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Thanks MAK-
This answers some questions.
I do not like alot of rules/quidelines also but I do feel for the cc's to
know what is expected it is very good idea to atleast have some type of
guidelines. The guidelines already in place are good and just maybe need to
be tweaked a bit.
Paula
Waupaca County Coordinator
WIGenWeb Project
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm
>From: MAK - Transcriber <maktranscriber(a)yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Reviews and guidelines Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004
>06:57:52 -0700 (PDT)
>
>In the past and currently, the WI SC, ASC, and the
>webmaster have been doing reviews - The main things we
>check for are broken links to sites - working email
>addresses for POCs, and is the site being maintained
>(up to date). It is a big job - and we no sooner get
>done - when it is time to do it again.
>
>As for CC qualities - When the project started - our
>main concern was covering all the counties with a warm
>body (grin). We worked hard and we used our fellow
>CC's as a sounding board to ask what was missing - and
>how we could find information - Now that our site has
>grown and matured, I am continually amazed and
>delighted by the CCs different talents and
>perspectives - that is why each WI county site is so
>unique and interesting - we bring a little part of
>ourselves to our site.
>
>Personally, I don't like a lot of rules - They can
>take the focus off the gathering of data while
>stifling creativity and uniqueness. But I do like the
>idea of guidelines to help form our sites and to
>provide the best service possible to our customers.
>That is my focus on my sites -
>
>I was long winded - sorry -
>R/S MAK
>
>
>
>
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Jan - I was wondering - it sounds from your email that the person reveiwing
did the emailing directly to you? Is that right?
I would think this could cause hard feelings and maybe if this type of
system is eventially put into place in WI - that all of these emails should
be handled by the State Coordinator. Maybe a system where the review team
only reports their findings to the State Coordinator and State Asssistant
Coordinator and the final email etc. coming from them??
Tina-Do you do a reveiw of the WI sites now? How often is this done?
I do hope whatever we all decide on, it doesn't become so bogged down that
it scares volunteers away.
I do like the page that Mari referred to. A pretty complete page for the new
members of the project, etc.
Paula
Waupaca County Coordinator
WIGenWeb Project
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm
>From: "Jan Cortez" <cristian(a)netonecom.net>
>Reply-To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] MNIGS
>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:07:33 -0400
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mari" <ddmmjm(a)netins.net>
> > I may be from WI, but I think IA has a well rounded and thorough GenWeb
> > structure. We have a page set up where it tells the volunteer what is
> > expected: http://www.iagenweb.org/state/primer.htm And, once a year,
>we
> > have a yearly review on all 99 counties....they are scrutinized for
> > content, and whether or not they are following the guidelines put
> > forth. Have a look....I don't think they can be beat!
>********************************************
>
>While I do think that IA has a pretty decent system of guidelines, and page
>checks yearly, etc., I think that things are a bit overdone on the page
>checks and would hate to see that happen here.
>
>I was an IA CC at one time, taking over an existing site with very little
>substance on it. I worked very hard to establish a repore with the
>researchers, develop a photo album, that was just catching on, got a farm
>directory online, purchased CD's of WPA Cemetery records, and an old
>history
>of the county, which I was beginning to work on. The Iowa review began and
>my pages were checked as were everyone elses. Hey, great, keeps us on our
>toes, checking for dead links, and all the criteria that is in the
>guidelines, before the review. I liked that part. The part that I didn't
>like was the page reviewer saying that everything was okay with links,
>logos, etc., but that I was more concerned with putting graphics on my site
>than I was with content and raw data. No good comments, just the jab.
>Well needless to say that smarts. I was crushed and basically in the end
>why I left Iowa.
>
>I know I don't have it all on my pages, but, have always prided myself in
>getting as much data online as I can. My pages are not that shabby in raw
>data and I'm graphically and html challenged for heaven's sake.
>
>So while I would like to see guidelines, and/or even page checks for
>compliance, let's not go the heavy route like IA.
>
>Sorry Mari, tis my opinion and not meant personally towards you.
>
>Jan
>
>
>
>
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Thanks Mari-
Just read through the site. Good ideas and can you tell me? Who does the
reviewing? Who then emails the cc with correction, etc??
