Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails. Additionally, administration tools will no longer be available to list administrators and mailing lists will be put into an archival state.
Administrators may save the emails in their list prior to March 2nd. After that, mailing list archives will remain available and searchable on RootsWeb
> from: Dave Wilson > subject: Re: [ANG] Trefor
> snipped:
> Sorry to complicate things for you but Trefor is partly in Llandrygarn and
> partly in Llechcynfarwydd.
Thanks both Maggie and Dave for the above information.
Regards,
Keith Roberts.
Hi Cyril,
I was also searching for my ggrandfathers WW1 records and found out the same, that they were destroyed. My grandmother however told me he served in the Black Watch, which I found unusual for a miner from the south Wales valleys, but apparently the Black Watch did recruit from all over. I wrote to the regiment, but was told that all records from WW1 had been archived centrally, and confirmed the bombing destruction.
Sorry, not much help really.
Good luck anyway
Dewi
WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com schrieb am 17.02.04 15:52:59:
>
> My grandfather, Richard Roberts, of Gof Du farm, Holyhead, served in the
> First World War, but details of his war record are sketchy.
>
> All I know is the following: Conscripted into the British Army, 1916, was
> shot in the elbow while marching with a group of soldiers in France during
> the battle of Flanders at Ypres. He was repatriated to England and treated
> at Sheffield military hospital.
>
> He was subsequently discharged and returned to farming in Holyhead.
>
> I understand British military records of WW1 are difficult to come by,
> owing to their destruction during the blitz in WW2.
>
> However I was wondering if anyone knows what regiment those conscripted in
> Holyhead would have served in, and any other information or weblinks which
> could prove useful
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Cyril Jones
> Melbourne
>
>
> ==============================
> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration
> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more.
> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237
>
--
Dewi Evans
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dewievans/index.html
______________________________________________________________________________
Ein Grund zum Feiern: Die PC Praxis ermittelt zwischen 10 grossen
Mailprovidern WEB.DE FreeMail als Testsieger http://f.web.de/?mc=021190
I have after a number of years of searching found my gggrandfather John Williams on the 1891 census living in Ty Coch, Cemaes Road, Amlwch and he gives his birthplace as Trefor. I am puzzled as to which parish Trefor belongs to. Bodedern appears to be the nearest to it but perhaps other knowledgable listers may have other ideas. I would appreciate some input on this.
In case anyone can identify with the family, here they are at 1891.
John Williams head widow age 67 (1824)Labourer born Trefor.
Mary Roberts Daughter widow age 33 born Amlwch
Ellen Roberts Gdaughter age 13 b Amlwch
John Roberts Gson (My Taid) age 9 b Amlwch.
Belief is that Mary`s husband John Roberts (deceased)lost his life at sea whilst travelling to Australia where he was presumably to set up a new life and send for the wife and kids!
Hope someone can help.
Regards and nice to be back again,
Keith Roberts.
Wonderful old maps of England, Wales, and Scotland
Covers maps from various old books and various date. Some of the maps
offered are linked to other web sites. Take your pick of various dates
of each county in each country.
http://go.to/genmaps
This map web site was an off-shoot of a valuable piece of free software
that is useful to read off-line the IGI files you turn up from batch
files numbers (LDS finds) and the Parloc parish locator software. You
can get to both by going to the web site of Ken Price, who sent me this
message on his EazyRead program to help with IGI files:
"Visit my site www.sdays.free-online.co.uk which was started at
HughWallis'
suggestion. I had written an early version of EazyRead and was wondering
how
to make it available he suggested the web site. Sorry if you are a Mac
user
it uses Visual Basic so PC based!
Regards,
Ken"
Betty Pace
Alun, if you gave me more info on your Jane Owen, I will try looking at it
for you. It sounds like a classic Welsh case of saying where you lived last
rather than where you were born. Happened a lot in Delyth's family. Dave
Hi Dave thankyou for the prompt reply. What I have is a Jane Owen nee Jones
in the 1901 census as being born in Llandfairwghimyn ? but in the in the 1881
census born in Llandegai and in the 1891 census born in Rhoscolyn. Trying to
establish if Llandfairnghornwy is either another name for Llandegai or
Rhoscolyn, Regards Alun.
I have found on the 1901 census a place called I believe LLanfairwghimyn
[think this is how it is written]. Can any lister confirm this is a place and if
so where it is. Thankyou Alun.
