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thanks Elida,
I have a couple of Ben Williams from the 81 Anglesey census. However, I need some sort of alternative confirmation, as the info I've got (also from the 71 and 91 census) conflicts with the info which has been passed down by word of mouth.
I do know however that there are several skeletons in the cupboards, most of which would not be worth mentioning today, but 2 generations ago it was very different.
On another note however, does anyone know anything about the Gaolers at Beaumaris, and where I could get more info? One of the leads I have is that an "Uncle Joe" was the last gaoler there..
Thanks
Dewi
WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com schrieb am 19.07.04 14:08:10:
>
> Dewi,
>
> I don't have any WILLIAMS in my Welsh line, but wonder if you have tried an
> online search of the Latter Day Saints:
>
> www.familysearch.com
>
> On that I'd first suggest you try the link to International Genealogical
> Index.
>
> Good luck,
> Elida
> South Carolina, USA
>
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Sorry Betty - this is Amlwch. Thanks all the same.
Not my side of Anglesey....need Bryngwran or Aberffraw.
Cheers, John
-----Original Message-----
From: Betty A. Pace [SMTP:bapace2@juno.com]
Sent: Sunday, 18 July 2004 10:55
To: WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: William Williams - b. 1866, Amlwch
Could this be your William Williams, b. 1866 (census age)?
Betty Pace
PROPOSED FAMILY OF MARY JANE WILLIAMS (b. 3 May 1852), wife of GEORGE
MORGAN HUGHES of Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
1861 Amlwch Census Report in National Library of Wales
Film RG 9 4367, page 20, schedule 134 (end of reel 93 ; this portion is
near the harbor area)
Most of Amlwch is on reel 94
"Waterman's Arms" (house/inn/public house?--no indication of which at
that time)
Lower Quay St.
WILLIAMS, MARY - wife, married, age 34 (so b. 1827-8), Master Mariner's
Wife, born in Amlwch
WILLIAMS, MARY JANE - daughter, age 8 (so b. 1852-3), scholar, b. Amlwch
GRIFFITH, CATHERINE - Servant, Unm'd, age 22, house servant, b. Amlwch
(In 1861 Amlwch Census, Geo. Morgan Hughes and his brother Edward M.
Hughes were living on Chapel St. and had an unmarried housekeeper MARY
WILLIAMS, age 35)
1871 Amlwch Census Report
Chapel St. (no house number given)
WILLIAMS, MARY - age 44 (b.1827-8), Master Mariner's Wife, b. Amlwch
WILLIAMS, JOHN G. - son age 7, b. Amlwch (b.1864 when mother 37)
WILLIAMS, WILLIAM - son age 5, b. Amlwch (b.1866 when mother 39)
WILLIAMS, THOMAS R. - son age 2, b. Amlwch (b.1869 when mother 42)
(*Mary Jane Williams is not living at home--employed or school? Would be
19 yrs old)
(*I had found a MARY WILLIAMS - age 18 - general servant to ROBERT
ROBERTS living in Llaneilian [near Amlwch, I think] - next door is a JANE
WILLIAMS, age 80 pauper. This may or may not be our Mary Jane Williams,
who seems to have used "Mary Jane" consistently)
1874 - at the time of her marriage she showed her address as Laburnum
Cottage, Port Amlwch, but we have no idea how long she had lived there
Amlwch Census Report
20 Llaneilian Rd., Amlwch
WILLIAMS, MARY - age 53 - widow head of household - b. Amlwch
WILLIAMS, WILLIAM - son age 14 - joiner - b. Amlwch
WILLIAMS, THOMAS R. - son age 12 - scholar - b. Amlwch
GRIFFITH, EVAN - brother age 55 - unm'd - sailor - b. Amlwch
(Thus GRIFFITH is probably the maiden name of MARY WILLIAMS)
It appears that husband (Capt.John Williams) had died 1879--lost at sea
aboard the Rose Schneider.
