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Would the denominational newspapers have more information than the actual
marriage record? The marriage record I have for my gr-gr-grandfather hasn't
helped much in searching for his parents/siblings. Thank you.
Linda (Florida)
In a message dated 8/14/2002 3:25:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
AlwynapHuw(a)aol.com writes:
> Did they marry in a chapel? If so there might be a record of the marriage in
>
> one of the denominational newspapers which were very popular at the time.
> Many of these are preserved in the National Library of Wales.
>
> All the best
>
> Alwyn
>
>
>
>
>
Hello Marge,
The simplest first step would be to try and find them in the 1891 and 1901
census (I am told, unofficially, that this will be back on-line by
mid-October) and hope that there is more specific information about place of
birth in them.
Do you know when and where William Died? An obituary in a local Newspaper may
give some family background details.
Have you asked around the family? This sort of information sometimes remains
part of the "folk memory" of some branches after it has been forgotten by
others, so a distant cousin might know where in Wales he came from.
There is a Liverpool Welsh Heritage Society, who may be able to guide you to
archives etc specific to the people of Wales who moved to Liverpool. I only
have a phone number as contact for them + 44 151 652 6353, (other listers
might be able to supply an address or e-mail)
Did they marry in a chapel? If so there might be a record of the marriage in
one of the denominational newspapers which were very popular at the time.
Many of these are preserved in the National Library of Wales.
All the best
Alwyn
In a message dated 14/08/2002 18:32:48 GMT Daylight Time, bmpage(a)sympatico.ca
writes:
> Going by the 1878 marriage certificate I have for my Ggrandfather "Owen
> Jones" and his wife Margaret Durning.. they were married in Birkenhead. The
> certificate tells me that Owen was 33 years old at the time...which means
> he was born in 1845...in Wales. No mention of where in Wales.
> I also have the 1881 census for them in Birkenhead, Cheshire. That year
> they had one (1) child... Mary E. who was my Grandmother. Owen was listed
> as Occ.. a "Driller"
> The marriage certificate also tells me that Owen's Father was >John
> Jones< a ship carpenter also born in Wales.
>
> I looked in the LDS site and found (4) Owen Jones 's born in Wales in
> 1845.They are listed as follows.
> (1) Christened June 22/1845 Born in Llanberis, Caerrnarvon,Wales.
> Mother was listed as Jane <<
>
> (2) Christened July 8/1845 Born in Llanbeblig, Caernarvon. Mother was Anne<
>
> (3) Christened Sept 21/1845 Born in Llanddeiniolen, Carerrarvon. Mother was
> Jane<<
> (4) Christened July 23/1845 Born in Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales ..Mother was
> Jane<<
> Now, I don't know where to go or how to find out more about each of these
> Owen's.or his Father John.... How can I investigate to see which one
> married Margaret Durning in Dec..1878..and which one is Mary E's Father.
> I am equally curious about his Father John and his Mother who ever she is.
> I am so confused at this point on who to ask or write to.
> Most people you talk to need an address to pull out the information . AND I
> don't have such a thing for Owen or his parents when they lived in Wales.
> Help... I'm really frustrated..
>
> Regards
> Margie
Hello everyone,
I have been searching for my GG's and my GGrandfather for quite awhile now and it seems I need some expert advice here. Can anyone help. My problem is as follows.
Going by the 1878 marriage certificate I have for my Ggrandfather "Owen Jones" and his wife Margaret Durning.. they were married in Birkenhead. The certificate tells me that Owen was 33 years old at the time...which means he was born in 1845...in Wales. No mention of where in Wales.
I also have the 1881 census for them in Birkenhead, Cheshire. That year they had one (1) child... Mary E. who was my Grandmother. Owen was listed as Occ.. a "Driller"
The marriage certificate also tells me that Owen's Father was >John Jones< a ship carpenter also born in Wales.
I looked in the LDS site and found (4) Owen Jones 's born in Wales in 1845.They are listed as follows.
(1) Christened June 22/1845 Born in Llanberis, Caerrnarvon,Wales.
