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Since you responded to the list, Tina, I have to say something.
I fail to see what lesson is to be learned. This is not about a punishment,
Tina. We are all adults here, and shouldn't have to stamp our feet, and
pout and try to teach others a lesson.
Whether right or wrong, in a moment of unhappiness because of the situation,
Jan made a decision to leave two of her counties. After she thought about
it, she realized that her unhappiness was detrimental to the researchers.
She asked for the counties back but you refused to give them to her.
I am sick and tired of hearing your bellyaching regarding having to put
together the Winnebago site because Jan left, as well as your bad mouthing
Jan every chance you get. We all get the picture you have been hurt by
this.
You have several other counties that have no data or cc although you are
choosing only Winnebago as your pet project.
What about Clark?
Janet did the same thing, but I don't hear you crying about that or being CC
for that or pulling together data for that county. It is sitting there,
abandoned just like all the others. But yet, you didn't even acknowledge
the email I sent you with my suggestions.
What about Ashland?
What about Douglas?
What about Iowa?
What about Langlade?
All empty shells, Tina, and I don't recall you once giving the woe is me
attitude on having to put contents on any of those sites.
Get over it Tina. Jan made a mistake, you made a mistake, now it is either
time to make peace or drop the public display of attitude and move on. Not
time to let us CCs hear you bad mouthing a CC that is still within our
project and a board member of USGenWeb.
That certainly is not in the best interest of the WIGenWeb or the USGenWeb
for that matter.
We understand you are hurt, but realize other people are hurt by all that
has transpired too.
At this point the who that is hurt is the WIGenWeb. It will continue as
long as you continue to carry this chip on your shoulder.
Ellen- R.
>From: "Tina S Vickery" <tsvickery(a)adelphia.net>
>Reply-To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Winnebago County update.
>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:26:04 -0400
>
>There is no <ahem> about it.
>
>Tim, as you stated previously, you know the work that it takes to
>rebuild pages that have been totally taken down, leaving zilch, nil,
>nothing. What would you do if you were left with
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwinneb/, as an SC?
>
>The CC took not just her contributed information, but that of all of
>Winnebago County contributors .. Not to mention left many, many
>visitors wondering why.
>
>The USGenWeb Project is NOT about any *ONE* of us. It is about
>providing genealogical information online to our visitors. I fail to
>see how you as a candidate for National Coordinator do not see that?
>
>A State Coordinator does what is needed to put a count(ies) back on-
>line, to the best of their ability. I trust you do that as well in GA
>and ND?
>
>I also hope that the prior CC learns a lesson to apply to her role as
>SC in our neighboring state of MI.
>
>I thank all of you that have supported the effort to put Winnebago
>County back on line.
>
>I invite you to visit
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/winnebago/contents.html
>
>Tina
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell(a)chattanooga.net>
>To: <WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Winnebago County update.
>
>
><snip>
>
> > So Winnebago is now just a <ahem> trailer in back of the state page?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > ==== WIGEN Mailing List ====
> > Celebrate Wisconsin!
> > Visit the Washington County WIGenWeb Project Pages
> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashin/
> >
>
>
>==== WIGEN Mailing List ====
>Celebrate Wisconsin!
>Visit the Vilas County WIGenWeb Project Pages
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~wivernon/
>
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There is no <ahem> about it.
Tim, as you stated previously, you know the work that it takes to
rebuild pages that have been totally taken down, leaving zilch, nil,
nothing. What would you do if you were left with
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwinneb/, as an SC?
The CC took not just her contributed information, but that of all of
Winnebago County contributors .. Not to mention left many, many
visitors wondering why.
The USGenWeb Project is NOT about any *ONE* of us. It is about
providing genealogical information online to our visitors. I fail to
see how you as a candidate for National Coordinator do not see that?
A State Coordinator does what is needed to put a count(ies) back on-
line, to the best of their ability. I trust you do that as well in GA
and ND?
I also hope that the prior CC learns a lesson to apply to her role as
SC in our neighboring state of MI.
I thank all of you that have supported the effort to put Winnebago
County back on line.
I invite you to visit
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/winnebago/contents.html
Tina
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell(a)chattanooga.net>
To: <WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Winnebago County update.
<snip>
> So Winnebago is now just a <ahem> trailer in back of the state page?