From: John Edwards <edwardsj(a)bigpond.com>
To: WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:05:18 +1000
Subject: Williams' or Hughes' in and around Aberffraw (Anglesey) area
Hi William, Hughes et al,
With all the WILLIAMS' mulling around right now, here is some more info
from my side.
I have a front page from a Bible that shows the following names and dates
(all Williams):
Sidney 17.Sept.1808
Owen 30.Jun.1810
Eleanor 31.Oct.1812
Thomas 16.May.1821
Anne 27.Jan.1828
Hugh 25.Jun.1815
My Great Grandfather was a William Williams b1865, and married a Grace
Hughes b1865. One of my Grace's sisters married a Jack Williams b1878
(Melinydd) - the Miller/Baker.
Anyone got some commonality. There is some "family lore" or a USA link.
I'm related to about half the village of old Aberffraw !! Anyone else ?
Rgds, John
______________________________
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Hi Leanne
I had a few moments of real boredom at work yesterday, so thought I would
have a go with some of your names. I picked on STURT because it was the
least common (in the nicest sense).
I looked at the 1881 and 1901 census and FreeBMD on-line for Harriet
STURT.
There is this family in 1881:
RG11 0564/82 page 8
23 George Row, Bermondsey, Surrey
Mary STURT, head, Widow, 61, b. Gt Bookham, Surrey, no occupation
Mary STURT, Daur, 31, b. Leatherhead, Surrey, Tie Maker (Hosier)
Harriett STURT, Daur, 25, b. Gt Bookham, Surrey, Tailoress
Sarah STURT, Daur, 23, b. Gt Bookham, Surrey, Tie maker (Hosier)
Thomas STURT, Son, 21, b. Gt Bookham, Surrey, Carman
Chas. Fk. DRUMMOND, Boarder, 12, b. Ipswich, Suffolk, Scholar
Arthur Jas. DRUMMOND, Boarder, 10, Bermondsey, Surrey, Scholar
For a horse connection:
RG11 5593/46 page 17
Cefnleisiog, Llanrhyddlad, Anglesey
Richard WILLIAMS, Head, 49, b. Llanrhyddlad, Anglesey, Colt breaker (Hor)
Ellen WILLIAMS, Wife, 38, Llanrhyddlad, Anglesey
Gronw Mark WILLIAMS, son, 5, Llanrhyddlad, Anglesey
In 1901:
Harriet STURT, married, 68, b. Surrey, at Lancaster
And for a Welsh connection:
Thos. STURT, 37, birthplace blank, at Monmouthshire, Llanhilleth, Coal
Miner Underground Hever
There is also:
Napier STURT, 64, b. New South Wales, at Monmouth Llanvihangel, Retired
officer of the army
Beatzit STURT, 51, b. Sussex, Hastings, at Monmouth Llanvihangel
From FreeBMD:
Harriet STURT, d. Conway, age 62, March 1902, 11b 369
There are other Harriet STURTs, but not with a Welsh connection. They are
almost all from the Surrey area.
Good luck with your search.
Denise
Living in Berks, UK
Researching OWEN, JONES, Holyhead
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Hi List....
I am hoping that SKS will do a LOOK UP in the 1871 Census for Anglesey...
I would like to have the household for that year of ROBERT WILLIAMS, Baker &
Flour Dealer from Llanfachreth.......also WILLIAM WILLIAMS, Miller from
Trewalchmai.
I would be obliged & very Grateful for a copy of the census for these two
families...
Thanking you in advance...
David PONTEE
Gwynedd, PA is located in what is known as the "Welsh Tract" just north and
west of Philadelphia. It was founded by William Penn, who was a Quaker
himself. He had received a charter for the founding of Pennsylvania from Charles the
Second.
The Welsh Tract is still populated, mainly, by people of Welsh ancestry.
Names of towns like Bryn Mawr, Bryn Athyn, Bala Cynwydd, Tredyffrin, Berwyn.
Many Quakers are still there.
Elida
This is from the web site of the Virginia Library, Virginia USA. The
Gwynedd referred to is apparently in the U.S. also--in Pennsylvania.