Mother was listed as Jane <<
(2) Christened July 8/1845 Born in Llanbeblig, Caernarvon. Mother was Anne<
(3) Christened Sept 21/1845 Born in Llanddeiniolen, Carerrarvon. Mother was Jane<<
(4) Christened July 23/1845 Born in Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales ..Mother was Jane<<
Now, I don't know where to go or how to find out more about each of these Owen's.or his Father John.... How can I investigate to see which one married Margaret Durning in Dec..1878..and which one is Mary E's Father. I am equally curious about his Father John and his Mother who ever she is.
I am so confused at this point on who to ask or write to.
Most people you talk to need an address to pull out the information . AND I don't have such a thing for Owen or his parents when they lived in Wales.
Help... I'm really frustrated..
Regards
Margie Ontario Canada bmpage(a)sympatico.ca
Hi Susan,
Your pages wouldn't have picked up on the name OWEN PARRY WILLIAMS,
would they? He married the sister of my grandmother. I think they must
have been married in Liverpool because that is where the parents (Geo.
Morgan Hughes and Mary Jane Williams) moved around 1902 after having all
of their children in Amlwch..
Catherine Gertrude ("Gertie") Hughes (b.1888Amlwch-d.1971) m. on 7 March
1917 Owen PARRY Williams (b. 1 July 1888-d6 Jan. 1965). Their children
were: .David John (b.1918) and Mry Gwendolen (b.1919).
It is the belief of a family researcher for this line that Owen Parry
Williams was originally from Amlwch also.
Betty Pace
<you wrote>
From: WELSH53(a)aol.com
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:35:33 EDT
Subject: [ANG] Amlwch 1891 Census
Hi everyone
I have made copies of pages of the 1891 Amlwch Census that contain the
name
PARRY.
It's about 35 pages..... about 1/3 of the census.....at a guess....
If anyone would like a look-up on these pages for THEIR ancestor, pls
email
me.... I am sending the pages on to my 4th cousin next week......
SUSAN
Connecticut
USA
Betty,
I'm going to forward your message to my cousin Wyn Thomas in Swansea. Wyn is a documentary film produce with BBC and should know something about the book. It's worth a shot.
Arlene
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Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:25 AM
Subject: [ANG] Lewys Dwnn - genealogy source
I found a non-circulating book (two I think) in my library and it
contained an article on one of my ancestors (Pulestons). The article
offered as a source someone named Lewys Dwnn. Is anyone familiar with
this writer?
The book that had this article (quoting Lewys Dwnn) on my Pulestons was:
"Annals and Antiquities of the Counties and County Families of Wales."
By Thomas Nicholas, M.A., Ph.D, F.G.S., etc. (an editor, I suspect)
2nd Issue, Rev. and much enlarged in two volumes
Vol. I
Pub'd first in 1872, then 1875, and now 1991 by Genealogical Publishing
Co., Inc
Second question--
Is this book widely accepted as authoritative? I had the feeling that it
was a compilation of a lot of self-written genealogies. It was very
interesting to me, especially since it said:
"Robert Puleston, Esq., of Emral [Flintshire], who m. Lowri, dau. of
Gruffydd Vychan Ap Gruffydd of Rhuddalt (sister of Owen Glyndwr).
Robert became a strong supporter of the insurrection headed by the heroic
Owen, his brother-in-law, in consequence of which his estates were
imperiled." This was the father of my Elin/Eleanor Puleston who married
Goronwy Ap Ieuan Ap Einion Ap Gruffydd of Gwynfrun. Either she or her
father (Robert) was born in 1358.
I can't say that I really recommend this book(s) since it doesn't appear
to have great organization--no index that is workable. You almost
stumble into things.
Betty Pace
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Hi everyone
I have made copies of pages of the 1891 Amlwch Census tha tcontain the name
PARRY.
It's about 35 pages..... about 1/3 of the census.....at a guess....
If anyone would like a look-up on these pages for THEIR ancestor, pls email
me.... I am sending the pages on to my 4th cousin next week......
SUSAN
Connecticut
USA
I found a non-circulating book (two I think) in my library and it
contained an article on one of my ancestors (Pulestons). The article
offered as a source someone named Lewys Dwnn. Is anyone familiar with
this writer?