>
> Tim
>
>
> ==== WIGEN Mailing List ====
> Celebrate Wisconsin!
> Visit the Washington County WIGenWeb Project Pages
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashin/
>
Nance - I have surname pages also. They are alot of
work just keeping up with the email changes (grin), so
I would have them post their query to the message
board - that way, you are out of the loop.
R/S MAK
--- "n.e.w.s." <nsampson(a)spacestar.net> wrote:
Or suggest that
> they use the message boards that are connected with
the county and/or surnames that they have
> the information for? Any other ideas that come to
> mind would be very appreciated. My sincere thanks
in advance to each of you who respond.
>
> --
> Nance
>
>
>
>
> ==== WIGEN Mailing List ====
> Celebrate Wisconsin!
> Visit the Washburn County WIGenWeb Project Pages
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashbu/
> County WIGenWeb Project Pages
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashbu/
>
=====
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I do not put residential addresses on the site....too risky for the person
living there. But I will put PO Box (Post Office) addresses if the person
has web tv or no computer at home to communicate with. All a crook needs is
the name, address and mother's maiden name and "BINGO", instant stolen
identity for bogus credit info., false credit card application, etc. I know
crooks will get it if they want it, but "if it ain't made easy for them,
they go somewheres else where there's easy pickings." I also do not act as
"go between"; it would just be too time consuming and complicated. Can't say
"Yes" to some and "No" to others. Guess I would suggest they have a PO Box.
Rita - Oconto County
"n.e.w.s." wrote:
> Hi fellow CCs,
>
> Since the beginning of the time that I have been a CC, I've had a
> surname page for each of my counties. This gives the visitors who have
> information on specific surnames within each county the chance to
> interact with others who may also be researching those family lines. I
> recently received an email from a person who desires to share their
> family information, but they do not have a personal email address and
> only has online access through their work, which cannot be used for
> personal business (even though they sent this initial email from it).
> They are requesting that I list the surnames that they are researching
> along with there home snail mail address, or for me to pass information
> back and forth between them and whomever asks for the info. Since I
> don't have a memory, much less a brain to remember things with, I am
> really not too enthused about this latter idea. And I really don't like
> the idea of posting someone's snail mail address on a website, even
> though they are granting me permission to do so. So, what would you do?
> Would you follow their wishes? Or suggest that they use the message
> boards that are connected with the county and/or surnames that they have
> the information for? Any other ideas that come to mind would be very
> appreciated. My sincere thanks in advance to each of you who respond.
>
> --
> Nance
>
> ==== WIGEN Mailing List ====
> Celebrate Wisconsin!
> Visit the Washburn County WIGenWeb Project Pages
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashbu/
Until such time, as I have obtained a directory to host the Winnebago
County WIGenWeb Pages (other than within the ~wigenweb/ directories),
I will be listed as County Coordinator of the site. Paula has decided
she does not wish to take it on.
I have updated the pages today.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/winnebago/
Tina
Hi Nance,
I have run into this before. I don't think these people realize
who can be checking this out. I have refused to put an address on-line and
since my memory is to say the least not working all the time, I wouldn't
offer to bounce info back and forth. What I did suggest was this: I told
them to go to either mail.com or hotmail.com and open an account. Even if
they can't access it from work, they certainly can access it from their
local library.
I can tell this much, should someone obtain the address from one
of our websites and then pay visit to them, welcomed or otherwise, it will
come back to bite you,
Debie Blindauer
Calumet & Sheboygan Counties
At 03:31 PM 8/17/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi fellow CCs,
>
>Since the beginning of the time that I have been a CC, I've had a surname
>page for each of my counties. This gives the visitors who have
>information on specific surnames within each county the chance to interact
>with others who may also be researching those family lines. I recently
>received an email from a person who desires to share their family
>information, but they do not have a personal email address and only has
>online access through their work, which cannot be used for personal
>business (even though they sent this initial email from it). They are
>requesting that I list the surnames that they are researching along with
>there home snail mail address, or for me to pass information back and
>forth between them and whomever asks for the info. Since I don't have a
>memory, much less a brain to remember things with, I am really not too
>enthused about this latter idea. And I really don't like the idea of
>posting someone's snail mail address on a website, even though they are
>granting me permission to do so. So, what would you do? Would you follow
>their wishes? Or suggest that they use the message boards that are
>connected with the county and/or surnames that they have the information
>for? Any other ideas that come to mind would be very appreciated. My
>sincere thanks in advance to each of you who respond.