What strikes me is that the names of so many of these people are Welsh
surnames. They are living in a Quaker community and the Sarah Morgan (of
Philadelphia Co., PA) referred to is the mother of our legendary folk
hero, Daniel Boone.
Betty Pace
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JOHN LEWIS Deed 1668 New Kent Co., Va LEWIS To all etc to whom go now
know yea that I the sayd BerkerlyCty governor etc give and grant unto an
JOHN LEWIS one hundred acres of Land Lying in part County and on the NE
side fo Caine hole swamp beginning at the red Oake tree of John Leoissone
land next Edward Wadkins land and running WS V: 900 poles to Cain hole
swamp then on several up along the Swamp to the head spring this land and
John Kings then joining to the said Leoissone Land S by V: 140 pole to a
red oake corner tree SSE ¼ 134 pole along the lyne of near for trees to
the place where it began. The Land Grant being by and for the
transportation of two persons and to have and to hold adjoining and
paying present 22nd day of April 1668 Tho C. Squire Boone m. Sarah Morgan
marriage certificate from Gwynedd Meeting records; Whereas Squire Boone,
son of George Boone, of the county of Philadelphia and Province of
Pennsylvania, yeoman, and Sarah Morgan, dau. of Edward Morgan, of the
said county and province, having declared their intentions of marriage
with each other before two monthly meetings of ye people called Quakers,
held at Gwynedd, in ye said county, according to ye good order used among
them, whose proceedings therein, after deliberate consideration, and
having consent of parents and relations concerned therein, their said
proceedings are allowed by said meeting: NOW THESE ARE TO CERTIFY whom it
may concern that for the full accomplishment of their said intentions
this 23rd day of ye 7th month, in the year of our Lord 1720, the said
Squire Boone and Sarah Morgan appeared at a solemn assembly of the said
people for that purpose appointed at their public meeting place in
Gwynedd aforesaid, and the said Squire Boone took the said Sarah Morgan
by the hand [and] did in a solemn manner declare that he took her to be
his wife, promising to be unto her a faithful and loving husband, until
death should separate them, and then and there in the said assembly the
said Sarah Morgan did likewise declare [etc., etc., etc.]. Signed SQUIRE
BOONE SARAH BOONE [Witnesses] Morgan Hugh, Cad'r Evans, George Boone,
John Edwards, Mary Webb, Edward Morgan, Thomas Evans, Elizabeth Morris,
Elizabeth Morgan, Cadw'r Evans, Dorothy Morgan, George Boone [Junior],
Robert Evans, Elizabeth Hughes, Ja : Boon, Jno. Cadwalader, Mary Hammer,
Wm. Morgan, Jno. Williams, Elizabeth Morgan, Jno. Morgan, Jno. Humphrey,
Jane Griffith, Daniel Morgan, Jno. Jones, Mary Jones, Morgan Morgan, Jno.
Jones, Ellin Evans, Jos. Morgan, Owen Griffith, Gainor Janes, Jno. Webb,
Rowland Roberts, Samuel Thomas, Amos Griffith, John Evans and Robert
Jones.
Hi Leanne,
not sure where they would have left from to go to Australia. I have 2 William Williams who left Caernarfonshire 75 years apart to emigrate to the USA. They both left from Liverpool.
Cardiff would have been a possiblity, but from the north, I would bet on Liverpool.
Dewi
WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com schrieb am 17.07.04 11:34:40:
>
> To Dewi,
>
> Thanks for your email.
> I knew it wasn't going to be easy to find a Williams ancestor soon in a
> Country that has Williams as a popular surname.
> I am determined to plod along until I find him.
> I do know when he died which helped me take a fairly good guess on approx
> birth year but as I saw it said he came from England but my grandmother
> remembers his very strong Welsh accent.
> Could it be that he went to London and sailed? Did Welsh immigrants have to
> catch the boats from London or did any boats leave from Wales?
> Ashamedly I am quite a novice to immigration and emigration.
