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I have information on my gr grandparents Henry Roberts b1810 and
Jane Born 1815. Both were born at Bodedern. Their children: John H
( my grandfather) born 23 Aug 1841. Henry 1836-8, Margaret 1844
Thomas ? and Morris ?
I have a letter written by Ada Davies in 1823. She was a daughter of
a distant cousin "Hugh" and was adopted by Thomas from above list.
She writes about my distant relatives and mentions some of them
buried at Bodedern and also someone buried at Peniel near Llanerchymedd.
We are traveling to Wales next week from US and is it going to be
possible to find the buriel sites and hopefully some more information
on my distant relatives.
Marv Roberts
Further to my previous enquiry about a Michael Hughes of a Plas in Anglesey, who died in 1781 and whose wife was called Jonnet Hughes, I have been told by Glyn of the Anglesey Lookup that there is no Michael Hughes who died in 1781 in the Pedigrees of Anglesey and Caernarfonshire families.
However, while looking through the Land Tax Assessments for Llanfairmathafarneithaf at Llangefni Archives, I found a Michael Hughes living at Plas in Llanfair ME during the 1760s, but in 1771 it was someone called Williams who live there. I intend to visit Llangefni again in the near future, but if anybody can throw further light on whether this is the same one, as seems likely, and establish the link to his niece Anne Davies alias Parry of Llannerchymedd, who is my ancestor, I would be very grateful.
For Brien, Don't know how old you are but maybe your great grandfather might be on the 1901 census. There are only 3 Richard Matthews on 1901 Anglesey.
A butcher aged 52 living in Llanallgo (Moelfre) his son aged 13 and a Calvanistic Minister aged 38. If any of these fit let me know and I will get you more information. Dave Wilson, Anglesey
Arlene
I have the birth certificate for my ggg grandfather William MADREN born 1844
Liverpool( not Amlwch as 1851 census states).
His parents William MADREN born 1820 Amlwch and Harriet JONES were married
in Liverpool in 1843 ,then they obviously moved back to Anglesea for the
1851 census.
So I am now on records prior to 1837 .
I have found my ggggg grandfathers death
freebmd deaths Sep 1844
MADREN Francis Anglesea 27 244
But that will not give his birthplace which is what I am looking for.
I need to view the 1841 census to see Francis MADREN and his second wife
Catherine but it is in two parts.
Does anyone know how to find out which of these is the one for Amlwch
1841 HO 107/1358-1360
1841 HO 107/1361-1362
Thanks
Carol Braithwaite
NZ
> Hi Carol,
> You are on the right track ordering parish records and bishop transcripts.
> Have you also ordered the BMD's for the area? It now gets down to the
> tediousness of going through records, looking for family members births,
> deaths and marriages.
>
> Where on Anglesey are they from, it would help to know that information to
> guide you further.
>
> Busy moving,
> Arlene Berta
> California
>
>
>
> > I was convinced My ggg grandmother Harriet was wrongly listed as Karnet
> > MADREN on the 1851 census.I have checked the census and can verify that
> > the name is actually Harriet so the question is where to go from here.
> > All the Angelsea MADREN/MADRON or various spellings from the IGI are
> > related to me.
> >
> > I can go as far back as 1800,s using the IGI but where do I go from
> > there? I tried ordered parish records/bishop transcripts for Amlwch from
> > the local LDS but the volounteer who helped me ended up ordering
> > printouts which are useless, so I will have to re-order.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Carol
> > NZ
>
> ______________________________
Lynda
Caergeiliog is a village on the main road through Anglesey. It is in the Parish of Llanfair yn Neubwll. I take it that you have looked at the Parish of Bodedern and Llanfair yn Neubwll - then you could try Llanfihangel yn nhowyn, Ceirchiog and Llanynghenedl which are all nearby parishes.
Not much I'm afraid but it might give you a lead
Sharon
Valley
Anglesey
Just a reminder that the 4th North Wales Family History Fair will be held this coming Saturday at the Llandudno Conference Centre. Gwynedd FHS will have their usual stands for Arfon, Dwyfor, Anglesey and Meirionnydd with members ready to help where possible. I'll be on duty on the Arfon stand so hope to see lots of you there.
Best regards
Yvonne
Gwynedd FHS
In a message dated 11/09/2003 22:59:26 GMT Daylight Time, aberta(a)surewest.net
writes:
> Carol,
> The death cert will give you the age at time of death and the place of
> birth. It will at least say Anglesey, Caenarfon, etc.. Mine all have the
> parish listed too.
>
It is only certificates for deaths after 1969 that the deceased's address,
place and date of birth and the maiden name if a married or widowed woman are
included on death certificates for England and Wales. Prior to 1969 the
information given is (or should be)
Full name of the deceased. Date and place of death. Age of the deceased.
Cause of death. Occupation of the deceased or name and occupation of the husband
if it was a woman who was married or widowed. Name, relationship to the
deceased and address of the informant. Date of registration.
Regards
Alwyn
In a message dated 11/09/2003 21:09:43 GMT Daylight Time, carolbr(a)xtra.co.nz
writes:
> MADREN Francis Anglesea 27 244
> But that will not give his birthplace which is what I am looking for.
It may not be the same Francis as yours, but in 1795 there was a Francis
Madryn who was a Sergeant in the Loyal Paris Mountain Volunteers, a local militia
company formed at the time of the Napolionic Wars. See:
http://www.rhosybolbach.freeserve.co.uk/LPMV.htm
All the best
Alwyn
Carol,
The death cert will give you the age at time of death and the place of
birth. It will at least say Anglesey, Caenarfon, etc.. Mine all have the
parish listed too.
Do you have a copy of the marriage cert? What parish? If the church is
still there you could have them do a look up.
Arlene
>
> Arlene
>
> I have the birth certificate for my ggg grandfather William MADREN born
> 1844 Liverpool( not Amlwch as 1851 census states).
> His parents William MADREN born 1820 Amlwch and Harriet JONES were
> married in Liverpool in 1843 ,then they obviously moved back to Anglesea
> for the 1851 census.
>
> So I am now on records prior to 1837 .
>
> I have found my ggggg grandfathers death
> freebmd deaths Sep 1844
> MADREN Francis Anglesea 27 244
> But that will not give his birthplace which is what I am looking for.
>
> I need to view the 1841 census to see Francis MADREN and his second wife
> Catherine but it is in two parts.
> Does anyone know how to find out which of these is the one for Amlwch
>
> 1841 HO 107/1358-1360
> 1841 HO 107/1361-1362
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Carol Braithwaite
> NZ
>
>
>
>
>> Hi Carol,
>> You are on the right track ordering parish records and bishop
>> transcripts. Have you also ordered the BMD's for the area? It now
>> gets down to the tediousness of going through records, looking for
>> family members births, deaths and marriages.
>>
>> Where on Anglesey are they from, it would help to know that
>> information to guide you further.
>>
>> Busy moving,
>> Arlene Berta
>> California
>>
>>
>>
>> > I was convinced My ggg grandmother Harriet was wrongly listed as
>> Karnet MADREN on the 1851 census.I have checked the census and can
>> verify that the name is actually Harriet so the question is where to
>> go from here. All the Angelsea MADREN/MADRON or various spellings
>> from the IGI are related to me.
>> >
>> > I can go as far back as 1800,s using the IGI but where do I go from
>> there? I tried ordered parish records/bishop transcripts for Amlwch
>> from the local LDS but the volounteer who helped me ended up
>> ordering printouts which are useless, so I will have to re-order.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Carol
>> > NZ
>>
>> ______________________________
Dear Carol,
You are in a similar position to me with a relatively unusual name (mine
being Goodman). I have basically undertaken a one-name study for NW Wales
for Goodman and suggest you could do the same usefully. The archives at
Caernarfon and Ruthun have comprehensive name indexes as do Bangor
University of Wales library (indexed pretty comprehensively on archives
hub). The National Library of Wales has a number of on-line indexes which
although temperamental are useful once got to grips with. I have pluged him
before (and reiterate that I have nothing at all to do with him apart from
being a very satisfied customer!) but Dafydd Hayes Wales marriage index (c/o
Clwyd FHS) is invaluable for (a) these rarer surnames and (b) marriages
where both parties are known and an approximate date but not place. (A
caveat being that he doesn't cover civil marriages in the registry office).
Note that the NLW ISYS index provides alternative spellings for what you are
researching (on a "tile down" menu) but the Gwynedd Archives catalogue
doesn't so for "Bodrydd" one has to type "Bodrydd" or "Bodreeth" or
"Bodrith" &c even "Bodnudd"! For "Sorton", try "Sorton" and "Gorton"!
One thing that you should be aware of at 1800 is that people were still
adopting fixed surnames in NW Wales although most of these were patronymic.
I am conscious of the fact that my "Goodman Hen", the first I have a record
of in 1768, might be the first one of that fixed surname of his line.
Anglesey Goodmans and Madryns were, at one time, fixed firmly in the county
set or what has been called "the squirarchy". It is not infeasible that a
servant or close companion take on that surname as a mark of respect,
affection, affectation (?! Hehehe) or association. Two examples of this are
the (Oliver and Thomas) Cromwell family who were originally (a couple of
generations before) Welsh and took their master (Elizabeth's minister)
Cromwell's name. Closer to home, an eighteenth century (African or Indian)
servant of the Ystumllyn family was known as Jack Black or Jack Ystumllyn.
Of course, also the land and house owners were called Mr(s) Brynkir or Mr(s)
Madryn, Mr(s) Dolben, Bodwrdda, Cadlan, &c. To this day, people are often
know by their house or farm names as much as by their occupations or habits.
That is whether the house is a little terrace or a massive farm!
Other easily searchable on-line indexes are PROCAT at the PRO website and
not forgetting Google, Altavista, Yahoo &c, it is funny what might turn up
sometimes where least expected and a lot of the links you find this way are
to on-line databases eg from Family History Societies.
Online databases are opening up all the time, one that springs to mind being
the Old Bailey records.
*So eg from Gwynedd Archives:
*
*XQS/1653+54/34
*
* 1653 July 15 PETITION of Elizabeth Rushen, widow,Conway [Conwy] to Mr.
Madren and the rest of *the bench re money to pay for her journey with her 2
children to London to see what is due to her *after her husband, a soldier,
was killed by a corporal. Appended: No answer.
*
*XD2/15748
*
* 1824 Feb. 27 LETTER: Elizabeth Madryn, Amlwch, to Lord Newborough, asking
for the £9.13.0d. *which his Lordships late father owed her late son
William.
*
*And 146 other references to "Madryn"
*
*And 23 references to "Madrin"
*
Yours,
Dr Ian Thompson MRCP
London
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I have been researching my THOMAS and my HUGHES connection for the past 5
years now......however, I feel I am at a point where I need to find out more
about Ellen HUGHES,nee JONES born in LLanfairNeubwll.....so it states on the
1881 Census for "BrynEithin" Bodedern, Anglesey Wales.Ellen was married to
Thomas HUGHES my Gr-Grandfather, her age on the 1881 Census was listed as 32
years old and her first name was spelled "Ellinor". The 1891 Census for the
same abode "BryEithin", Bodedern, Anglesey Wales had her listed age 40 years
old and where born..Caergeigiog.On the 1901 Census , she is not listed at
all there. Would some of the listers please help me with some guidance and
direction........Where do I look for more on her? I have just recently
confirmed that my Gr-Grandfather was indeed born Thomas THOMAS son of Hugh
THOMAS and then later became Thomas HUGHES. I feel Ellen HUGHES,nee JONES is
a complete unknown here. Any help would be appreciated. I have been
researching the microfilms of "Llechylched" at the Family Research
Center.....but can't find a marriage or anything about Ellen HUGHES,nee
JONES. Please If someone can help.
Thank you so much.
Lynda
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John Edwards from Sydney is still here !!! Alive and well, and wish I was there digging up family info.
Cheers !
-----Original Message-----
From: AlwynapHuw(a)aol.com [SMTP:AlwynapHuw@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2003 2:04
To: WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [ANG] Is anyone out there?
In a message dated 10/09/2003 07:42:22 GMT Daylight Time,
linda(a)activeservice.co.uk writes:
> Unfortunately this list doesn't seem to
> have anyone with historial/local knowledge and/or someone who can provide
> suggestions/sources/lookups like some of the other better subscribed Welsh
> mailing lists. If this statement is not correct, is there anyone with the
> 1891 census of Anglesey who could do a lookup for me? I can reciprocate with
> a wealth of London research sources.
>
I don't think that your statement is completely correct. It is true that the
number of subscribers to the lists that cover the rural parts of Wales have
fewer subscribers than lists for other areas, because fewer people have lived
and do live in these areas because of their rural nature. However all of the
rural Welsh lists have a members with good local history and family history
knowledge, most of whom are extremely generous with their willingness to help
others. There are also some members in places such as Canada, the US, Australia and
other parts of the world who have collected local information which they
share readily on list.
July and August tend to be quiet months as many of the locals are either
enjoying holidays or entertaining children and grandchildren during the long
school break. With the schools having reopened last week I'm sure that list traffic
will increase a bit over the coming weeks.
As I have been away for he past two weeks I missed the beginning of this
thread, and I have not yet had the opportunity to look at the list messages I
missed during my absence. So I haven't yet seen the original request for help. I
have a subscription to the 1891 census on Ancestry, and will be happy to search
it for you if you send the details.
All the best
Alwyn
In a message dated 9/10/2003 2:38:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
edwardsj(a)bigpond.com writes:
John Edwards from Sydney is still here !!! Alive and well, and wish I was
there digging up family info.
Wish you were where? I am in the states if you need any diggin here or if you
are referring to the UK.....I'd be diggin right along next to ya!
Pamela
Hi Alwyn
Please rest assured I meant no offence to you or other list members - I
think I am just so exasperated in trying to find my Jones family in a place
where the name seems to originate and with the limited amount of time I can
devote.
Much as I enjoy my family history hobby, it can be terribly frustrating when
dealing with such common names - 3 separate Jones in various parts of Wales,
1 x Jones in London; 2 x Williams in Wales; 2 x Roberts in Wales; Brown in
London - hence my commitment to Freecen, albeit in London.
Thanks for the offer of a lookup on Ancestry - another kind lister made the
same offer - although she has been unable to find any entries so far, there
should hopefully be :
William Jones b 1857.....or aged 34 in 1891.....he was a miner
Ellen Jones b 1856.............35..maiden name Williams
Rowland Jones b 1882.....or aged 9 in 1891
William Jones b 1885.............6
Mary Jones b 1888.............3
Grace Jones b 1891............zero, or ? months
All the above were born in Pensarn according to the 1901 census.
There may also be a John Jones ....aged 14 or 15, born October 1876 in
Tynywaen, Llaneilian (I know he went to Menai Bridge Grammer School, but
don't know at what age this would end). There was also a William Jones born
about 1880 - who died young - before 1885 I guess, as another child was
named William.
All the best
Linda
London St Pancras 1891
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~londonfreecen/http://FREECEN.rootsweb.com/
In a message dated 10/09/2003 21:15:51 GMT Daylight Time,
linda(a)activeservice.co.uk writes:
> Thanks for the offer of a lookup on Ancestry - another kind lister made the
> same offer - although she has been unable to find any entries so far, there
> should hopefully be :
> William Jones b 1857.....or aged 34 in 1891.....he was a miner
> Ellen Jones
Your family were hiding in Birkenhead at the time of the 1891 census, which
explains why they couldn't be found in Anglesey.
Jones, William
County: Cheshire Civil Parish: Birkenhead ED: 9 Eccl. Parish: Holy Trinity
Piece: RG12/2879 Folio: 107 Page: 31 Sched: 205 Address: 49 Rowland
Street Birkenhead
William Jones Head Married 34 General Labourer Anglesey Llanwanclwyf
Ellen Jones Wife Married 36 Anglesey Llanwanclwyf
John Jones Son 14 General Labourer, Anglesey Llanelian
Rowland Jones Son 8 Scholar Anglesey Llanelian
William Jones Son 5 Anglesey Llanelian
Mary Jones daughter 3 Anglesey Llanelian
Grace Jones daughter 11 months Anglesey Llanelian
The Llanwanclwyf is quite clear on the image, I suspect that it is probably
an English enumerator's best shot at Llanwenllwyfo.
All the best
Alwyn
In a message dated 10/09/2003 07:42:22 GMT Daylight Time,
linda(a)activeservice.co.uk writes:
> Unfortunately this list doesn't seem to
> have anyone with historial/local knowledge and/or someone who can provide
> suggestions/sources/lookups like some of the other better subscribed Welsh
> mailing lists. If this statement is not correct, is there anyone with the
> 1891 census of Anglesey who could do a lookup for me? I can reciprocate with
> a wealth of London research sources.
>
I don't think that your statement is completely correct. It is true that the
number of subscribers to the lists that cover the rural parts of Wales have
fewer subscribers than lists for other areas, because fewer people have lived
and do live in these areas because of their rural nature. However all of the
rural Welsh lists have a members with good local history and family history
knowledge, most of whom are extremely generous with their willingness to help
others. There are also some members in places such as Canada, the US, Australia and
other parts of the world who have collected local information which they
share readily on list.
July and August tend to be quiet months as many of the locals are either
enjoying holidays or entertaining children and grandchildren during the long
school break. With the schools having reopened last week I'm sure that list traffic
will increase a bit over the coming weeks.
As I have been away for he past two weeks I missed the beginning of this
thread, and I have not yet had the opportunity to look at the list messages I
missed during my absence. So I haven't yet seen the original request for help. I
have a subscription to the 1891 census on Ancestry, and will be happy to search
it for you if you send the details.
All the best
Alwyn
Hello, There are people out there. I saw the message about the 1891 census,
but I run a busy tourist attraction on the island and am really only able to
cope late September to March, hence no reply. I am the co-ordinator for the
Freecen project for Anglesey and have copies of all the fiche, unfortunately
the Beaumaris piece transcription along with others has stalled. I have the
images on cd and could let you have a copy, especially if you felt like
transcribing some or all of the piece. Later on I can look them up for you.
It is an ambition to have all the census transribed for the island I have a
fair copy which is still being worked on for 1901. Can easily look that up
any time its an xcel file.
May not be much help. Best wishes Dave Wilson, Stone Science
> Hi Linda
>
> I have also requested help from the list re 1891 census with no response.
> If as I imagine you are living in the London area I think that the
> 1891census for Anglesey is in the Family Records Centre in
> Islington.Certainly other Welsh counties are there.
>
> Cheers Maureen
> Montgomeryshire.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Linda Jones <linda(a)activeservice.co.uk>
> To: <WLS-ANGLESEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [ANG] Is anyone out there?
>
>
> > Hi Pamela
> >
> > Yes - your mail is getting through. Unfortunately this list doesn't seem
> to
> > have anyone with historial/local knowledge and/or someone who can
provide
> > suggestions/sources/lookups like some of the other better subscribed
Welsh
> > mailing lists. If this statement is not correct, is there anyone with
the
> > 1891 census of Anglesey who could do a lookup for me? I can reciprocate
> with
> > a wealth of London research sources.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > London St Pancras 1891
> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~londonfreecen/
> > http://FREECEN.rootsweb.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Message has been scanned by Webshield
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> >
> >
> >
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If this statement is not correct, is there anyone with the
1891 census of Anglesey who could do a lookup for me?
the 1891 for Amlwch is on line... for free on amlwchdata.com ... also some
people have paid for access to the 1891 for England and Wales. You could
subscribe too, on ancestry.co.uk....I have this access currently but not for much
longer....am willing to do a lookup if you contact me off list.
sue