>
>--
>Nance
>
>
>
>
>==== WIGEN Mailing List ====
>Celebrate Wisconsin!
>Visit the Washburn County WIGenWeb Project Pages
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashbu/
Hi fellow CCs,
Since the beginning of the time that I have been a CC, I've had a
surname page for each of my counties. This gives the visitors who have
information on specific surnames within each county the chance to
interact with others who may also be researching those family lines. I
recently received an email from a person who desires to share their
family information, but they do not have a personal email address and
only has online access through their work, which cannot be used for
personal business (even though they sent this initial email from it).
They are requesting that I list the surnames that they are researching
along with there home snail mail address, or for me to pass information
back and forth between them and whomever asks for the info. Since I
don't have a memory, much less a brain to remember things with, I am
really not too enthused about this latter idea. And I really don't like
the idea of posting someone's snail mail address on a website, even
though they are granting me permission to do so. So, what would you do?
Would you follow their wishes? Or suggest that they use the message
boards that are connected with the county and/or surnames that they have
the information for? Any other ideas that come to mind would be very
appreciated. My sincere thanks in advance to each of you who respond.
--
Nance
Sent last evening but haven't seen it appear.
T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina S Vickery" <tsvickery(a)adelphia.net>
To: <WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:28 PM
Subject: Fw: [USGW-Discuss] Bylaws Revision -- News
> I prefer to send the copy that appears on the State Coordinator list --
but
> for some reason, I am not in receipt of it there (but of responses to it,
so
> I will forward the -Discuss copy) ... FYI. One more to follow.
>
> Tina
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Swafford" <sagitta56(a)mchsi.com>
> To: <USGENWEB-DISCUSS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:01 PM
> Subject: [USGW-Discuss] Bylaws Revision -- News
>
>
> > (**Please forward to all appropriate project lists**)
> >
> > The Bylaws Revision Committee (BRC) has completed a first draft revision
> of
> > Section 1 of Article XI. State Projects.
> >
> > Section 1. The state web site shall include direct links to the
> > state's local and state-level special project sites, The USGenWeb
Project
> > national site, The USGenWeb Archives (Digital Library) and other
USGenWeb
> > Special Projects' national home pages, and The USGenWeb Archives
(Digital
> > Library) and other USGenWeb Special Projects' table of contents pages
for
> > the individual state. In addition, each state web site shall provide
> > information for current and prospective local coordinators, including
but
> > not limited to any state bylaws, guidelines and/or standards, official
> > national and state logos, and The USGenWeb Project Guidelines/Standards
> and
> > Copyright Information pages.
> >
> > Note - as mentioned in the last BRC report this article is being
> > restructured.
> >
> > All revision drafts may be viewed at http://home.mchsi.com/~sagitta56/
> >
> > Members are encouraged to send comments or questions related to this or
> > other revision drafts.
> >
> > Roger Swafford
> > BRC - Chairman
> >
> >
> > ==== USGENWEB-DISCUSS Mailing List ====
> > --Celebrate the USGenWeb Project! -- Can you identify?
> > What town is flooded? - Possibly on the Mohawk River - March 2, 1910
> > Alder St. North from Post Office
> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ny/graphics/postcards/flood1.jpg
> >
> > ==============================
> > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy
records,
> go to:
> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
> >
>
Sent last evening but haven't seen it appear.
T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina S Vickery" <tsvickery(a)adelphia.net>
To: <WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:34 PM
Subject: Fw: [USGW-Discuss] Bylaws Revision -- News
> I prefer to send the copy that appears on the State Coordinator list --
but
> for some reason, I am not in receipt of it there (but of responses to it,
so
> I will forward the -Discuss copy) ... FYI
>
> Tina
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Swafford" <sagitta56(a)mchsi.com>
> To: <USGENWEB-DISCUSS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:46 PM
> Subject: [USGW-Discuss] Bylaws Revision -- News
>
>
> > (**Please forward to all appropriate project lists**)
> >
> > The Bylaws Revision Committee (BRC) has completed a first draft revision
> of
> > Section 2 of Article XI. State Projects.