Paula
Waupaca County Coordinator
WIGenWeb Project
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm
>From: Mari <ddmmjm(a)netins.net>
>Reply-To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] MNIGS
>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:52:05 -0500
>
>This is important.....thanks for bringing it up, Paula :)
>
>I may be from WI, but I think IA has a well rounded and thorough GenWeb
>structure. We have a page set up where it tells the volunteer what is
>expected: http://www.iagenweb.org/state/primer.htm And, once a year, we
>have a yearly review on all 99 counties....they are scrutinized for
>content, and whether or not they are following the guidelines put forth.
>Have a look....I don't think they can be beat!
>
>Mari
>Dane County, WI CC
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~widane/
>Hardin County, IA CC
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~iahardin/html/index.htm
>
>
>
>At 09:02 AM 4/28/2004,Paula Vaughan wrote:
>>Thanks Tina-
>>
>>So are you saying a person could be a MNIGS on the national level but
>>could be a member in good standing on the state level?? I am not
>>questioning your decision, I am just trying to make sure I am getting the
>>drift. I know you did not make this decision easily and trust in your
>>decision.
>>
>>Maybe this brings up an issue that has laid dormant since the election of
>>WI state coordinator - there had been discussion of forming by-laws, etc.
>>etc. I believe the last discuss on the list about these things was to wait
>>until after the holidays. The holidays have been over for a few months -
>>is anything going to be done on this or is it just going to be dropped
>>until another problem arises??
>>By-laws, guidelines or whatever is decided upon would (I believe)
>>certainly help volunteers know what is expected, etc. and also help the
>>state cooridnator out when having to make decisions. Is this topic dead?
>>
>>Paula
>>Waupaca County Coordinator
>>WIGenWeb Project
>>http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm
>>
>>>From: "Tina S. Vickery" <tsvickery(a)adelphia.net>
>>>Reply-To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>>To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>>Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] MNIS
>>>Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:35:15 -0400
>>>
>>>Paula,
>>>
>>>As to membership --
>>>
>>>ARTICLE IV. MEMBERSHIP
>>>Section 1. The only requirement for membership in The
>>>USGenWeb Project is a desire to assist in gathering and
>>>disseminating genealogical and historical information for
>>>free online access by researchers.
>>>
>>>Section 2. The USGenWeb Project is an equal opportunity
>>>organization and will not tolerate discrimination in any
>>>form because of race, color, religion, sex, national origin,
>>>age, marital status, disability, sexual orientation, etc.
>>>---
>>>
>>>With membership comes responsibility. With the Advisory
>>>Board declaration of member not in good standing at the
>>>national level, I feel that WIGenWeb Project is best served
>>>by following that lead, therefore my action. As I has
>>>stated, it was not a decision I made lightly. I am
>>>responsible for the WIGenWeb Project. Other XXGenWeb will
>>>make their own decisions.
>>>
>>>Tina
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > From: "Paula Vaughan" <pajolova(a)hotmail.com>
>>> > Date: 2004/04/27 Tue AM 09:45:39 EDT
>>> > To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>> > Subject: [WIGEN-L] MNIS
>>> >
>>> > Hello-
>>> >
>>> > I am confused somewhat also on this issue. If Tim is a MNIS, how can
>>>he be
>>> > cc or hold any other position within the project?? Also how does one
>>>really
>>> > become a member - simply by volunteering?? Elected??
>>> >
>>> > Paula
>>> > Waupaca County Coordinator
>>> > WIGenWeb Project
>>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm
>>> >
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Tina S. Vickery wrote:
>Thank you Mari, does anyone else have comments?
>
>Lets not get ahead of ourselves with the discussion. Lets get the basics down and go from there. Good food for thought though!
>
>Thanks all!
>
>Tina
>
>
>
>>From: Mari <ddmmjm(a)netins.net>
>>Date: 2004/04/28 Wed PM 07:34:20 EDT
>>To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] DISCUSSION: Basic Requirements
>>
>>Tina, I would also add:
>>
>>Understanding of the requirements of the USGenWeb for the County Sites, and
>>implementing them accordingly.