>From another source. May be very useful.
Betty Pace
A good way to access the IGI via Hugh Wallis`s website? Anyway, here it
is again.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/
Scroll down until you find Wales - and hit.
This gives you the page of Counties and Anglesey is at the top of the
list. Hitting Anglesey will take you to the alphabetical listing of all
the parishes and beside these are the batch numbers starting with a
letter. C is Christenings, M is Marriages, and P is a bit of a mixture of
Parish records and Bishops transcripts(I think!)
You will hit your relevant dates and a new window will appear for you to
input the name you are researching. Dont be too hasty in putting the name
in until the cursor appears automatically, and then submit search.
This will take you to the page of names. Hit the name you want and this
will then give you parents and information source. You can download the
information into a ged file if you wish.
______________________________
Would be grateful for any info on the parentage of Mary Bennett born c1713 Llanrhyddlad who married Humphrey Jones of Llynon Hall, Llanddeusant c1735. Griffith's "Pedigrees of Anglesey" states that her father was Edward Bennett, rector of Rector of Llanrhyddlad. Could her mother be Mary Joath, wife of Edward Bennett born c 1670 Trefeglwys, Montgomery?
However we have two family trees that state that Mary Bennett's parents were Gilbert Bennett and Jane Seal. I notice the LDS ancestral file has Edward Bennett & Mary Joath of Montgomeryshire with a son named Gilbert b1714 Trefeglwys. Does anyone know if he married a Jane Seal and had a daughter, Mary Bennett? The rest of our tree states that the parentage of Jane Seal is: Forgue (Frockock?) Seal & Margaret Jones < Michael Jones & Mary Culme < Lewis+ "Bishop" Jones & Mabel Ussher of Dublin.
Thanks for any help.
Bob Foran - Connecticut USA
By the most amazing stroke of luck, I think I've found the parents of my
John Jones on the 1871 census - William Jones b 1857 and Ellen Williams b
1855 living in Llanwenllwyfo. To confirm this, I'd like to find their
marriage. If the 1881 census entry was correct, the first child was born
about 1876. Can anyone tell me where I can look at the parish records
(presumably Llanwenllwyfo) for that time?
Regards
Linda
London St Pancras 1891
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~londonfreecen/http://FREECEN.rootsweb.com/
>From Rootsweb Review -- 11 Feb. 2004
Betty Pace
1b. EDITOR'S DESK. Missing from Home in the British Census
When searching for British ancestors in the censuses it is helpful
to know that its 1841 census was taken on 7 June, but from 1851 through
1931, this was done between 31 March and 8 April. Enumerators were
instructed to list only those persons who spent the night in each
household when the census was taken. Those traveling, at boarding
schools, or working away from home are listed where they spent the
night. A missing person in a family group in any of the census returns
might also be explained by the fact that the person was in the hospital,
in prison, or in service. Soldiers and sailors serving abroad are not
included in their home censuses.
You can explore "200 Years of the Census" and its 38 area monitors
covering England and Wales, which take into account that county
boundaries have changed just like the census itself. See what kind of
homes people had, the type of jobs, the move from the countryside to the
towns, the decline in the size of households and much more, plus
historical facts that have emerged from 200 years of census taking.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/bicentenary/bicent2.html
For additional information about utilizing census records wherever your
ancestors roamed, see "Census Related Sites Worldwide"
http://www.cyndislist.com/census2.htm
and "Census Records" in the RootsWeb's Guide to Tracing Family Trees:
http://rwguide.rootsweb.com/lesson9.htm
I have seen Jr and Sr used with anglicised surnames ie the Jones, Thomas &c
but not with "ap" surnames. The Survey of Carnarvon in 1352 in its intro
gives an example of two brothers both called David!
For examples, you could just search for junior or jr in Gwynedd Archives.
Ian
_________________________________________________________________
Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today!
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
In a message dated 11/02/2004 23:26:29 GMT Standard Time,
PHILIP(a)pbulkeley.freeserve.co.uk writes:
> Is it all his own research or is that what you have been led to believe!
I'm not sure what point is being made here, but Kenneth Williams (WillPerf)
is quite open about the fact that his World-Connect family tree contains a lot
of data which he has transcribed from Griffiths' Pedigrees.