> Regards
> Leanne Baulch
> CAIRNS QLD AUSTRALIA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dewi Evans" <dewi.evans(a)web.de>
> To: <WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [ANG] WILLIAMS FROM WALES
>
>
> > Hi Leanne,
> >
> > welcome to the Anglesey board.
> >
> > Looks like you've found a good one to start with. I have 2 sets of
> Williams from Anglesey, all farmers, all with sisters named Grace,
> Elizabeth, Mary, Catherine and brothers named William, Robert, Richard. It
> doesn't make things much easier that they all seem to have intermarried at
> one point or other.
> >
> > There used to be a few windmills on Anglesey, but no longer. There is one
> that has been converted and is now a cafe, so this may well be a good
> starting point. Also the name Dunlop is not a typical Angelsey name (Irish
> maybe?). This would be another avenue to search.
> >
> > If you know an approximate date, you could send an email to the archives
> at Llangefni and they will be able to help with a marriage certificate.
> >
> > There is an online census of Amlwch, 1851, which is still a bit too early
> for me, but it may be of help to you.
> >
> > http://www.amlwchdata.co.uk/amlwch1851.asp
> >
> > Theres no Dunlop listed there, but 32 pages of Williams, 2 pages of
> Richard Williams, one of whom is a jockey.
> >
> > Good luck
> >
> > Dewi
> >
> > WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com schrieb am 15.07.04 06:03:31:
> > >
> > > Hello everyone,
> > > I am new to the list.
> > > I am looking for information on my ancestors who came from Wales. As I
> do not have very much in the way of information on them I cannot give many
> details.
> > >
> > > My great great grandfather was William Williams who came out to
> Australia before 1881. He married a Janet Dunlop. The family I believe were
> in the Bakery business either having a Bakery or a Flour Mill near a river.
> I am a little unsure of whether it was situated in Anglesey but I have a
> feeling it may have been.
> > >
> > > The name Richard Williams has come up either being his brother or father
> and the names linked with him are either Harriet Ann Sturt or Grace
> Griffiths. They I believe may have had something to do with farming and
> Horses.
> > > I am sorry as this is all I seem to know and it is very sketchy.
> > > Please if anyone has any information as to whee I go from here I would
> appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Leanne Baulch
> > > Cairns QLD AUSTRALIA
> > >
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Dewi,
I don't have any WILLIAMS in my Welsh line, but wonder if you have tried an
online search of the Latter Day Saints:
www.familysearch.com
On that I'd first suggest you try the link to International Genealogical
Index.
Good luck,
Elida
South Carolina, USA
Hello John,
I read your listing and I was curious. I am looking for a William Williams
from Wales whose family owned a Bakery or flour mill. I do not have much
info as you can see but he may have had a brother or father named Richard.
William came out to Australia around 1879-1881. He married Janet Dunlop.
William had a son Robert James Williams who is my great grandfather but I do
not know much about him either.
Other family I do not know of.
Regards
Leanne Baulch
CAIRNS QLD AUSTRALIA
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Edwards" <edwardsj(a)bigpond.com>
To: <WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:05 AM
Subject: [ANG] Williams' or Hughes' in and around Aberffraw (Anglesey) area
> Hi William, Hughes et al,
>
> With all the WILLIAMS' mulling around right now, here is some more info
> from my side.
>
> I have a front page from a Bible that shows the following names and dates
> (all Williams):
> Sidney 17.Sept.1808
> Owen 30.Jun.1810
> Eleanor 31.Oct.1812
> Thomas 16.May.1821
> Anne 27.Jan.1828
> Hugh 25.Jun.1815
>
> My Great Grandfather was a William Williams b1865, and married a Grace
> Hughes b1865. One of my Grace's sisters married a Jack Williams b1878
> (Melinydd) - the Miller/Baker.
>
> Anyone got some commonality. There is some "family lore" or a USA link.
>
> I'm related to about half the village of old Aberffraw !! Anyone else ?
>
> Rgds, John
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: WLS-ANGLESEY-D Digest V04 #128
>
> << Message: Untitled Attachment >> << Message: Re: [ANG] WILLIAMS FROM
> WALES >> << Message: Re: [ANG] WILLIAMS FROM WALES >> << Message: Fw:
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Hi William, Hughes et al,
With all the WILLIAMS' mulling around right now, here is some more info
from my side.