>>
>>Mari
>>
>>At 06:02 PM 4/28/2004,Tina S. Vickery wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Paula,
>>>
>>>You are right.. My apologies.. let's all go for it!
>>>
>>>I originally posted this on October 26, 2003. (Once more
>>>with feeling), <VBG>.
>>>
>>>Tina
>>>__
>>>
>>>DISCUSSION: Basic Requirements for becoming a WIGenWeb
>>>Project County Coordinator.
>>>
>>>Below I have listed an outline of the very basic
>>>requirements to become a WIGenWeb County Coordinator. This
>>>is in no way complete and I provide it for discussion and
>>>brainstorming purposes only. I will admit that in compiling
>>>these I visited many USGenWeb Project State pages, so the
>>>ideas aren't all original, but seem to work well in the
>>>states I visited.
>>>
>>>I would like to use these discussions as we go along to not
>>>only update our WIGenWeb Project Guidelines pages (by
>>>majority vote of WIGenWeb Project volunteers), but to also
>>>compile a listing of useful resources to incorporate into a
>>>"Volunteers Helping Volunteers" website. Future discussion
>>>topics will deal with the "nitty gritty" of the role of
>>>State Coordinator, Assistant State Coordinator, County
>>>Coordinator, Assistant County Coordinator etc.
>>>
>>>Please take time to read the outline, and to share
>>>thoughts, ideas, comments and resources you may have to
>>>expand and improve.
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>Tina
>>>
>>>_____
>>>
>>>To be a successful WIGenWeb Project County Coordinator, you
>>>will need:
>>>
>>>A knowledge of, or willingness to learn about the
>>>county/area you will be coordinating.
>>>
>>>A desire and willingness to assist researchers who visit
>>>your county website.
>>>
>>>A basic knowledge or ability to learn HTML (Hyper Text
>>>Markup Language) page coding and design.
>>>
>>>A basic knowledge or ability to learn how to FTP (File
>>>Transfer Protocol) pages to the server of your choice.
>>>Access to reliable server space. There are many "free"
>>>servers available. County Coordinators may host their pages
>>>on the server of their choice.
>>>
>>>Time, energy and enthusiasm to devote to your county page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>==== WIGEN Mailing List ====
>>>Celebrate Wisconsin!
>>>Visit the Waukesha County WIGenWeb Project Pages
>>>http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaukes/indice.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>>==== WIGEN Mailing List ====
>>Celebrate Wisconsin!
>>Visit the Walworth County WIGenWeb Project Pages
>>http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwalwor/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>==== WIGEN Mailing List ====
>Celebrate Wisconsin!
>Visit the Vilas County WIGenWeb Project Pages
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~wivilas/
>
>
>
>
We all have been through quite a lot this past 12 months. So my own
comments tend to be structured around the 'carrot and stick' methods of
dealing with anything. Or to put it another way, you'll attract more
flies with honey, than with vinegar.
So saying, I think that there will always be frustration, when visiting
a county for research and not finding much material at all.
But to react with the idea of establishing a minimum of what material
should be on a county site, is getting way ahead of things.
Or to say that 'you must have x, y and z...or else' is too much of a
criticism, to do anything but offend.
I still say the state coordinators should start their own program to
acknowledge great county sites. New York started just to highlight one
particular county every month. That sure was an incentive to bring
your county up-to-date, so that it looked nice when it was 'county of
the month'.
It also looks great if you can put some sort of recognition symbol, if
your state decides to acknowledge all the hard work you have done on
your site. A 'county of the month' symbol, or a state recognition
program, would be a great start.
Once you have established a list of 5 or 10 'great county sites', and
make people aware of the list, those counties will serve as great
examples for other counties to follow. A struggling county
co-ordinator would then see which counties have a co-ordinator who
would possible offer advice to them on improving their site.
I prefer giving out carrots, rather than beating counties over the head
with a stick.
Or perhaps, we should give out bales of hay for all our cows!
just tracy reinhardt, again.
When you received things like this - it is normally
because it is a virus and you are in someones address
book - I would send him an email and ask - the last
few I received - people stated no - it wasn't from
them.
Under no circumstances would I open an attachment I
was not expecting - especially without scanning it
first.
R/S MAK
--- The Perrys <traceroots(a)charter.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> Did anyone else get an email message from Tim
=====
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Thank you Mari, does anyone else have comments?
Lets not get ahead of ourselves with the discussion. Lets get the basics down and go from there. Good food for thought though!
Thanks all!
Tina
>
> From: Mari <ddmmjm(a)netins.net>
> Date: 2004/04/28 Wed PM 07:34:20 EDT
> To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] DISCUSSION: Basic Requirements
>
> Tina, I would also add:
>
> Understanding of the requirements of the USGenWeb for the County Sites, and
> implementing them accordingly.
>
> Mari
>
> At 06:02 PM 4/28/2004,Tina S. Vickery wrote:
> >Paula,
> >
> >You are right.. My apologies.. let's all go for it!
> >
> >I originally posted this on October 26, 2003. (Once more
> >with feeling), <VBG>.
> >
> >Tina
> >__
> >
> >DISCUSSION: Basic Requirements for becoming a WIGenWeb
> >Project County Coordinator.
> >
> >Below I have listed an outline of the very basic
> >requirements to become a WIGenWeb County Coordinator. This
> >is in no way complete and I provide it for discussion and
> >brainstorming purposes only. I will admit that in compiling
> >these I visited many USGenWeb Project State pages, so the
> >ideas aren't all original, but seem to work well in the
> >states I visited.
> >
> >I would like to use these discussions as we go along to not
> >only update our WIGenWeb Project Guidelines pages (by
> >majority vote of WIGenWeb Project volunteers), but to also
> >compile a listing of useful resources to incorporate into a
> >"Volunteers Helping Volunteers" website. Future discussion
> >topics will deal with the "nitty gritty" of the role of
> >State Coordinator, Assistant State Coordinator, County
> >Coordinator, Assistant County Coordinator etc.
> >
> >Please take time to read the outline, and to share
> >thoughts, ideas, comments and resources you may have to
> >expand and improve.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Tina
> >
> >_____
> >
> >To be a successful WIGenWeb Project County Coordinator, you
> >will need:
> >
> >A knowledge of, or willingness to learn about the
> >county/area you will be coordinating.
> >
> >A desire and willingness to assist researchers who visit
> >your county website.
> >
> >A basic knowledge or ability to learn HTML (Hyper Text
> >Markup Language) page coding and design.
> >
> >A basic knowledge or ability to learn how to FTP (File
> >Transfer Protocol) pages to the server of your choice.
> >Access to reliable server space. There are many "free"
> >servers available. County Coordinators may host their pages
> >on the server of their choice.
> >
> >Time, energy and enthusiasm to devote to your county page.
> >
> >
> >
> >==== WIGEN Mailing List ====
> >Celebrate Wisconsin!
> >Visit the Waukesha County WIGenWeb Project Pages
> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaukes/indice.html
>
>
>
> ==== WIGEN Mailing List ====
> Celebrate Wisconsin!
> Visit the Walworth County WIGenWeb Project Pages
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwalwor/
>
>
By the way, just because I don't agree with all of IAGenWeb's review
policies, doesn't mean I don't think they have a great project. They have a
handful of very dedicated, very talented and very knowledgeable individuals
who have created and maintain some fanastic projects. IAGenWeb has there
own message boards similar to the Genconnect boards and they have a
gravestone photo project that is fanastic! The people who set up and
maintain these projects are amazing! If WIGenWeb ever wanted to do something
similar I would give my whole hearted support.
IAGenWeb Message Boards - http://iagenweb.org/abin/countygrid.htm
IAGenWeb Gravestone Photo Project - http://iowagravestones.org/
Jenny
Outagamie
I agree with Jan on reviews. I was also a cc for Iowa. I understand the
point of the USGenWeb project is to provide free genealogical data but I
also think the sites should provide the basics on how to do research in that
county. I also think the sites should be well organized, compatible with
many different browsers, and show some continuity. I saw county sites that
passed the reviews simply because their links were updated and they had
online databases available. The fact that they were an eye sore,
disorganized, generally non user friendly didn't matter. I didn't pass my
last review, however I already had my site up for adoption so I wasn't too
crushed but I was annoyed. I tried to the best of my abilities to provide a
solid site with the basics for genealogical research in my county. I
provided valuable links to other databases. I kept the site up to date and
organized. I followed the suggested guidelines given by the NGS on how to
maintain a good genealogical web site by providing full source information
in the footer on EVERY page. I made sure every page had an appropriate
title that indicated what was found on the page as well as the fact that it
was part of the IAGenWeb project. I had a consistent layout and look for
all of my pages, including the USGenWeb and IAGenWeb logo on EVERY page. I
clearly indicated links that led to external sites so as not to make it seem
I was taking credit for some elses work. I tried to ensure my site would
look the same on the majority of browsers by using tables to limit the width
of the page. If I had links to large files (such as a photo) I made sure to
warn users the page might be slow loading. I kept graphics to a minimum and
tried to use colors that were easy to read.
I did all of this but still I didn't pass because I didn't have an
online database. If I hadn't already had my site up for adoption, it would
have been taken away from me if I didn't get a databse online within a given
amount of time. Random pieces of data didn't count. All of the obituaries
and gravestone pictures I contributed didn't mean anything because they
weren't part of an organized database (ie. all of the obits from a given
paper in a given year.) I have real concerns about WIGenWeb heading this
direction. I'm more than happy to add any data that someone wants to
donate. I will also contribute my photos, obits and other random data.
However, I simply don't have the time to do all of the transcribing myself.
I applaud those of you who are continuously adding information to your
sites. I think it's fanastic.
Jenny
Outagamie CC
Hit send too soon, sorry ...
or visual basic. many worms are visual basic programs, but not all visual basic programs are worms
Tina
> From: "The Perrys" <traceroots(a)charter.net>
> Date: 2004/04/28 Wed PM 08:59:15 EDT
> To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [WIGEN-L] Message from Tim Stowell
>
> Hi,
> Did anyone else get an email message from Tim Stowell? It's a blank message
> with an attachment labeled Message.vbs.
>
> I tend not to open attachments unless I know the person. Secondly, since
> I'm on hiatus from WIGENWEB, I'm not certain why he would have sent me
> anything.
>
> Just wondered if anyone else received anything from him.
> Thanks,
> Peggy Perry
>
>
>
> ==== WIGEN Mailing List ====
> Celebrate Wisconsin!
> Visit the Waupaca County WIGenWeb Project Pages
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm
>
>
.vbs I am told is a worm.. don't open.
Tina
>
> From: "The Perrys" <traceroots(a)charter.net>
> Date: 2004/04/28 Wed PM 08:59:15 EDT
> To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [WIGEN-L] Message from Tim Stowell
>
> Hi,
> Did anyone else get an email message from Tim Stowell? It's a blank message
> with an attachment labeled Message.vbs.
>
> I tend not to open attachments unless I know the person. Secondly, since
> I'm on hiatus from WIGENWEB, I'm not certain why he would have sent me
> anything.
>
> Just wondered if anyone else received anything from him.
> Thanks,
> Peggy Perry
>
>
>
> ==== WIGEN Mailing List ====
> Celebrate Wisconsin!
> Visit the Waupaca County WIGenWeb Project Pages
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm
>
>
At 08:16 PM 4/28/2004,Tina S. Vickery wrote:
>Hit send too soon, sorry ...
>or visual basic. many worms are visual basic programs, but not all visual
>basic programs are worms
>
>Tina
LOL If I didn't understand and know the difference, Tina....I'd say you're
confused! <g>
Mari
Peggy,
He posted to the WICrawford list late yesterday that he would be off the
computer for a few days, as a friend of his died.
I'd question that it's him....
Mari
At 07:59 PM 4/28/2004,The Perrys wrote:
>Hi,
>Did anyone else get an email message from Tim Stowell? It's a blank message
>with an attachment labeled Message.vbs.
>
>I tend not to open attachments unless I know the person. Secondly, since
>I'm on hiatus from WIGENWEB, I'm not certain why he would have sent me
>anything.
>
>Just wondered if anyone else received anything from him.
>Thanks,
>Peggy Perry
and Mak is off teaching a Quilting class, but we can do the Server-side include discussion or whatever you all may want to discuss.
I will have USGW-WI open at 9:00pm ET; 8:00pm CT; 7:00pm MT; 6:00pm PT
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/irc-chat.html
Tina
Hi,
Did anyone else get an email message from Tim Stowell? It's a blank message
with an attachment labeled Message.vbs.
I tend not to open attachments unless I know the person. Secondly, since
I'm on hiatus from WIGENWEB, I'm not certain why he would have sent me
anything.
Just wondered if anyone else received anything from him.
Thanks,
Peggy Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mari" <ddmmjm(a)netins.net>
> Jan, I understand....
> However, one needs to remember that every person....every CC has a
> different viewpoint. If you passed, that was what mattered! I've always
> kept my pages simple, and easy to navigate....with the beginners in mind,
> and there are a lot of older machines "out there"....that can't read the
> newer stuff. Unless your good at sizing down graphics, it makes the pages
> load slower......but again.....that's just a difference of opinion.
********************************************
Yes, I did pass, and my sites are not that full of graphics. My point being
that you have to give a bit of good with the bad, and something like that is
very discouraging to the newer people. It was to me after being with the
project for six years, so what must a new CC think? I would hate to see
that happen here.
Another thing with volunteers is that they have no idea that you have put
three times the material on the site that was there when you began and then
to be told you don't have enough. Yikes! That is the pits. Didn't give me
any incentive to work on it anymore. I found a gal who was donating info,
was familiar with the area, took her on as co-cc and left.
Jan
Those who do the reviews are pretty much the same ones now. They DO list
the good along with the "needing work" things.
All I can say is that it has worked, and for the good.
That you took it personally is too bad......because it's a good working
system, and showing in the quality of the sites.
So we set up a criteria here for WI.....who's going to do the patrolling of
all the counties? Who's going to be the one responsible for seeing that
every site is adhering to the requirements of the USGenWeb and seeing to it
that the links are all in good working order. The CC themselves? Of their
own site. Don't think that will work.
My question is, why is this being brought forth as a topic anyway. Seems
to me there must be a need, or it wouldn't even be mentioned.
This CAN be done without insulting the CC of the site. That you got
someone who just pointed out the "needs work" areas, is too bad. There
isn't that problem now. At least not that I'm aware of. If it were, the
same ones wouldn't be asked again to participate in doing the reviews.
What needs to be remembered, is that the reviews are done as a HELP to the
CC....not to criticize. When the reviews first started, as you mentioned,
it was in it's testing grounds. It's been implemented a while now, and a
lot of the problems have been taken care of. Again....it's in who does the
review and how the CC takes the criticism that will make or break it.
It's understood that not all CCs are able to do much...some live far
away....but at the very least, there should be some sort of criteria set up
whereby the CC is aware of their responsibilities.......which is what I
thought this was. All the reviews do is see to it that this is done.
It's no different than a person on a job.....if the requirements of that
job aren't up to snuff, the person is let go....or at least told to do what
they must to meet those requirements. Sure...we're all volunteers. But by
sheer human failings, it stands to reason that if there isn't some sort of
guidelines set where there is a fundamental/basic criteria is adhered to,
eventually a project....no matter what kind it is, ends up being not very
helpful. All the reviews are doing is seeing to it that doesn't
happen. And, as I said.....the CC can contest what is said. We're ALL
volunteers, for heaven sake. I'm not all that techy....but in no way do I
see the reviews as anything but helpful.
Sorry....Jan....you'll never change my mind. There's been too many
visitors compliment on the quality of the sites. I believe that the reason
is the reviews.
Mari
At 06:38 PM 4/28/2004,Jan Cortez wrote:
>********************************************
>
>Yes, I did pass, and my sites are not that full of graphics. My point being
>that you have to give a bit of good with the bad, and something like that is
>very discouraging to the newer people. It was to me after being with the
>project for six years, so what must a new CC think? I would hate to see
>that happen here.
