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Lori of Rock County, could you please contact me? I sent you a church
history item for your site a few days ago and haven't heard from you. I'd
like to make sure you received it, and my message wasn't lost to an ISP's
spam filter somewhere.
Thanks,
Joan
Adams and Marquette CC
FYI.
Tina
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Swafford" <sagitta56(a)mchsi.com>
To: <STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:24 AM
Subject: [STATE-COORD] Bylaws Revision -- News
> (**Please forward to all appropriate project lists**)
>
> The Bylaws Revision Committee (BRC) has completed a first draft revision
of
> Section 3 of Article XV. Amendment to Bylaws
>
> Section 3. Proposed amendments from state projects must be posted
> for display on the national website (with attribution of the state sponsor
> and date ) not later than 1 June. To qualify for placement on the annual
> election ballot proposed amendments must have an additional four (4)
states
> as co-sponsors. State projects may co-sponsor an amendment proposal by 2/3
> majority of legal votes cast by its members to support the amendment.
>
> All revision drafts may be viewed at http://home.mchsi.com/~sagitta56/
>
> Members are encouraged to send comments or questions related to this or
> other revision drafts.
>
> **The BRC is seeking a volunteer to fill a vacancy on the committee.
> Interested members please contact the National Coordinator or the BRC
> Chairman.
>
> Roger Swafford
> BRC - Chairman
>
Fond du Lac county GenWeb has added an 1896 map of the civil war to it's
website.
It was donated to the site by a Fond du Lac family, who had kept the map
because a family member was in the campaign.
Handwriting on the map indicates that it was created for a lecture on
Gettysburg, given March 18th, 1897 by Gen. Briant (Dean of University of
Wisconsin)
There are two parts to the map:
1 map is labeled "Potomac Campaigns of the Third Wisconsin Vol. Infantry
The 2nd map is the Battlefield of Gettysburg, Showing the Movements of
the 12th Army Corps.
Thanks to the Whelan family for this donation.
You can find a link to the map, on the Fond du Lac map page:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wifonddu/resources/maps-x.html
or go directly to
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wifonddu/resources/maps/civilwar.html
Tracy Reinhardt
Fond du Lac and Winnebago Co. Genweb
At 06:08 PM 12/10/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I based what I presented to the group very much on the MDGenWeb Project
>Guidelines (with the permission of the SC). I visited many XXGenWeb Project
>guidelines and felt that MDGenWeb Project's incorporated a wonderful basis
>for us to begin our discussions. http://www.mdgenweb.org/guidelines.htm
>
>Tim, thank you for sharing GAGenWeb Project's.
>
>Tina
Please be aware that Georgia's Guidelines are not perfect. A year or so
under them, the CCs agreed that there were some that needed tweaking or
further defining.
The first item is to eliminate any conflicts with the National Bylaws.
Secondly, a Bill of Rights for the CCs is being added.
Lastly, each Guideline will be reviewed, further explaining exactly what it
means as items may have come up where the meaning wasn't clear enough.
As time progresses I'm sure newly revised guidelines will also need to be
reviewed for while we'd like to think we can anticipate every possible
scenario, the reality is we can't.
Tim
Sounds like a good plan of action to me.
Paula
Waupaca County Coordinator
WIGenWeb Project
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm
>From: "Carolyn Caflisch" <ccaflisch(a)cvtv.net>
>Reply-To: ccaflisch(a)cvtv.net
>To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Comments in General
>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:33:19 -0600 (CST)
>
> > <snipped>It may or may not interest you to see how CCs in another state
>have
> > guidelines
> > under which they operate - voted upon by the CCs:
> >
> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/guidelines.htm
> >
> > Tim
> > SC GAGenWeb
>================================
>I think everyone should take a look at what Tim sent us. Here is where we
>should start.
>Why reinvent something that is already a sound guideline.
>These can be addressed by category one at a time and become our WIGenWeb
>guidelines after discussion and tweaking. But lets do it after the first
>of January - Christmas is fast approaching and that is where my spirit
>lies.