I have a front page from a Bible that shows the following names and dates
(all Williams):
Sidney 17.Sept.1808
Owen 30.Jun.1810
Eleanor 31.Oct.1812
Thomas 16.May.1821
Anne 27.Jan.1828
Hugh 25.Jun.1815
My Great Grandfather was a William Williams b1865, and married a Grace
Hughes b1865. One of my Grace's sisters married a Jack Williams b1878
(Melinydd) - the Miller/Baker.
Anyone got some commonality. There is some "family lore" or a USA link.
I'm related to about half the village of old Aberffraw !! Anyone else ?
Rgds, John
-----Original Message-----
From: WLS-ANGLESEY-D-request(a)rootsweb.com
[SMTP:WLS-ANGLESEY-D-request@rootsweb.com]
Sent: Sunday, 18 July 2004 8:01
To: WLS-ANGLESEY-D(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: WLS-ANGLESEY-D Digest V04 #128
<< Message: Untitled Attachment >> << Message: Re: [ANG] WILLIAMS FROM
WALES >> << Message: Re: [ANG] WILLIAMS FROM WALES >> << Message: Fw:
JOHN PARRY & ANNE THOMAS >>
Could this be your William Williams, b. 1866 (census age)?
Betty Pace
PROPOSED FAMILY OF MARY JANE WILLIAMS (b. 3 May 1852), wife of GEORGE
MORGAN HUGHES of Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
1861 Amlwch Census Report in National Library of Wales
Film RG 9 4367, page 20, schedule 134 (end of reel 93 ; this portion is
near the harbor area)
Most of Amlwch is on reel 94
"Waterman's Arms" (house/inn/public house?--no indication of which at
that time)
Lower Quay St.
WILLIAMS, MARY - wife, married, age 34 (so b. 1827-8), Master Mariner's
Wife, born in Amlwch
WILLIAMS, MARY JANE - daughter, age 8 (so b. 1852-3), scholar, b. Amlwch
GRIFFITH, CATHERINE - Servant, Unm'd, age 22, house servant, b. Amlwch
(In 1861 Amlwch Census, Geo. Morgan Hughes and his brother Edward M.
Hughes were living on Chapel St. and had an unmarried housekeeper MARY
WILLIAMS, age 35)
1871 Amlwch Census Report
Chapel St. (no house number given)
WILLIAMS, MARY - age 44 (b.1827-8), Master Mariner's Wife, b. Amlwch
WILLIAMS, JOHN G. - son age 7, b. Amlwch (b.1864 when mother 37)
WILLIAMS, WILLIAM - son age 5, b. Amlwch (b.1866 when mother 39)
WILLIAMS, THOMAS R. - son age 2, b. Amlwch (b.1869 when mother 42)
(*Mary Jane Williams is not living at home--employed or school? Would be
19 yrs old)
(*I had found a MARY WILLIAMS - age 18 - general servant to ROBERT
ROBERTS living in Llaneilian [near Amlwch, I think] - next door is a JANE
WILLIAMS, age 80 pauper. This may or may not be our Mary Jane Williams,
who seems to have used "Mary Jane" consistently)
1874 - at the time of her marriage she showed her address as Laburnum
Cottage, Port Amlwch, but we have no idea how long she had lived there
Amlwch Census Report
20 Llaneilian Rd., Amlwch
WILLIAMS, MARY - age 53 - widow head of household - b. Amlwch
WILLIAMS, WILLIAM - son age 14 - joiner - b. Amlwch
WILLIAMS, THOMAS R. - son age 12 - scholar - b. Amlwch
GRIFFITH, EVAN - brother age 55 - unm'd - sailor - b. Amlwch
(Thus GRIFFITH is probably the maiden name of MARY WILLIAMS)
It appears that husband (Capt.John Williams) had died 1879--lost at sea
aboard the Rose Schneider.