> >
> > Section 2. Each state shall have a State Coordinator (SC) elected
> > by majority of state members voting. A State Coordinator may not serve
> > more than 36 consecutive months unless re-elected. Each state shall
> > hold an election for State Coordinator every 36 months, or sooner if
> > specified by adopted state bylaws/rules.The State Coordinator, as
> > primary administrative officer of the state project shall appoint one
> > or more Assistant State Coordinator(s) (ASC) as necessary to assist in
> > administration of the state project. Assistant State Coordinators who
> > are "appointees" are not eligible to be a candidate or vote for a
> > candidate for the national office of State Coordinator Representative.
> >
> > Note - as mentioned in the last BRC report this article is being
> > restructured.
> >
> > All revision drafts may be viewed at http://home.mchsi.com/~sagitta56/
> >
> > Members are encouraged to send comments or questions related to this or
> > other revision drafts.
> >
> > Roger Swafford
> > BRC - Chairman
> >
> >
> > ==== USGENWEB-DISCUSS Mailing List ====
> > --Celebrate the USGenWeb Project! -- Can you identify?
> > What town is flooded? - Possibly on the Mohawk River - March 2, 1910
> > Grand St. North from "Opera House"
> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ny/graphics/postcards/flood2.jpg
> >
> > ==============================
> > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy
records,
> go to:
> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
> >
>
> I seem to remember someone mentioning a site that will check all of the
> links on your website to find broken links. Does anyone else remember
> this or have a site to suggest?
>
> Jenny
> Outagamie
Jenny,
I prefer Xenu - http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html
I can check 6000 plus links in about 15 minutes. It provides (if you so
choose) a list of broken links, redirected links, a site map and some other
features. Best of all, it's free.
------------------------------------------------------via webmail----
Tim Stowell
tstowell(a)chattanooga.net
Ellen,
When addressing me, I am prefer either Tina, or Mrs. Vickery. Ms. SC
is totally unacceptable.
I am going to address your concerns in order.
Manitowoc CC appointment. I had absolutely no part in this
appointment other than to ask if you were okay with it. It was
presented to me as a done deal by the prior CC, therefore my,
(perhaps assumption), was that you did not require assistance given
your response of "Yes". If you do require assistance, I certainly
will assist you.
Email response/refusal to present. You and I have corresponded on and
off recently regarding various USGenWeb and WIGenWeb issues. You
presented one question to me in your role as a member of the USGenWeb
Project By-laws Revision Committee in reference to specific
guidelines/bylaws of the WIGenWeb Project for a reference for your
work on BRC. I pointed you to
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/volunteer.html, and expressed that
in September, I would address the concerns that many have expressed.
I explained to you why. I thought you understood.
Tonight, I approached Ellen Pack, and once my role as Advisory Board
Representative to the Elections Committee has ended, and my role as
NENC State Coordinator Representative role to the USGenWeb Project
Advisory Board has ended, I will call for an election of State
Coordinator of the WIGenWeb Project to be conducted by the Elections
Committee. The decision to hold an election is correct. I had hoped
to do it for the right reasons. To be honest, I had hoped to
facilitate discussion and potential changes to the guidelines the
WIGenWeb Project operates under first, in response to many of the
issues that are arising now, and to protect the WIGenWeb Project that
even this girl from away loves in the future. If I had my druthers,
I would like to see an election held *at least* every two years, for
the position of State Coordinator only, with no term limit. I would
like to have the Assistant State Coordinator appointed by the SC, as
he or she has to work on a day to day basis with the State
Coordinator.
The other issue that you approached me about and I addressed to the
best of my ability was the question of the WIGenWeb Project obtaining
it's own server to host our pages. This is a much more complicated
issue, and I did not dismiss it but I wanted to present in an
intelligent, thoughtful way -- ie. not as a knee jerk reaction to
the topic of the day .. week .. I didn't think that unreasonable. I
asked you to provide specifics as to what you were proposing.
Ellen, as to my role outside of WIGenWeb Project, I have not
regretted anything I have done nor participated in. I work to the
best of my ability wherever I work.