>
>Carolyn
>
>Happy Holidays to you all!!
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> <snipped>It may or may not interest you to see how CCs in another state
have
> guidelines
> under which they operate - voted upon by the CCs:
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/guidelines.htm
>
> Tim
> SC GAGenWeb
================================
I think everyone should take a look at what Tim sent us. Here is where we
should start.
Why reinvent something that is already a sound guideline.
These can be addressed by category one at a time and become our WIGenWeb
guidelines after discussion and tweaking. But lets do it after the first
of January - Christmas is fast approaching and that is where my spirit
lies.
Carolyn
Happy Holidays to you all!!
Thanks Tim-I'll take a look.
Paula
Waupaca County Coordinator
WIGenWeb Project
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwaupac/index.htm
>From: Tim Stowell <tstowell(a)chattanooga.net>
>Reply-To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Comments in General
>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:36:02 -0500
>
>At 01:54 PM 12/7/03 -0600, Paula wrote:
> >Has there been a problem in the past on the way our voting system is set
>up?
> >Has the system been one vote per cc no matter how many counties they were
>cc
> >of and no vote for co-cc's? If this is how is has been I would like to
>see
> >it kept that way.
> >
> >Tina- stated in a previous email "Some states have TC - Town Coordinators
>-
> >should we address this in case it comes up in the future." I would
>suggest
> >any decision we decide upon for the co-cc's should also apply to any Town
> >Coordinators.
> >
> ><snipped> from another of Tina's emails Thus my "Each member may cast one
> >vote only (no matter the number of county or topical sites hosted)."
> >
> >By wording it each member, wouldn't that read to mean each cc, co-cc or
>town
> >cc would have a vote?
>
>It may or may not interest you to see how CCs in another state have
>guidelines
>under which they operate - voted upon by the CCs:
>
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/guidelines.htm
>
>Tim
>SC GAGenWeb
>
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At 01:54 PM 12/7/03 -0600, Paula wrote:
>Has there been a problem in the past on the way our voting system is set up?
>Has the system been one vote per cc no matter how many counties they were cc
>of and no vote for co-cc's? If this is how is has been I would like to see
>it kept that way.
>
>Tina- stated in a previous email "Some states have TC - Town Coordinators -
>should we address this in case it comes up in the future." I would suggest
>any decision we decide upon for the co-cc's should also apply to any Town
>Coordinators.
>
><snipped> from another of Tina's emails Thus my "Each member may cast one
>vote only (no matter the number of county or topical sites hosted)."
>
>By wording it each member, wouldn't that read to mean each cc, co-cc or town
>cc would have a vote?
It may or may not interest you to see how CCs in another state have guidelines
under which they operate - voted upon by the CCs:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/guidelines.htm
Tim
SC GAGenWeb
At 11:53 AM 12/7/03 -0600, Joan wrote:
>We might get a great cc from a local society but then again, maybe not.
>
>As Nance worded so well yesterday, many of the county genealogy and
>historical societies regard us as the "wicked internet woman/man" and have
>some degree of competitive attitudes. Perhaps they fear we will put
>everything on the internet they've indexed and no one will contact them
>again to do research for $, and they will lose their *tight control* of the
>data in *their* county. For this reason a local resident applying for a
>site who has not been a contributor to boards and sites in the area should
>be a big yellow caution light in the minds of the decision-makers.
>
>I can think of several counties where the WiGenWeb site was done by a local
>resident and it was a store-front for a genealogy or historical society
>with not alot of content on the pages or boards. In one WI county now
>lacking a cc, any contributors were contacted by the pair of "volunteers"
>and strongly discouraged from contributing to the messageboards or webpages
>for the county, being told it was a big waste of time and they ought to
>find another hobby, etc.
However, I will say that it has been my experience where GenSocs or Historical
societies cooperate with the CC, that it has been a win/win situation.
When folks write to thank me for material on my website and wish to
contribute $$, I say, thanks but no thanks - not that I'm wealthy by any
standard in the USA, but instead ask that they contribute such to the local
society or do a good deed for another researcher. That's thanks enough for
me.
I also actively encourage membership in the local societies by listmembers.
Perhaps I've shared this before - but when one CC approached a local society
about adding the indexes of one of their books online, they agreed on a
trial basis; their book sales took off; so much so that they said - hey can
you add the rest of our material - which the CC gladly did.
The society was so impressed by the positive response that they mentioned the
same at the state convention whereupon the state convention contacted us and
fairly begged us to do the same for the other societies across the state of
North Dakota.
But not only there - I've heard much the same response in different parts of
the country.
Just 2 cents worth.
Tim
At 08:18 AM 12/7/03 -0600, you wrote:
>I need to clarify my comment about county co-ordinators before it goes
>any further.
>
>Please don't read between the lines. I never stated that residing in
>your county should be a requirement!
>
>I was bringing up a topic as one of many things that should be thought
>about, if we are going to adjust or discuss voting....this is an issue
>that someone might bring up to be voted upon...
>
>And, my comment was made because...when someone resigns from a county
>site, often members of that county genealogical society sometimes are
>unaware that the site is up for adoption. Recruitment of new cc's
>should START with the local society. That was the only intent of my
>comment, because I feel strongly that they have access to more material..
True. Sometimes though, GenSocs want to control the county site so they
can prevent material from being added - for they want to sell the data
to visitors.
>And, it is very logical to state that a local resident is much more
>effective.......there are many genealogical materials available at a
>local level, that are not handy to a county co-ordinator who resides in
>a different state.
True, but there are also many resources held by former residents that like
myself live from from the county I host who share and share and share.
In fact I've found most of my material outside of the counties I host, some
that residents of the county didn't even know existed - or that was available
only if folks visited the local library.
That's the flip side.
>I get emails from out-of-state researchers, who travel here on vacation,
>and I help and assist them, even take them directly to the cemetery that
>they are looking for, if it is one I am familiar with.
I do as well, so I ask on the county mailing list and send the information to
the folks asking.
>Once again, wondering if it pays to participate in this list.
>
>tracy reinhardt
Yes, it does - for I don't expect in this lifetime to know it
all - and so I rely on the knowledge of others to fill in the
gaps of my experience or first hand knowledge regarding Wisconsin
and/or coding difficulties that arise from time to time.
Tim
The snow has arrived. We just got 2-3 inches and more on the way later
tonight. Its starting to look alot like Christmas. And with a little luck
the snow will stay and the snowmobile trails will open before soon.
Merry Christmas
Judy
----- Original Message -----
From: "RMN" <ocontogal2000(a)yahoo.com>
To: <WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: 08 December, 2003 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Voting criteria
They are predicting cold and wet headed your way starting midweek. With
luck, it
will come in that order. If not, it may be the "mush" mobile races. Got my
fingers crossed for you.
Rita
FYI.
Tina
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Swafford" <sagitta56(a)mchsi.com>
To: <STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:29 PM
Subject: [STATE-COORD] Bylaws Revision -- News
> (**Please forward to all appropriate project lists**)
>
> The Bylaws Revision Committee (BRC) has completed a first draft revision
of
> Section 2 of Article XV. Amendment to Bylaws
>
> Section 2. Members of any XXGenWeb may submit an amendment proposal
> (in proper format with desired wording) to their State Coordinator for
> review and presentation to the XXGenWeb membership by referendum. A 2/3
vote
> of approval shall cause the proposal to be forwarded to the Advisory Board
> to be posted on the national website and notice to be sent to the
membership
> via appropriate email lists.
>
> All revision drafts may be viewed at http://home.mchsi.com/~sagitta56/
>
> Members are encouraged to send comments or questions related to this or
> other revision drafts.
>
> **The BRC is seeking a volunteer to fill a vacancy on the committee.
> Interested members please contact the National Coordinator or the BRC
> Chairman.
>
> Roger Swafford
> BRC - Chairman
>
LOL Mak, you did get it wrong! Debbie Barrett (me) of Pierce County lives in Washington. Aren't you just south of me in CA?
Debbie
> sorry wrong Debie - and it wasn't menat for the
> Mailing list - yikes... R/S MAK
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In a message dated 12/9/2003 1:16:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tsvickery(a)adelphia.net writes:
Judy, My final total was 20 inches at my home in Maine .. I will share all
but a foot -- I do love a White Christmas! I am sure Anne in CT has more
than I to share .. Lots of snow, but today shown bright!
Tina
Anne, checking in and plowed out....LOL....we had about the same as Maine...
a little west of me and they had 24"! We have had the driveway professionally
plowed -- the 5th time in the 10 years I've been in Connecticut! We're
usually hard-core snow blowers & shovelers, but this time it was a tad much. BUT
the mailbox did stay up... the big state plows on this narrow town road usually
pick it off 5 times a season -- if I could send snow your way, I would! Here
in CT it is usually gone in about 3 or 4 days... we seldom have a white
Christmas in my neck of the woods... last year, the only Christmas snows we had
were when I had to retrieve/take family to Logan in Boston... and the moon was so
bright and beautiful last night -- crisp. clear, oh-- and COLD!
And I do remember the snowmobile races in Rhinelander/Eagle River, and for
Northern WI and UP to be snowless must really be hurting the economy...
Back to shoveling off the deck....
Anne
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And my current projects are:
WELCOME to SHAWANO CO. WIGenWeb
WELCOME TO THE GILMANTON NH ANCESTORS SITE
CONNECTICUT BIOGRAPHIES PROJECT
Shawano County Wisconsin Biographies
Langlade County Wisconsin Biographies
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I have been following the discussion on voting and would like to add another
option to consider.
a) Eligible Voters are County Coordinators, Asst. County Coordinators and
Co-Coordinators, each person having only one vote regardless of the number
of counties they coordinate or help coordinate.
b) Each county may have a Coordinator & Asst. Coordinator or two
co-coordinators. (limit of 2 people per county). There are no limits on
the number of other volunteers envolved but they are not eligible to vote.
Some counties would still have 2 votes this way; but at least all county
coordinators who coordinate more than one county would have the option to
find a ACC or co-coordinator for each county who would be able to represent
that county with a vote.
Maybe this would also encourage more people to become envolved in the
WIGenWeb project.
respectfully
Judy (Iron, Oneida, Vilas counties)
P.S. if any CC who does not live in Wisconsin has to much snow please send
it here, especially to Iron County, they don't have enough for the
snowmobile races on Saturday.
Debbie - I didn't realize you lived in Washington -
For some reason, I thought you lived in Sheboygan -
(grin)...
I am right there with you, Paula, and Joan - but I
guess we have to have some guidelines - I didn't know
anything back then either - WOW - we have learned a
lot since then - hang in there - this too shall
pass...
R/S MAK
--- Debbie Barrett <mrsgrinnin(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi:
>
> As one of the cc's who probably lives as far from
> her county as you can without having your hat float
> (I'm in Seattle, Washington and host the Pierce
> County site), I can say that distance from the
> county has nothing to do with a person's ability to
> service that county. With over 650 pages of
> material online, transcribed about 90% by me, myself
> and I, on my own time, using my own money to obtain
> materials, I would put my site up against just about
> anyone's who resides in their hosted county. It
> isn't a matter of distance, it's a matter of
> willingness to work and see the project succeed.
>
> And I'm with Paula, when I began working for the
> project in 1997, I didn't have a clue how to build a
> website, make a graphic, etc (I was just about bald
> before I figured out FTP). I didn't know how I
> would get the materials I needed, I just knew that I
> would, period. Had the guidelines expected me to
> know more than I did then, I would not have been
> allowed to be a coordinator and the talents and
> skills that I have acquired in the intervening years
> would never have been put to use.
>
> So sorry, I can't agree at all with the requirement
> that the cc live within the boundaries of their
> hosted county. And, although I agree in some
> respects that a coordinator should only have one
> county at a time, that certainly doesn't mean people
> can't. There are plenty of coordinators who host
> more than one county and do a fine job. Once again
> it all comes down to their willingness to do work
> hard that defines their success as a coordinator.
>
> Debbie Barrett
> Coordinator
> Pierce County WIGenWeb Project
> www.rootsweb.com/~wipierce/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paula Vaughan
> To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 2:38 PM
> Subject: [WIGEN-L] On Selecting Future
> Coordinators
>
>
> I know there has to be some kind of process or way
> to select a coordinator
> but I hope it doesn't become so strict that it
> leaves someone who may do a
> very great job is not given the opportunity. With
> the present recommended
> quidelines - I would most likely not be selected
> as a county coordinator as
> when I first became I knew nothing about websites,
> had no previous
> experience in any GenWeb Project, and do not live
> in the county I am the cc
> for (but do alot of reserach there and live close)
> but I did have the time
> and willingness to learn and I think I have done a
> decent job and I keep
> learning and trying. So I do hope the "screening"
> does not get to strict
> either.
>
> Paula
> WaupacaCC
>
>
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These are good points from Anne. I believe they are each separate issues to be looked
at independently. It is too hard to lump things into one big mess and try to come out
with a general consensus, especially when these are separate responsibilities. Please
consider:
* One CC, one vote is the first, or not? - regardless of your own thoughts, it is an
independent issue.
* Co-CC, one vote or 2 (or 3 or 5....).? "Co" means combined and "cooperative" here,
as it does with other leadership positions. Co chair people act as one person. It is
the work of one person, whether there are 2 or 1000 people contributing to that one
person's work, it is still one person , one coordinator. How the one vote delegated to
that one person is handled should be decided between the people who make up the work of
that person, since any combination of people is possible.
So if S.W. Winky has 4 counties to coordinate, and two of those counties have co-
coordinators, there is still one vote under Winky. This S.W. is responsible for
coordinating how that vote is decided.
These folks have decided on all working as one, then they decide on their own as to how
that one will vote. This type of autonomy is important in independent cooperative
efforts, especially on a county level. I suggest one vote per person, with the combined
leadership of that one vote deciding on it's own as to how to cast that one vote. In the
matter of one person and several counties, it is the same. That person(s) is in
leadership of those volunteers working as him or her. That person will coordinate how
the one vote is decided, and cast that vote accordingly. It is part of the county
"coordinator"s' job. This responsibility to lead goes with the territory.
Just thinking;
Rita
Czaplewska(a)aol.com wrote:
> If a CC hosts 2 counties and only gets one vote, how do you address the issue
> of 2 CC's hosting a county? I can appreciate Rita's comment on if you own
> more than one property, you get only one vote -- makes sense.... BUT, if I do
> the work and maintain 2 counties, I feel both counties should get an equal vote
> as just one county... it just doesn't seem fair that a CC with 2+ counties can
> only have 1 vote, but a CC that shares a county with someone else, can
> literally get 2 votes for that county.... while the first CC's second county doesn't
> get a vote at all.....Fair would be each county=1 vote... 72 counties = 72
> votes -- one could stuff a ballot box with Co-CC's each getting a vote, meaning
> I could have 5 counties and get an additional 1 or 2 Co-CC's for each county -
> my friends or relatives of course - and have a total of 6 - 11 votes cast for
> the cause I believe in = could have changed the outcome of the past elections
> drastically.
>
> How do you handle Co-CC's in the election? Counties that have Co-CC's work
> out the details for their websites in agreement -- they could also work out how
> that county will cast its vote...i.e. they agree or voting is rotated between
> them...
>
> It just wouldn't be right for me to ask for a Co-CC and pick up an extra vote
> in the elections... this is not directed toward any county, but hubby does
> help with the Shawano site -- does he get a vote now? and what about Shawano
> volunteers? do I get to co-host with them, too and they each pick up a vote?
>
> Something to think about......
> Anne
> Shawano CC
>
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