>
>Another thing with volunteers is that they have no idea that you have put
>three times the material on the site that was there when you began and then
>to be told you don't have enough. Yikes! That is the pits. Didn't give me
>any incentive to work on it anymore. I found a gal who was donating info,
>was familiar with the area, took her on as co-cc and left.
>
>Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mari" <ddmmjm(a)netins.net>
> I may be from WI, but I think IA has a well rounded and thorough GenWeb
> structure. We have a page set up where it tells the volunteer what is
> expected: http://www.iagenweb.org/state/primer.htm And, once a year, we
> have a yearly review on all 99 counties....they are scrutinized for
> content, and whether or not they are following the guidelines put
> forth. Have a look....I don't think they can be beat!
********************************************
While I do think that IA has a pretty decent system of guidelines, and page
checks yearly, etc., I think that things are a bit overdone on the page
checks and would hate to see that happen here.
I was an IA CC at one time, taking over an existing site with very little
substance on it. I worked very hard to establish a repore with the
researchers, develop a photo album, that was just catching on, got a farm
directory online, purchased CD's of WPA Cemetery records, and an old history
of the county, which I was beginning to work on. The Iowa review began and
my pages were checked as were everyone elses. Hey, great, keeps us on our
toes, checking for dead links, and all the criteria that is in the
guidelines, before the review. I liked that part. The part that I didn't
like was the page reviewer saying that everything was okay with links,
logos, etc., but that I was more concerned with putting graphics on my site
than I was with content and raw data. No good comments, just the jab.
Well needless to say that smarts. I was crushed and basically in the end
why I left Iowa.
I know I don't have it all on my pages, but, have always prided myself in
getting as much data online as I can. My pages are not that shabby in raw
data and I'm graphically and html challenged for heaven's sake.
So while I would like to see guidelines, and/or even page checks for
compliance, let's not go the heavy route like IA.
Sorry Mari, tis my opinion and not meant personally towards you.
Jan
Paula,
You are right.. My apologies.. let's all go for it!
I originally posted this on October 26, 2003. (Once more
with feeling), <VBG>.
Tina
__
DISCUSSION: Basic Requirements for becoming a WIGenWeb
Project County Coordinator.
Below I have listed an outline of the very basic
requirements to become a WIGenWeb County Coordinator. This
is in no way complete and I provide it for discussion and
brainstorming purposes only. I will admit that in compiling
these I visited many USGenWeb Project State pages, so the
ideas aren't all original, but seem to work well in the
states I visited.
I would like to use these discussions as we go along to not
only update our WIGenWeb Project Guidelines pages (by
majority vote of WIGenWeb Project volunteers), but to also
compile a listing of useful resources to incorporate into a
"Volunteers Helping Volunteers" website. Future discussion
topics will deal with the "nitty gritty" of the role of
State Coordinator, Assistant State Coordinator, County
Coordinator, Assistant County Coordinator etc.
Please take time to read the outline, and to share
thoughts, ideas, comments and resources you may have to
expand and improve.
Thanks!
Tina
_____
To be a successful WIGenWeb Project County Coordinator, you
will need:
A knowledge of, or willingness to learn about the
county/area you will be coordinating.
A desire and willingness to assist researchers who visit
your county website.
A basic knowledge or ability to learn HTML (Hyper Text
Markup Language) page coding and design.
A basic knowledge or ability to learn how to FTP (File
Transfer Protocol) pages to the server of your choice.
Access to reliable server space. There are many "free"
servers available. County Coordinators may host their pages
on the server of their choice.
Time, energy and enthusiasm to devote to your county page.
Tina, I would also add:
Understanding of the requirements of the USGenWeb for the County Sites, and
implementing them accordingly.
Mari
At 06:02 PM 4/28/2004,Tina S. Vickery wrote:
>Paula,
>
>You are right.. My apologies.. let's all go for it!
>
>I originally posted this on October 26, 2003. (Once more
>with feeling), <VBG>.