I will not address the Ashland and Winnebago county sites further. I
acted in the best interests of the WIGenWeb Project and would do it
again in an instant.
Any other questions?
Tina
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ellen- (Genealogy)" <jeanealogist(a)hotmail.com>
To: <WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:43 AM
Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Ashland and Winnebago County contributions
> My response to Ms. Vickery's post is two fold.
> I thought long and hard before I posted this. I hope you all read exactly
> what I am saying rather than what you think I am saying.
>
> ----------------------------------
> As a incoming CC (for Manitowoc) I do not deserve nor should I have to
deal
> with the
> irresponsible, reprehensible behavior of a county coordinator that
> unexpectedly (and yes,
> contrary to popular belief, unexpectedly) removed the Manitowoc site from
> the project. With that said, I have not been given the courtesy of a
State
> Coordinator who even asked if I was okay with all of this or if I needed
any
> help. The responsibility fell on me solely without the help of a State
> Coordinator. A
> responsibility I do not enjoy, but one I accept and will do.
>
> Ms. SC...where was your obligation, responsibility or compassion last
> Tuesday when I needed your assistance in putting together a site for
> Manitowoc?
>
> Regardless of what people think my motives are behind what I say and what
I
> do, I would like to say that I have feelings too.
>
> Most everyone has assumed I am okay with this, but only one person has
> bothered to ask me how I really am...one person, and that one person was
not
> my SC.
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> My questions brought before this list were not intended to upset anyone.
> I am looking for answers to questions. Since our SC has not answered
> several of the emails I have emailed to her privately over the past few
> weeks, nor several emails sent to her by other CCs, I thought it in the
> interest of the WI GenWeb project to bring the concerns to the list.
>
> I don't understand the SCs actions/reactions to the chaotic state the
> WIGenWeb is in. I don't understand and really want to know what is going
> on. I hear one thing. I see another. Maybe our SC doesn't have any
> answers, but insisting people stop talking about things, just puts a
> negative vibe on it all. Almost as if something is being hidden. I am
> trying not to convince myself of that, but how will I ever know if I don't
> ask?
>
> My questions stem from the following:
> The WI SC is:
> 1) Helping one CC in a situation and not helping the other in the same
> situation.
> 2) Listed as CC for a county, but has stated elsewhere that someone else
is
> the coordinator.
> 3) Telling people to be respectful of others and has badmouthed a CC here
on
> the state list and also on the Winnebago county list, although that person
> is still active in the USGenWeb, a co-advisory board member with her, and
> has done a lot for the USGenWeb project in general.
> 4) Stating the WIGenWeb list is a place for discussions involving WIGenWeb
> issues and then outright telling me on two separate occasions in the last
> month not to bring certain items to the table for discussion.
>
> All I have to say is huh????
> Did I miss something? Doesn't anyone else see the double standards?
>
> Over the last few weeks I have seen the WI SC squash on more than one
> occasion the ability for CCs to discuss matters that yes...do concern the
> WIGenWeb, both publicly and privately. She has gone to the point that CCs
> are afraid to say anything on this list in fear of being moderated and
quite
> honestly in fear of having their sites taken away and kicked out from what
> they love doing most, helping the researcher. So they stay silent.
>
> Would the WI SC take a site away? No. I don't think so. But just the
fact
> that she has the power to make people think that, has me concerned.
> Perceived authority can be very dangerous and can undermine the core of an
> organization's existance.
>
> I don't speak for Jan, just as I am sure Rita doesn't speak for Tina. I
> speak for all the other volunteers here that are running scared because
they
> are afraid. Afraid to speak up, afraid of the unknown, and afraid of what
> is going to happen to all of their countless hours of works that they have
> put into their projects.
>
> Those fears cannot be eliminated when people aren't allowed to speak or
when
> their statements are condemned and bad mouthed by others in the project.
>
> I don't want this project to fail, but I sure the heck am finding little
> reason to continue to fight for an organization whose SC and AB member
does
> nothing more than hold a title or two and respect those that agree with
her
> position, but ignores and often disrepects anyone else who she has reason
> (whether warranted or not) to believe doesn't.
>
> Ellen- R.