The book that had this article (quoting Lewys Dwnn) on my Pulestons was:
"Annals and Antiquities of the Counties and County Families of Wales "
By Thomas Nicholas, M.A., Ph.D, F.G.S., etc. (an editor, I suspect)
2nd Issue, Rev. and much enlarged in two volumes
Vol. I
Pub'd first in 1872, then 1875, and now 1991 by Genealogical Publishing
Co., Inc
Second question--
Is this book widely accepted as authoritative? I had the feeling that it
was a compilation of a lot of self-written genealogies. It was very
interesting to me, especially since it said:
"Robert Puleston, Esq., of Emral [Flintshire], who m. Lowri, dau. of
Gruffydd Vychan Ap Gruffydd of Rhuddalt (sister of Owen Glyndwr).
Robert became a strong supporter of the insurrection headed by the heroic
Owen, his brother-in-law, in consequence of which his estates were
imperiled." This was the father of my Elin/Eleanor Puleston who married
Goronwy Ap Ieuan Ap Einion Ap Gruffydd of Gwynfrun. Either she or her
father (Robert) was born in 1358.
I can't say that I really recommend this book(s) since it doesn't appear
to have great organization--no index that is workable. You almost
stumble into things.
Betty Pace
A kind and considerate person sent this 1851 Census look-up to me, regarding
my Hugh THOMAS family...so thought I would pass it on to see if anyone has a
connection to them.
The following appear on PRO film no. HO 107 2520 folio 321
Hugh Thomas aged 30 Ag. lab b. Ceirchiog
Elizabeth Thomas wife age 30 b.Llangadwaladr
Hugh Thomas age 6 b. Llechylched.
John Thomas age 5m b. Llechylched
Also on the same folio was Ann Thomas ,widow, aged 64 b.Llanbeulan.
Am pretty sure that this is the right family....now have to see what the
connection to Thomas HUGHES is.....I still believe that it might of been Hugh
THOMAS other son born abt 1854.
Now if I can get a 1871 Census look-up, it would mean that I have traced this
family from 1851 onward to 1901....minus the 1871 Census....which would
probably tell me about Thomas HUGHES....relationship to this family.
I know, you folks are tired of hearing about my Hugh THOMAS , Thomas HUGHES
.....and...you have to admit it is a mystery to behold.
Thanks all.
Lynn
Hi Lynn,
I don't know if I answered this or not. I don't have a specific date for
my Hugh Thomas but here are some surrounding generations that do have
dates.
13 Richard Lloyd (of Rhosgyll Fawr & Tan Yr Allt)
+ Elinor Hughes
14 William Lloyd (of Rhosgyll Fawr & Tan Yr Allt, Caer.)
14 Catherine Lloyd b: BET. 1667 - 1668 d: 10 NOV 1710
+ Richard Madryn d: 1694 (no children)
+ Hugh Thomas (her 2nd husband)
15 John Thomas d: 29 MAY 1767, Rhosgyll Fawr, Eifionydd, Caer.
+ Jane Williams d: 3 MAY 1735
16 Richard Lloyd Thomas d. 1811, Caer.
16 William Thomas
16 Thomas Thomas d. 1731
16 John Thomas (1732-1787) Rector Llanfrolhen
16 Griffith Thomas (chr.4-24-1735)
16 Anne Thomas b: 1733Rhosgyll Fawr d: 1812Llanpatrick, Ang.
+ John Parry b: 1726 d: 1825Llanpatrick, Ang
According to J. E. Griffith's "Pedigrees of Anglesey and Caernarvonshire
Families..." and the WILLPERF database on world connect, rootsweb.com,
the dates would be earlier than your Hugh Thomas. I haven't yet had the
courage to try searching for a Thomas Hughes, hoping it will be the same
fellow.
Betty
> From: Beachcomber259(a)aol.com
>
> To: WLS-GWYNEDD-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
> Subject: [GWYNEDD] Regarding Hugh THOMAS
>
> >
> Betty.....could you please tell me when Hugh THOMAS
> was born. I have a
> Hugh
> THOMAS......Great-great grandfather who lived for a
> time in BrynEithin,
> Bodedern, Anglesey Wales and was a farmer there.....he
> had a son named
> John
> THOMAS and another son Thomas HUGHES......my
> great-grandfather. Realize
> it
> may not be any connection, but had to ask. My Hugh
> THOMAS waas born
> about
> 1821 in Ceirchiog Anglesey Wales and had a sister
> named Margaret THOMAS
> who
> was born sometime abt. 1799 Know this is all
> confusing...but with all
> the
> HUGHES, THOMAS,JONES,ROWLAND, and ROBERTS.......it
> becomes a tangled
> web.
> Let me know if any of this connects.
> Warm Regards,
> Lynn
>
>
>
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Found at RG10/3802 Fol.27A.
ROBERTS Owen h m 52 shipwright Holyhead
RG10/3797 Fol.13
HUGHES Richard h m 28 fireman Agy.Holyhead
RG10/3797 Fol.15
JONES Edward h m 40 stonemason Agy. Llethgwenfarg (?)
More details available.
Sandra (JONES, OWENS, PARRY : Amlwch).
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CAE is the abbreviation for Caernarfonshire. Sp is spinster. Not sure about the A/B sound like file, page or film numbers as does the 50/98.
Arlene
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From: MJ Bradley
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Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 11:57 AM
Subject: [ANG] Hughes in Anglesey
I just spent the morning going through the list of marraiges in
Dogfen WinWord Document: Bangor 1801-1837 (Merched)
on the Library of Wales Site I haven't been able to pin point what Owen
HUGHES is mine but there are quit a few for the time period. I am not surue
though what certain things meant in the listing. So I am hoping someone may
know. The following is how each line looks. What do the A,B and the 50/98
at the end of the line mean? and after Janes name (and many others is sp.
is that spinster? The CAE is another one I would like to know. Any one
willing to explain?
EVANS, Jane, sp., Llangian, CAE. 1817, Nov 6. At Llangian. Owen HUGHES A,B
50/98
I have a HUGHES famly in Holyhead in 1881 mother Catherine was Widow at age
52 and had father-in-law Owen living with her. He husbands name was also
Owen(got that on a marriage Cert here in the US. Catherine and Owen must
have been married sometime before 1850 which is when their son John was
born. This family is at 4 Tre Arthur Square in Holy head. Does anyone know
if it is still standing and if so is there a way to get a picture of it?
Sorry about the length of this I will try to keep them shorter in the
future.
Thank you for your kindness.
MJ
Houston Texas USA
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In a message dated 10/08/2002 19:57:30 GMT Daylight Time,
mj_bradley(a)hotmail.com writes:
> The following is how each line looks. What do the A,B and the 50/98 at the
> end of the line mean? and after Janes name (and many others is sp. is that
> spinster? The CAE is another one I would like to know. Any one willing to
> explain?
>
> EVANS, Jane, sp., Llangian, CAE. 1817, Nov 6. At Llangian. Owen HUGHES
> A,B 50/98
>
sp is spinster
CAE is the county code for Caernarfonshire
A is Affadavit
To obtain a licence, the bridegroom would normally appear before a surrogate
(a person authorised to act for the bishop's court in the granting of
marriage licences) and swear on oath that he knew of no impediment to the
marriage. The oath is recorded in a document known as an affidavit or an
allegation.
B is Bond
Until 1823, the bridegroom and a friend would also enter into a bond, a
document obliging them to pay a sum of money. These bonds are known as
marriage bonds. If an impediment to the marriage should come to light, or if
the conditions of the licence should be breached, then the bridegroom and his
friend would forfeit the considerable sum of money noted in the bond. Under
normal circumstances the sum would not be paid.
50/98 is a reference number for the archive
All the best
Alwyn
I just spent the morning going through the list of marraiges in
Dogfen WinWord Document: Bangor 1801-1837 (Merched)
on the Library of Wales Site I haven't been able to pin point what Owen
HUGHES is mine but there are quit a few for the time period. I am not surue
though what certain things meant in the listing. So I am hoping someone may
know. The following is how each line looks. What do the A,B and the 50/98
at the end of the line mean? and after Janes name (and many others is sp.
is that spinster? The CAE is another one I would like to know. Any one
willing to explain?
EVANS, Jane, sp., Llangian, CAE. 1817, Nov 6. At Llangian. Owen HUGHES A,B
50/98
I have a HUGHES famly in Holyhead in 1881 mother Catherine was Widow at age
52 and had father-in-law Owen living with her. He husbands name was also
Owen(got that on a marriage Cert here in the US. Catherine and Owen must
have been married sometime before 1850 which is when their son John was
born. This family is at 4 Tre Arthur Square in Holy head. Does anyone know
if it is still standing and if so is there a way to get a picture of it?
Sorry about the length of this I will try to keep them shorter in the
future.
Thank you for your kindness.
MJ
Houston Texas USA
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Found in Piece No. RG10/3797 Toxteth Park area of Liverpool.
Fol. 13. 11 John's Place
HUGHES Richard h m 28 fireman Agy.Holyhead
and family
ROBERTS Grace u visit. 22 Holyhead
Fol. 15
Edward JONES h m 40 stonemason Agy. Llethgwenfarwg (?)
Sandra.
(JONES, STEELE,OWENS,PARRY: Amlwch)
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Hi Chrissie,
Don't know if you got any replies; but, I believe I saw New Street listed.
It caught my eye 'cause that's the name of the street I live on in PA.
Hope it helps.
Jane Ellen
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From: Chrissie Malvern <daffodil(a)webtribe.net>
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Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:16 AM
Subject: [ANG] Holyhead Census place
> Hi all,
> I've just bought the Archive CD of Pigot's Directory for North Wales 1835
> and there is a William JONES at the Blue Bell tavern, New Road, Holyhead.
I
> think this may just possibly be my g-g-grandfather. I went to GENUKI to
> check the online transcript of the 1851 census, and can't find New Road at
> all. Can anyone tell me what would be the Welsh for "New Road" ?
> And could SKS possibly check the 1841 census for this address?
> Incidentally, the CD is excellent value for £8, and right now they're
> giving away the Universal British Directory of 1791 free to new customers
> ... well recommended.
> chrissie
>
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Does anyone know of Richard Jones (1772-1844)? He died at the King's Head,
Bodedern.
Glyn
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Hi all,
Can sks help me here?
I have the marriage cert of my gt. gt. grandparents and am trying to find their parents.
John ELLIS b c1821 Bodedern or Llantrisant father named as Richard ELLIS.
I have found an IGI entry for John, father Richard, mother Ann bp Llantrisant around the correct time span but obviously unsure if it is my John ELLIS.
Sarah ELLIS formally JONES born c1822 Penmynydd fathers name Hugh JONES. Have no idea where to look next.
Is there an 1851 census available for all of Anglesey or any fiche availabe. I have looked on various sites for information but became confused with all the different place names. Can someone point me in the right direction.
kindest regards,
Chris in Lancashire
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Found at 5 College Street East, Liverpool RG12/2942 F22A.
OWEN Wm. h m sailor Agy. Wales
Marry w m 29 L/pool.
Wm.James s s 1 L/pool.
Also:-
RG10/3795 F.10A 37 Berkley St, Liverpool.
(household Maria PETRIE)
OWENS Ann serv. u 19 nursemaid Amlwch Wls.
Sandra.
Interests: Grace JONES h wid. 61 Publican Agy.Amlwch
living at King Street Amlwch, 1851
Thomas PARRY gr.son of above aged 6yrs.
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Hi again, specially Jane Ellen and Arlene,
I bought online (Mastercard) direct from;
http://www.archivecdbooks.org
The CDs arrived by post inside a week.
chrissie
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>Hi Chrissie,
>
>Can you please tell us where you got the cd from and the address please.
>
>Thank you
>Jane Ellen
>
>
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>Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:16 AM
>Subject: [ANG] Holyhead Census place
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> I've just bought the Archive CD of Pigot's Directory for North Wales 1835
>> ... the CD is excellent value for £8, and right now they're
>> giving away the Universal British Directory of 1791 free to new customers
>> ... well recommended.
>> chrissie