From: John Edwards <edwardsj(a)bigpond.com>
To: WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:05:18 +1000
Subject: Williams' or Hughes' in and around Aberffraw (Anglesey) area
Hi William, Hughes et al,
With all the WILLIAMS' mulling around right now, here is some more info
from my side.
I have a front page from a Bible that shows the following names and dates
(all Williams):
Sidney 17.Sept.1808
Owen 30.Jun.1810
Eleanor 31.Oct.1812
Thomas 16.May.1821
Anne 27.Jan.1828
Hugh 25.Jun.1815
My Great Grandfather was a William Williams b1865, and married a Grace
Hughes b1865. One of my Grace's sisters married a Jack Williams b1878
(Melinydd) - the Miller/Baker.
Anyone got some commonality. There is some "family lore" or a USA link.
I'm related to about half the village of old Aberffraw !! Anyone else ?
Rgds, John
______________________________
Hi Arlene,
Thankyou for your email.
I will certainly look at the Trade Directory.
I have an awful feeling though that there may be a lot of them.
One thing that I am is patient and thorough.
Unfortunately along with the relatives who do not like to give any info away
the only other relative who actually visited the house where they lived (and
is still standing) passed away recently and I have just found out that she
took pictures.
One thing that worries me is maybe William and Richard may have come from
another part of Wales which would make it more harder to pin down.
Sorry I am rambling on
Regards
Leanne Baulch
CAIRNS QLD AUSTRALIA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene Berta" <arlene(a)thewrightplace.net>
To: <WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: [ANG] WILLIAMS FROM WALES
> Hi Leanne,
> Williams is the second most popular name in Wales, so you have an
> adventure ahead of you. As stated, Dunlop is not a Welsh name and would
> therefore be easier to trace for a marriage certificate. The cert would
> give your their area of birth and their father's names, if they were
> listed. Registering took place starting in 1837. Prior to this, your
> search is parish registers.
>
> Do you know the years of birth, marriage, death? This would help to
> narrow your search, and finding certificates.
>
> You could have a look at the rootsweb trade directories for a baker in
> Anglesey. I have found information about my family this way.
>
> Happy hunting,
> Arlene Berta
> Folsom, Califoria
>
>
>
> > Hello everyone,
> > I am new to the list.
> > I am looking for information on my ancestors who came from Wales. As I
do
> > not have very much in the way of information on them I cannot give many
> > details.
> >
> > My great great grandfather was William Williams who came out to
Australia
> > before 1881. He married a Janet Dunlop. The family I believe were in the
> > Bakery business either having a Bakery or a Flour Mill near a river. I
am
> > a little unsure of whether it was situated in Anglesey but I have a
> > feeling it may have been.
> >
> > The name Richard Williams has come up either being his brother or father
> > and the names linked with him are either Harriet Ann Sturt or Grace
> > Griffiths. They I believe may have had something to do with farming and
> > Horses.
> > I am sorry as this is all I seem to know and it is very sketchy.
> > Please if anyone has any information as to whee I go from here I would
> > appreciate it.
> >
> > Regards
> > Leanne Baulch
> > Cairns QLD AUSTRALIA
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To Dewi,
Thanks for your email.
I knew it wasn't going to be easy to find a Williams ancestor soon in a
Country that has Williams as a popular surname.
I am determined to plod along until I find him.
I do know when he died which helped me take a fairly good guess on approx
birth year but as I saw it said he came from England but my grandmother
remembers his very strong Welsh accent.
Could it be that he went to London and sailed? Did Welsh immigrants have to
catch the boats from London or did any boats leave from Wales?
Ashamedly I am quite a novice to immigration and emigration.
Regards
Leanne Baulch
CAIRNS QLD AUSTRALIA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dewi Evans" <dewi.evans(a)web.de>
To: <WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [ANG] WILLIAMS FROM WALES
> Hi Leanne,
>
> welcome to the Anglesey board.
>
> Looks like you've found a good one to start with. I have 2 sets of
Williams from Anglesey, all farmers, all with sisters named Grace,
Elizabeth, Mary, Catherine and brothers named William, Robert, Richard. It
doesn't make things much easier that they all seem to have intermarried at
one point or other.
>
> There used to be a few windmills on Anglesey, but no longer. There is one
that has been converted and is now a cafe, so this may well be a good
starting point. Also the name Dunlop is not a typical Angelsey name (Irish
maybe?). This would be another avenue to search.
>
> If you know an approximate date, you could send an email to the archives
at Llangefni and they will be able to help with a marriage certificate.
>
> There is an online census of Amlwch, 1851, which is still a bit too early
for me, but it may be of help to you.
>
> http://www.amlwchdata.co.uk/amlwch1851.asp
>
> Theres no Dunlop listed there, but 32 pages of Williams, 2 pages of
Richard Williams, one of whom is a jockey.
>
> Good luck
>
> Dewi
>
> WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com schrieb am 15.07.04 06:03:31:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> > I am new to the list.
> > I am looking for information on my ancestors who came from Wales. As I
do not have very much in the way of information on them I cannot give many
details.
> >
> > My great great grandfather was William Williams who came out to
Australia before 1881. He married a Janet Dunlop. The family I believe were
in the Bakery business either having a Bakery or a Flour Mill near a river.
I am a little unsure of whether it was situated in Anglesey but I have a
feeling it may have been.
> >
> > The name Richard Williams has come up either being his brother or father
and the names linked with him are either Harriet Ann Sturt or Grace
Griffiths. They I believe may have had something to do with farming and
Horses.
> > I am sorry as this is all I seem to know and it is very sketchy.
> > Please if anyone has any information as to whee I go from here I would
appreciate it.
> >
> > Regards
> > Leanne Baulch
> > Cairns QLD AUSTRALIA
> >
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In the years you
are talking about, Wales was often referred to as Wales, England
I also have to add that it still is !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Americans call Great
Britain "England"...on the whole...so to ahve an ancestor noted as fm England but
had a Welsh accent...I would say he was born in Wales for sure!
SUSAN
CT. USA
Leanne,
its David again..........
My gt grandfather sailed to Brisbane, Queensland from London in December
1883..
He lived in Liverpool so I dont klnow if any vessels sail;ed from Liverpool
to take migrants to Australia..
Hope this helps,
David
in Wales.
I wonder if there is a connection to my John Parry and the 1841 John
Parry in Llanbadrig just posted. My John Parry appears not to have had a
child named John who survived childhood.
JOHN PARRY was born in Anelwog/Amelwog, Aberdaron, Caernarvonshire in
1726. He and wife ANNE THOMAS (1733-1812) moved to
Llanpatrick/Llanbadrig, Anglesey after their marriage at Rhosgyll Fawr,
Eifionydd, Caer.around 1770.
Tombstones in St. Eleth's Churchyard, Amlwch, Anglesey
B002
Sacred to the memory of ANNE THOMAS, daughter of JOHN THOMAS, Gentleman,
late of Rhosgell Fawr in the Parish of Llanarmon in Eifionydd/Evionydd,
Caernarvonshire, and late wife of JOHN PARRY at Tre-Gynrhyg Fawr in the
parish of Llan-Patrick,, who died on the 23rd day of June in the year
1812, in the 79th year of her age. Also, the above named JOHN PARRY late
tenant of Tre-gynrhyg in parish of Llanpatrick, who died on the 11th of
March 1825 in the 89th year of his age.
John Parry b: 1726 d: 1825Llanpatrick, Ang.--Anne Thomas b: 1733 d:
1812Llanpatrick, Ang., marriage at Rhosgyll Fawr, Eifionydd, Caer.around
1770.
SURVIVING CHILDREN OF JOHN PARRY AND ANNE THOMAS
Elizabeth Parry (b.1769-?) m.Tho. Rowland
Henry Parry (1778-?)