>
> >From: "Tina S Vickery" <tsvickery(a)adelphia.net>
> >Reply-To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Ashland and Winnebago County contributions
> >Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:45:06 -0400
> >
> >This list is a business list for the WIGenWeb Project. I have always
> >advocated that this list is where we will discuss all matters having
> >to do with the WIGenWeb Project. This list is our way to communicate
> >with each other, and to work together. All WIGenWeb Project
> >volunteers are encouraged to use it for that purpose. That it will
> >not only answer a question that you may been struggling with, share a
> >resource that will be beneficial to all, but serve as a tool for us
> >all to work together. What is unspoken in the above is that it will
> >be done with respect to fellow volunteers. Perhaps it should be
> >spoken.
> >
> >The County Coordinator that resigned Ashland and Winnebago Counties
> >is still County Coordinator of Bayfield and Washura Counties, and
> >still subscribed to this list.
> >
> >The situation that I was faced with was total removal of 2 county
> >sites. Which unless I am totally missing a concept means that
> >"ARTICLE XI. LOCAL PROJECTS -- Section 4. If a Local Coordinator can
> >no longer perform their duties for any reason, those sections of the
> >website submitted or donated by contributors other than the website
> >coordinator, shall remain with the website, unless the
> >submitter(s)/contributor(s) indicates otherwise." is violated.
> >
> >This has been discussed extensively, and I fail to understand that
> >why, as your state coordinator, I am faulted for acting toward
> >facilitating the above stated bylaw. When county site(s) disappear
> >it is my job and my responsibility to take whatever pro active action
> >I can in the best interests of the WIGenWeb Project and the USGenWeb
> >Project, to place that county back on-line, with the above bylaw in
> >mind.
> >
> >The new County Coordinator of Winnebago County is Paula Vaughn. Her
> >name is and has been on http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/winnebago/.
> >Her name is not on the counties list for two very important reasons.
> >Most importantly being that due to the unexpectedness (and yes,
> >contrary to popular belief, unexpectedness) of the removal of these
> >two county sites the site is currently housed in a directory of
> >~wigenweb. And secondly, quite honestly the incoming cc does not
> >deserve nor should have to deal with irresponsible, reprehensible
> >behavior of a county coordinator that has acted in such a manner.
> >That responsibility falls to me as State Coordinator. A
> >responsibility I do not enjoy, but one I accept and will do.
> >
> >If any of you have further questions as to my actions as your State
> >Coordinator, please ask either on this list respectfully or privately
> >to me (respectfully). I will do my best to address your concerns.
> >
> >Tina
> >
> >
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> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwausha/wsctweb.html
> >
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I seem to remember someone mentioning a site that will check all of the
links on your website to find broken links. Does anyone else remember this
or have a site to suggest?
Jenny
Outagamie
I wasn't aware that anything was actually being discussed, but I apologize for
my disrespect and will refrain from futher comments of this nature. Rita -
Oconto County
joan benner wrote:
> At 12:07 PM 8/12/03 -0400, you wrote:
> >Will someone wake me when Ellen is done with her "last word"? Thank
> >goodness for the delete button.
> >Rita - Oconto County
> -----------------
> Only yesterday Tina, our mailing list admin, placed the following message,
> advocating discussion of all matters related to the WiGenWeb Project AND
> respect on our mailing list for fellow volunteers. May I add, that respect
> should include when others' opinions do not agree with ours or the SC? Each
> member of this team needs to filter the fact from the fiction and
> attempting to silence opinions contrary to our own does not serve the long
> term best interests (ie survival and growth) of the Project. A Project that
> used to be/might still be a Democracy.
>
> Ellen and others have stated facts, perhaps facts that are not pleasant for
> some to learn about or have revealed to those on the list, but facts
> nonetheless that do concern all of us, and our SC. Each team member has an
> opinion and/or questions and concerns, and deserves to be heard, and not
> have the fear of being criticized on this mailing list because they dared
> to publicly disagree or question.
>
> While you are free to hit delete or to criticize me next for daring to
> speak up, sending messages like your criticism of Ellen to our mailing list
> is not symbolic of the respectful conduct our SC has requested. Could we
> please control our tempers and treat one another with kindness, allowing
> each member of the Project to make up their own minds on the issues and
> personalities at hand...AND to hear everyone's opinions and questions?