>
>Tina
>__
>
>DISCUSSION: Basic Requirements for becoming a WIGenWeb
>Project County Coordinator.
>
>Below I have listed an outline of the very basic
>requirements to become a WIGenWeb County Coordinator. This
>is in no way complete and I provide it for discussion and
>brainstorming purposes only. I will admit that in compiling
>these I visited many USGenWeb Project State pages, so the
>ideas aren't all original, but seem to work well in the
>states I visited.
>
>I would like to use these discussions as we go along to not
>only update our WIGenWeb Project Guidelines pages (by
>majority vote of WIGenWeb Project volunteers), but to also
>compile a listing of useful resources to incorporate into a
>"Volunteers Helping Volunteers" website. Future discussion
>topics will deal with the "nitty gritty" of the role of
>State Coordinator, Assistant State Coordinator, County
>Coordinator, Assistant County Coordinator etc.
>
>Please take time to read the outline, and to share
>thoughts, ideas, comments and resources you may have to
>expand and improve.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Tina
>
>_____
>
>To be a successful WIGenWeb Project County Coordinator, you
>will need:
>
>A knowledge of, or willingness to learn about the
>county/area you will be coordinating.
>
>A desire and willingness to assist researchers who visit
>your county website.
>
>A basic knowledge or ability to learn HTML (Hyper Text
>Markup Language) page coding and design.
>
>A basic knowledge or ability to learn how to FTP (File
>Transfer Protocol) pages to the server of your choice.
>Access to reliable server space. There are many "free"
>servers available. County Coordinators may host their pages
>on the server of their choice.
>
>Time, energy and enthusiasm to devote to your county page.
>
>
>
>==== WIGEN Mailing List ====
>Celebrate Wisconsin!
>Visit the Waukesha County WIGenWeb Project Pages
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaukes/indice.html
Thanks Tina-
So are you saying a person could be a MNIGS on the national level but could
be a member in good standing on the state level?? I am not questioning your
decision, I am just trying to make sure I am getting the drift. I know you
did not make this decision easily and trust in your decision.
Maybe this brings up an issue that has laid dormant since the election of WI
state coordinator - there had been discussion of forming by-laws, etc. etc.
I believe the last discuss on the list about these things was to wait until
after the holidays. The holidays have been over for a few months - is
anything going to be done on this or is it just going to be dropped until
another problem arises??
By-laws, guidelines or whatever is decided upon would (I believe) certainly
help volunteers know what is expected, etc. and also help the state
cooridnator out when having to make decisions. Is this topic dead?
Paula
Waupaca County Coordinator
WIGenWeb Project
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm
>From: "Tina S. Vickery" <tsvickery(a)adelphia.net>
>Reply-To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] MNIS
>Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:35:15 -0400
>
>Paula,
>
>As to membership --
>
>ARTICLE IV. MEMBERSHIP
>Section 1. The only requirement for membership in The
>USGenWeb Project is a desire to assist in gathering and
>disseminating genealogical and historical information for
>free online access by researchers.
>
>Section 2. The USGenWeb Project is an equal opportunity
>organization and will not tolerate discrimination in any
>form because of race, color, religion, sex, national origin,
>age, marital status, disability, sexual orientation, etc.
>---
>
>With membership comes responsibility. With the Advisory
>Board declaration of member not in good standing at the
>national level, I feel that WIGenWeb Project is best served
>by following that lead, therefore my action. As I has
>stated, it was not a decision I made lightly. I am
>responsible for the WIGenWeb Project. Other XXGenWeb will
>make their own decisions.
>
>Tina
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: "Paula Vaughan" <pajolova(a)hotmail.com>
> > Date: 2004/04/27 Tue AM 09:45:39 EDT
> > To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: [WIGEN-L] MNIS
> >
> > Hello-
> >
> > I am confused somewhat also on this issue. If Tim is a MNIS, how can he
>be
> > cc or hold any other position within the project?? Also how does one
>really
> > become a member - simply by volunteering?? Elected??
> >
> > Paula
> > Waupaca County Coordinator
> > WIGenWeb Project
> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm
> >
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