William Parry (b.1776-?)Mary Parry (1771-1865)
Christenings
23 March 1769 Elizabeth, dtr of John Parry and Anne Thomas (no address)
24 July 1774 William,son of John Parry and Anne Thomas (no address)
16 June 1776 William,son of John Parry and Anne Thomas (no address)
9 August 1778 Henry Parry son of John Parry and Anne Thomas Tregynrig
Fawr.
Elizabeth Parry married Thomas Rowlands on the 7 Feb 1796,
and had a son John bapt at Tregynrig on the 4 Sep
1796.
Stone B018 - St. Eleth's, Amlwch, Anglesey
Children of John Parry, Tregynrhig Fawr, by Anne, his wife. Three sons,
all died in childhood (1764 to 1776). John Parry d. 23 April 1764, age 4
years.; Hugh Parry d. 6 April 1764, age 1 year; and William Parry d.19
Jan. 1776, age 6 mos. There is also several Jones children here--John
Jones, d. 10 July 1791 age 5 years and John Jones d. 31 Mar. 1786, age
2yr, 6 mos. Their parents were William and Jane Jones; a William Jones
(wife Jane) is also buried there--he died 11 Oct. 1788, age 53 (born
1735). Also WILLIAM PARRY, formerly of Tregynrhig, and for many years
Master of the Liverpool and Dublin Sailing Packets, who died July
31st____(stone embedded in cement). [Who is William Parry?] All of these
had lived at Tre-Gynrhig, which was the estate of John Parry and his wife
Anne Thomas. Odd that John and Anne Thomas Parry were buried separately.
Betty Pace
Hi Nancy,
I found these entries so am sending them, for what they are worth, probably
no use to you.
Feom the 1841 census:-
Llanbadrig. 107/1361/2 page 10
Gongl Rhedyn
John Parry 30 Carrier all Yes
Jane " 20
Ifor Jones 60 Ind
Eliza Lewis 15 Farm servant.
From the 1881 census:-
Llanbadrig.
Gonglrodyn.
Ann Williams W 53 Charwoman
Owen " Son 12
both born Llanbadrig
Good hunting,
Dorothy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy Kerr" <nkerr(a)merlin.mb.ca>
To: <WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:01 PM
Subject: [ANG] Hughes Family
>
> I do have a census record from 1891 listing a Richard Hughes at Gongol
Redyn
(>
> Nancy
Hello all,
I am fairly new to this board - I didn't have anything to add about the Hughes messages so I didn't speak up, but now I'll jump in on the Williamses since we have several different Williams lines!
I would like to find any information on Richard Williams of Aberffraw parish. He married Mary Griffith of Cefn y Cwmmwd in Llangristiolus in 1761. I can't seem to find anything about Richard Williams' ancestry.
Also, I have been researching Evan Williams (1751-1833) of Bodwrog Isaf in Bodwrog parish. He is a son of William Prichard, a prominent figure in the Non-Conformity movement. Evan married Elinor Williams, the daughter of Richard Williams and Mary Griffith listed above.
Do any of these names fit into your lines? I'd love to share information!
Thanks,
Michelle Price
Missouri, USA
Hi Dorothy:
Thank you very much. They don't look familiar to me just now but one never
knows what will come up in the future.
Regards,
Nancy
-----Original Message-----
From: Dorothy Lloyd [mailto:dorothy@pheasantperch.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:45 AM
To: WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [ANG] Hughes Family
Hi Nancy,
I found these entries so am sending them, for what they are worth, probably
no use to you.
Feom the 1841 census:-
Llanbadrig. 107/1361/2 page 10
Gongl Rhedyn
John Parry 30 Carrier all Yes
Jane " 20
Ifor Jones 60 Ind
Eliza Lewis 15 Farm servant.
>From the 1881 census:-
Llanbadrig.
Gonglrodyn.
Ann Williams W 53 Charwoman
Owen " Son 12
both born Llanbadrig
Good hunting,
Dorothy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy Kerr" <nkerr(a)merlin.mb.ca>
To: <WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:01 PM
Subject: [ANG] Hughes Family
>
> I do have a census record from 1891 listing a Richard Hughes at Gongol
Redyn
(>
> Nancy
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