>
> *Respectfully Submitted*,
>
> Joan
>
> P.S. Tina, I am still waiting for a response to my messages sent to you Aug
> 5 and Aug 10 regarding the intent and wording of ARTICLE XI. LOCAL PROJECTS
> -- Section 4.
> - - - - - - - -
> "From: "Tina S Vickery" <tsvickery(a)adelphia.net>
> Reply-To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Ashland and Winnebago County contributions
> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:45:06 -0400
>
> This list is a business list for the WIGenWeb Project. I have always
> advocated that this list is where we will discuss all matters having
> to do with the WIGenWeb Project. This list is our way to communicate
> with each other, and to work together. All WIGenWeb Project
> volunteers are encouraged to use it for that purpose. That it will
> not only answer a question that you may been struggling with, share a
> resource that will be beneficial to all, but serve as a tool for us
> all to work together. What is unspoken in the above is that it will
> be done with respect to fellow volunteers. Perhaps it should be
> spoken.
>
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> Visit the Waushara County WIGenWeb Project Pages
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwausha/wsctweb.html
Tina and all,
Isn't this exactly the situation that the new bylaw was
supposed to address? Would it have been difficult for
the last coordinator to keep up the general pages until
a new coordinator was found? The old coordinator would
be free to remove whatever genealogical information
they had personally extracted and posted, but to leave
all of the links, community information, etc. would
certainly have been polite.
Of course, I'm not going to argue that having the rule
in place would guarantee that this problem would
disappear, but to state the expectation is a step
toward finding a solution.
How do I feel about the proposed bylaw? I could see
that the concerns being raised were possible, but then
checking the copyright clause on the bottom of all my
pages, and weighing what a class-action lawsuit with
every single CC from the USGenWeb as plaintiffs would
cost Ancestry if they did decide to try to charge for
our information (and believe me, I'd be leading the
charge in that lawsuit if Ancestry did try a stunt like
that), I decided it was extremely unlikely.
Roxanne
St. Croix CC
-----Original Message-----
From: Tina S Vickery [mailto:tsvickery@adelphia.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:46 PM
To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [WIGEN-L] Ashland and Winnebago County sites
Hi all,
I came home this evening to two county sites totally
taken down.
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At 08:45 PM 8/11/03 -0400, you wrote:
>This list is a business list for the WIGenWeb Project. I have always
>advocated that this list is where we will discuss all matters having
>to do with the WIGenWeb Project. This list is our way to communicate
>with each other, and to work together. All WIGenWeb Project
>volunteers are encouraged to use it for that purpose. That it will
>not only answer a question that you may been struggling with, share a
>resource that will be beneficial to all, but serve as a tool for us
>all to work together. What is unspoken in the above is that it will
>be done with respect to fellow volunteers. Perhaps it should be
>spoken.
>
>The County Coordinator that resigned Ashland and Winnebago Counties
>is still County Coordinator of Bayfield and Washura Counties, and
>still subscribed to this list.
>
>The situation that I was faced with was total removal of 2 county
>sites. Which unless I am totally missing a concept means that
>"ARTICLE XI. LOCAL PROJECTS -- Section 4. If a Local Coordinator can
>no longer perform their duties for any reason, those sections of the
>website submitted or donated by contributors other than the website
>coordinator, shall remain with the website, unless the
>submitter(s)/contributor(s) indicates otherwise." is violated.
>
>This has been discussed extensively, and I fail to understand that
>why, as your state coordinator, I am faulted for acting toward
>facilitating the above stated bylaw. When county site(s) disappear
>it is my job and my responsibility to take whatever pro active action
>I can in the best interests of the WIGenWeb Project and the USGenWeb
>Project, to place that county back on-line, with the above bylaw in
>mind.
Folks,
As a state coordinator myself (Georgia) I know well, and unfortunately
too often what Tina speaks of.
I've had counties vanish, never to return, along with their coordinators,
leaving me wondering if the spaceships had landed and taken them away.
We once had a CC's ISP go belly up without warning and we are still recovering
data - 2 years later from the 9 counties that disappeared in a flash.
It is not a fun task to rebuild sites - recover data, links and so forth
that disappear when a site goes off line with no warning. Even if one
has a template, it's not a walk in the park.
Having been there done that, I know well the frustration the SC feels
when this occurs.
Tim Stowell
Crawford / Richland