There is no doubt that the work of putting the data researched by Griffiths'
(which was not all HIS own work as it came from historical genealogies) into a
Gedcom which could be uploaded into World-Connect is ALL Kenneth's own work.
I tried a similar project with Yoland Lloyd's History of Powys Fadog, but I
gave up after just a few pages because it was too complicated, so I am full of
admiration for Kenneth for his perseverance in turning most of Griffiths' into
a Gedcom.
There is no doubt that both the work of Griffiths and the work of WillPerf
have been of great help to Genealogists with connections to the gentry of north
west Wales. Both have been very dependent on the research of those who went
before them, and both have some faults, but this should not detract from the
value of their individual contribution to family history in north west Wales.
My family is all ag labs and dom servs, so I have yet to find a connection to
Griffiths / WillPerf, but I still admire them both for their contribution to
family history research in this part of the World
All the best
Alwyn
In a message dated 10/02/2004 11:42:50 GMT Standard Time, purrysburg(a)islc.net
writes:
> Thank you for additional information into the subject of Welsh naming
> patterns. Did those of the same first name have Jr. or Sr. or II or III
> following their names. I'd always thought that the JR. etc. ending were
> always father and son, but in some nationalities there could be uncles and
> nephews. Maybe brothers?
>
In the UK Roman numerals are generally only used in conjunction with titles,
Elizabeth II, IVth Duke of Wellington, etc. I suspect that their use in
America is a way of emphasising that it is a place where "All men are born equal",
so that John Jones can be "the third" too and not just King George.
The term jr, is mainly to be found in British burial records where a son of
the same name has died before his father; however the prevalence of the English
surname Junior and it's Welsh equivalent Vaughan (from fychan = little)
suggests that the term may have had a wider oral use than is found in documents.
Amongst Welsh people using patronymics, "jr" would suggest that a person had
the same given name as both his father and his grandson. To be Griffith ap
Griffith jr you would have to be the son of Griffith ap Griffith, which means
that your grandfather was also called Griffith.
All the best
Alwyn
Hullo List
I am back with more questions than answers as usual, however I am armed with a little more information.
The following details have been obtained from the 1881, 1891,and 1901 Glamorgan Census and my GM Marriage certificate.
Griffith ROBERTS b Holyhead, Anglesey, c 1849, Occupation Stone Mason.
I have looked up the online 1851 Census for Holyhead and located two Griffith ROBERTS as follows;
London Road Evan ROBERTS 32 Slater b CAE Penmorfa
Ellin wife 29 b CAE Llanstumdwy
Ellin 9 b CAE Tudweiliog
Jane 6 b CAE Tudweiliog
Griffith 4 b AGY Holyhead
John 1 b AGY Holyhead
The second is:
Thomas Street Robert ROBERTS 30 Shoemaker b AGY Holyhead
Margaret wife 37 b CAE Tudweilog
Robert 8 b CAE Penmorfa
Margaret 7 b MER Ffestiniog
Griffith 2 b AGY Holyhead
Griffith married Elizabeth (from FreeBMD possible JONES or ROBERTS) b Llandwrog CAE c 1844, in c 1869. and their children are,
Margaret ROBERTS Daughter b c 1870 CAE Wales
Jane ROBERTS Daughter b c 1874 Ffestiniog MER, (my Grandmother)
Elizabeth ROBERTS Daughter b c 1880 Llanwonno, GLA
Ellen ROBERTS Daughter b c 1882 Llansamlet GLA
Ceridwen ROBERTS daughter b c 1888 Llansamlet GLA
FreeBMD indicates that there are a possible 13 Jane ROBERTS born in Ffestiniog for the years 1872 to 1875, pretty daunting.
I hope that some one recognises these names and we can progress our search together.
Any further help will be gratefully received.
John
Esperance Western Australia
Elida,
I've never seen a Jr. or Sr. added to a Welsh name. I have only seen that
with relatives in the US.
Arlene
> Arlene,
>
> Thank you for additional information into the subject of Welsh naming
> patterns. Did those of the same first name have Jr. or Sr. or II or III
> following their names. I'd always thought that the JR. etc. ending were
> always father and son, but in some nationalities there could be uncles and
> nephews. Maybe brothers?
