From this I
learned:
(1) William Richard SMART's father was William SMART;
(2) father was deceased;
(3) father had been a "clerk in an office".
This also led me to the wife's family and I learned:
(1) surname was either OWEN or OWENS
(2) family was residing (1871) Foundry Terrace, Menai Bridge Twp, Llandysilio,
Anglesey, Wales and (1881) Llanfair Toll Gate, Llanfair PG, Anglesey,
Wales (found the longest town -- Llanfair PG (*) -- and the "toll"
connection mentioned by the granddaughter).
Let me save you some time: there is not to be found in the GRO: a birth
record for William R. Smart born 1855-65, Liverpool that is him. There
is just one possible entry and the parents are John Smart and "Catherine
late Shearon formerly Martin". There is no marriage record for a William
SMART and Mary JONES, any county, England or Wales, 1938-1969. There
is no 1871 census for a William SMART, working as a clerk, with a son
Wiliam and a wife Mary. There is no 1871 census for a Mary SMART and son
William. (Checked both England and Wales). There is not an 1861 or 1871 census
for any configuration either. I also looked for a William SMART living
by himself, with grandparents or unrelated to the family. Nothing even
comes close. He is in the US by the 1891 census.
What I did find in the 1861 census was the following family which has me
intrigued. I will save some time here and tell you I found other records
for this family group.
Eliza Sophia JONES
born 1828 - 1833, Bristol (SOM or GLS)
note: brother George JONES, b. 1836-37 Bristol; occ. Engine Driver
married Robert SMART
occupation labourer
deceased before 07 Apr 1861
Sophia Jones SMART
born 3 Nov 1853, Bristol, Castle Precincts
christened 17 Sep 1855, St. Peter's Church, Liverpool
William SMART
born Jun-Jul 1860, Liverpool
in 1871 I found Eliza remarried to Thomas WORRAL, the step-children
listed as Sophia JONES and William JONES, and residing Menai Bridge, Llandysilio,
Anglesey. (She is deceased by 1876 and had one more daughter by this 2nd
marriage: Sarah.)
Here's my problems:
(1) William Richard SMART, when he's 20 years old, says his father's
name is William SMART. The above family has Robert SMART as the father.
(2) William Richard SMART, when he's about 79 years old, says his
parents are William Richard SMART and Mary JONES. His wife in England is
(was) Mary OWEN(s) who later remarried and became Mary JONES. However,
the above family has Eliza Sophia JONES as the mother.
(3) William Richard SMART actually has 4 children with his 1st wife and
considerably more with his US wife. But 2 of them I found quite
intriguing. From the Welsh wife: Laura Sophia SMART and William Richard
SMART. From the US wife: William Richard SMART and Sophia B. SMART. The
above family has a sister named Sophia and the mother's middle name is
Sophia.
Good and confused. Me too.
Was William's parents William Richard SMART and Mary JONES (who don't
seem to exist) or Robert SMART and Eliza Sophia JONES (who do but I can
find nothing more about them to prove or disprove the connection)?
I can understand the mistakes made about his mother's name by the time
he was 79 -- but how could he have not known his father's
correct first name when he was only 20 years old? His older sister and
mother were there (though not as witnesses on the marriage, but living
close by).
I think if I could come up with at least one plausible reason he would
have his father's name wrong when he was only 20 (in 1881), I would feel
better about searching more about this elusive family. As it is, I keep
going back to looking for the possibly non-existant family names on his
social security application thinking I must have missed them and this
other family is just a great deal of coincindences (though there are so
MANY of them I can't see how it's not his family.)
I can not get this man out of my head and he's been a walking, waking,
sleeping companion for the past 3 years. My husband says it's driving
him nuts, too, since I seem to spend all my free time looking for him.
Thank you so VERY MUCH for being patient and reading this. If any ideas
strike you, please do suggest them.
Jeanne Gold
Albany, OR, USA
http://www.Digging4Roots.com/
PS (*) Llanfair PG = Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
This info is extremely interesting and may be the way to solve my brick
wall. I am very, very grateful for your kindness.
I have a lot to think about now but at least I have something to go on.
I trust you will have success in your own research.
Kindest regards
Syl - UK
A piece of negative information, I'm afraid, There was no Richard Hughes
registered in the Amlwch district (which includes Llanbadrig) between 1841
and 1844. It might mean that he wasn't registered, this would be quite legal
at that time. Perhaps he was registered in another district, you didn't say
where he was born. Sorry not much help, we have only managed to index 9 of
the 332 civil birth registers and Amlwch 1 & 2 are 2 of these, so was easily
able to check. Good luck, Dave
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Sent: 31 October 2007 23:20
To: wls-anglesey(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [AGY] 1851 mystery
I have an 1851 census for David Hughes and wife Anne. David was a tailor at
this time aged 68 and living at Pentycoli Bach, Llanbadrig, Anglesey. With
this couple was grandson Richard Hughes aged 9 years. However I have no
idea who Richard's parents were as he wouldn't have been born at the time of
the previous census. I am now hoping that someone could help solve this
mystery with a copy of the 1861 census either for Richard who would be about
19 (born in Amlwch) or David and/or Anne who would have been in their 70's
by 1861. I imagine the name Richard Hughes would have been very popular so
maybe the mystery cannot be resolved. I have received unprecedented help
from this list so thank you all for your patience.
Kindest regards
Syl - UK
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I'm sending you some images of a Richard Hughes born Amlwch off list but
none of them fit the requirement of age even.
Angharad
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From: "rubytuesday" <sh001k2186(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <wls-anglesey(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 11:19 PM
Subject: [AGY] 1851 mystery
>I have an 1851 census for David Hughes and wife Anne. David was a tailor
>at this time aged 68 and living at Pentycoli Bach, Llanbadrig, Anglesey.
>With this couple was grandson Richard Hughes aged 9 years. However I have
>no idea who Richard's parents were as he wouldn't have been born at the
>time of the previous census. I am now hoping that someone could help solve
>this mystery with a copy of the 1861 census either for Richard who would be
>about 19 (born in Amlwch) or David and/or Anne who would have been in their
>70's by 1861. I imagine the name Richard Hughes would have been very
>popular so maybe the mystery cannot be resolved. I have received
>unprecedented help from this list so thank you all for your patience.
>
> Kindest regards
>
> Syl - UK
>
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I found the following listed on the 1841 census ;-
William Hughes aged 60 Mariner
Catherine Hughes aged 60
Hugh Hughes aged 28 Carpenter
Margaret Hughes aged 25
Sorry if you already know this, and - if this isn't what you're looking
for - let me know and I'll check on the other censuses.
William
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From: "rubytuesday" <sh001k2186(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <wls-anglesey(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 11:54 PM
Subject: [AGY] 1841 census help please
>I am searching for Hugh Hughes aged about 27 at the time of the 1841
>census. Hugh was a joiner born in Llanbadrig, Anglesey. As far as I know
>Hugh never married or hadn't married up to the 1861 census. I have very
>little information about him other than he had a younger brother Richard.
>
> Clutching at straws again guys, sorry.
>
> Syl - UK
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