>
> Thanks again,
> Elida
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "arlene Berta" <aberta(a)surewest.net>
> To: <WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [ANG] English and Welsh naming patterns
>
>
>> Elida,
>> Another naming pattern that was used was: if a child died, the next
>> child
>> of that sex was given that name. It had me crazy until I found this
>> out.
>> I searched for Richard Griffith, the first born son, died at 16, next
>> son
>> was named Richard. Until the 1891 census was released, I did not know
>> that fact.
>>
>> Arlene Berta
>>
>>
>> > Elida,
>> > Here is a message I save on English and Welsh naming patterns.
>> >
>> >> English and Welsh, 1700 - 1879.
>> >>
>> >> First daughter - named after the mother's mother (maternal
>> grandmother)
>> >> Second daughter - named after the mother's father's mother
>> >> Third daughter - named after the mother
>> >> Fourth daughter - named after the mother's oldest sister
>> >> First son - named after the father's father
>> >> Second son was named after the mother's father
>> >> Third son - named after the father
>> >> Fourth son - named after the father's eldest brother.
>> >>
>> >> Exceptions apply if there was a duplication of a given name. In that
>> >> case the practice was to skip to the next name on the list.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ==============================
>> > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration
>> > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more.
>> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ==============================
>> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration
>> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more.
>> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237
>>
>
>
> ==============================
> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration
> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more.
> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237
>
>
>
Elida,
I've never seen a Jr. or Sr. added to a Welsh name. I have only seen that
with relatives in the US.
Arlene
> Arlene,
>
> Thank you for additional information into the subject of Welsh naming
> patterns. Did those of the same first name have Jr. or Sr. or II or III
> following their names. I'd always thought that the JR. etc. ending were
> always father and son, but in some nationalities there could be uncles and
> nephews. Maybe brothers?
>
> Thanks again,
> Elida
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "arlene Berta" <aberta(a)surewest.net>
> To: <WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [ANG] English and Welsh naming patterns
>
>
>> Elida,
>> Another naming pattern that was used was: if a child died, the next
>> child
>> of that sex was given that name. It had me crazy until I found this
>> out.
>> I searched for Richard Griffith, the first born son, died at 16, next
>> son
>> was named Richard. Until the 1891 census was released, I did not know
>> that fact.
>>
>> Arlene Berta
>>
>>
>> > Elida,
>> > Here is a message I save on English and Welsh naming patterns.
>> >
>> >> English and Welsh, 1700 - 1879.
>> >>
>> >> First daughter - named after the mother's mother (maternal
>> grandmother)
>> >> Second daughter - named after the mother's father's mother
>> >> Third daughter - named after the mother
>> >> Fourth daughter - named after the mother's oldest sister
>> >> First son - named after the father's father
>> >> Second son was named after the mother's father
>> >> Third son - named after the father
>> >> Fourth son - named after the father's eldest brother.
>> >>
>> >> Exceptions apply if there was a duplication of a given name. In that
>> >> case the practice was to skip to the next name on the list.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ==============================
>> > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration
>> > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more.
>> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ==============================
>> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration
>> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more.
>> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237
>>
>
>
> ==============================
> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration
> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more.
> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237
>
>
>
I have researched back to Rowland's son John Petters' baptism in Bethlehem Chapel Llanbadrig 1817 but have nothing on Rowland or earlier.
Would be glad to share any info.
Richard Roberts
Anglesey
Alwyn gave examples of children of a Humphrey Morris all having "Humphrey
Morris" as a sort of surname. Earlier than the late 19th century, surnames
might look like second christian names. One example is William Williams
alias William Thomas Williams of Bangor. William Williams, the son of
Thomas Williams. Their family was amongst the first to adopt the surname
Williams in the early 17th century.
Surnames are an interesting conundrum as strings of aps were replaced by
strings of names (some of which might have been left out so a Margaret vch
Evan David might be written as Margaret David or Margaret Evan David.)
This process took place over a number of centuries, usually from the top
down unless family members moved to England or abroad. I don't know any
examples of patronymics lasting more than the first generation in colonies
like Utica, NY, or anywhere else but other listers might know of some.
As well as patronymics, families may have employed nicknames or house names,
in some cases only for a generation, in other cases they became very much
fixed.
The whole subject of Welsh surnames is very well dealt with in First Stages
in Welsh Ancestry by Sheila Rowlands, published by the NLW.
Ian
London SW9
_________________________________________________________________
It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today!
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger