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Hi Rita,
I will answer the questions in the "volunteer's" letter as I am able:
First, the "Pre-1907" indexes were created by the State Vital Records
office in Madison, not the WPA which was active back in the 30s-early
40s. The indexes were computer-generated and funding ran out before they
could finish the marriage index. That is why it only covers Adams to
part of Racine Cos. Yes, the indexes are chock full of errors and
omissions, but as you all know, they are still very useful.
I have asked the "where is the computer file" question of Paul Hedges,
current webmaster of the State Historical Society. The question was
asked in the context of the Society's consideration to post the marriage
indexes currently being compiled for the "missed" counties of Racine
through Wood on their web site. He said, very chagrined, that the
Society had looked into using the computer files and learned that they
had been thrown out by the State Vital Records office. A great pity.
Now, as to Oconto Co. reels. First, if the volunteer is in Oshkosh, they
can go to the Area Research Center of the SHSW at UW-Oshkosh, Forrest R.
Polk Library, 800 Algoma Blvd., Oshkosh, WI 54901 (920) 424-0828. Oconto
Co. is not within this ARC's territory, but records from Oconto (which
are housed at the UW-Green Bay ARC) can be transferred to Oshkosh within
a week or two. They will have film readers the volunteer can use. The
Green Bay ARC, (920) 465-2539, should have copies of the Oconto marriage
films. They may only have one set though, so a phone call to find out if
they will loan them to Oshkosh would be wise. The transfer should be
requested early enough to be delivered before Spring Break. All the ARCs
pretty much shut down during breaks since most are on UW campuses.
I am not familiar with any way to purchase copies of WI vital records
films. I am fairly certain this would be illegal.
The State Historical Society in Madison has copies of the Oconto films,
but they are not available through interlibrary loan and are also not
loaned to the ARCs. Also, as someone already mentioned, these films are
available via the Family History Centers. The GSU did the original
filming and so has copies.
Last, I would suggest the volunteer contact Judy Vezzetti
<vezzetti(a)facstaff.wisc.edu>. She is spear-heading the marriage indexing
project for the "missing" counties. I know her ultimate goal is to "fix"
the available Pre-1907 marriage indexes as well. I'm sure the volunteer
would be interested in learning the format that Judy has been using (very
complete).
Best of luck!
Dawn M. Knauft, CGRS
Coordinator, Dane Co. WiGenWeb
http://www.rootsweb.com/~widane
WiSearch, Professional Genealogical Research
http://www.wisearch.net
>From: zorblitz(a)mindspring.com (zorblitz)
>To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Hello All,
>
>I received this letter yesterday, and would really like some input on
>the many pertainent and complicated questions asked here, as I am no
>expert. I believe that this is of general interest and use to most on
>this list and I would like to give the best reply possible, because we
>all know that " a motivated volunteer is a terrible thing to waste".
>Thank you so much! Rita - Oconto CC
>Hi!
>
>I was excited to see that someone else looked at those crazy pre-1907
>marriage fiche too!
>
>This may sound like a stupid question and I suppose that I could hunt
>down the right "older" person at the Historical Society, but the
>information on the fiche was generated by a computer in the 1980s???.
>Where is that data now? Why would someone have to retype that in. I
>kind of figure it has to be on some old mainframe on the UW Madison
>campus and has not been touched in years, but is on a big tape at the
>Historical Society that they would have to load on some machine. The
>computer people should then be able to export it to a text file that
>could be read by a word processor and loaded to the various webs.
>What do you know about this?
>
>
>Now, I personally have a problem with the information on the fiche AND
>since you are "in charge" of Oconto Co. maybe you could help me with
>one of my crazy ideas! It appears that some of my relatives are not
>listed in the index, but when I go to the actual rolls of film, they
>are there and the film is quite readable. What I would like to
>o ---- and I'm not too sure how fast I could do it -- or where to
>start, would be to create a database of the information found on the
>records from the 2 rolls of Oconto Co. Marriage Licenses (pre-1907).
>
>1. Do you have copies of the rolls that UW GB has that I could
>borrow?
>2. If not, do you know who does?
>3. Are copies available for sale?
>4. Do you know who might have a film reader that I might
>borrow/rent during spring break? (March 17-25)
>
>
>Getting the film to Oshkosh is my first priority. I would like to
>work starting in March, preferably at home, but I could always take my
>laptop computer with me to the public library or create paper forms
>(ugh).
>
>I found all sorts of information on the actual licenses that helped me
>trace spouses and other information on women's married and maiden
>names. If it were in a database, it could be sorted by church,
>minister, dates, birthplaces, as well as searched by names.....
>parents, bridesmaids, etc.
>
>So, what do you think? Can you help????
>
>Kathy
On the good side, however, it is likely anything typed on a computer in 1984
can be retrieved through DOS as the simplest of text. I'm trying to think
back to the year... my first computer was the TRS 80 (I think that was it),
and if the data could actually be retrieved (the questionable part), it
should be readable in DOS by using the "type" or "edit" command. I think
that computer had the 8" floppies. My next computer... TI 99/A by Texas
Instruments read all the data onto cassette tapes, which I still have. Until
only about 3 months ago, I was the official 5 1/4" floppy disk reader in our
office because I still had the drive. Fortunately... I finally got my new
computer too, and am still figuring out why I need 2 CDROM drives. I must
have missed the original post :/
Kelly
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MAK [mailto:makkuehl@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 12:13 PM
> To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [WIGEN-L] why retype the list???
>
>
> For re-typing in information, if done on a computer in the early 1980s or
> prior, then it might have been keypunched in. Personal computers weren't
> readily available, until about 1984. And it was a 8088 processor
> with 5 1/2
> inch floppies. Not only would the computer storage disk be out
> of date, but
> all the software it was probably written in.
>
> THINK ABOUT IT... Kinda like asking why we can't get the Black
> and White TV
> programs before the color TV was on the market, about the early
> 1960s! (grin)
> R/S MAK
>
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For re-typing in information, if done on a computer in the early 1980s or
prior, then it might have been keypunched in. Personal computers weren't
readily available, until about 1984. And it was a 8088 processor with 5 1/2
inch floppies. Not only would the computer storage disk be out of date, but
all the software it was probably written in.
THINK ABOUT IT... Kinda like asking why we can't get the Black and White TV
programs before the color TV was on the market, about the early 1960s! (grin)
R/S MAK
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Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about the military homes
and locations. It is great to see everyone so willing to help another CC.
Hope you all have a great weekend,
Debie
The big veteran's home in Wisconsin is at King, in Waupaca County.
----- Original Message -----
From: Debie & Joe <sebring(a)excel.net>
To: <WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 8:26 PM
Subject: [WIGEN-L] Military Home Question
> Hi all,
> I am hoping someone on this list can help me out. I am in the middle of a
> project and within the listing are alot of civil war vets who are listed as
> residing in the "National Home" and some listed as residing in the
> "Wisconsin Veterans Home". Does anyone have any idea where these two places
> are located and perhaps in what county, if the National one is even in our
> state?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Debie
>
>
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> http://www.rootsweb.com/~wicalume/
>
>
Hello All,
I received this letter yesterday, and would really like some input on
the many pertainent and complicated questions asked here, as I am no
expert. I believe that this is of general interest and use to most on
this list and I would like to give the best reply possible, because we
all know that " a motivated volunteer is a terrible thing to waste".
Thank you so much! Rita - Oconto CC
Hi!
I was excited to see that someone else looked at those crazy pre-1907
marriage fiche too!
This may sound like a stupid question and I suppose that I could hunt
down the right "older" person at the Historical Society, but the
information on the fiche was generated by a computer in the 1980s???.
Where is that data now? Why would someone have to retype that in. I
kind of figure it has to be on some old mainframe on the UW Madison
campus and has not been touched in years, but is on a big tape at the
Historical Society that they would have to load on some machine. The
computer people should then be able to export it to a text file that
could be read by a word processor and loaded to the various webs.
What do you know about this?
Now, I personally have a problem with the information on the fiche AND
since you are "in charge" of Oconto Co. maybe you could help me with
one of my crazy ideas! It appears that some of my relatives are not
listed in the index, but when I go to the actual rolls of film, they
are there and the film is quite readable. What I would like to
o ---- and I'm not too sure how fast I could do it -- or where to
start, would be to create a database of the information found on the
records from the 2 rolls of Oconto Co. Marriage Licenses (pre-1907).
1. Do you have copies of the rolls that UW GB has that I could
borrow?
2. If not, do you know who does?
3. Are copies available for sale?
4. Do you know who might have a film reader that I might
borrow/rent during spring break? (March 17-25)
Getting the film to Oshkosh is my first priority. I would like to
work starting in March, preferably at home, but I could always take my
laptop computer with me to the public library or create paper forms
(ugh).
I found all sorts of information on the actual licenses that helped me
trace spouses and other information on women's married and maiden
names. If it were in a database, it could be sorted by church,
minister, dates, birthplaces, as well as searched by names.....
parents, bridesmaids, etc.
So, what do you think? Can you help????
Kathy
If you go to the city hall, they can give you a complete print out of who is
buried there. If you give them the name Collins they can print that out and
it will tell each Collins buried there. We did this for my husband's family
and found more relatives then we were looking for.
Paula
WaupacaCC
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Hi Debie,
The Wisconsin home is located in King, WI. If I remember correctly, this is
up the eastern coast line of WI near Sheboygan.
Thanks!
Peggy Perry
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----- Original Message -----
From: Debie & Joe <sebring(a)excel.net>
To: <WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 8:26 PM
Subject: [WIGEN-L] Military Home Question
> Hi all,
> I am hoping someone on this list can help me out. I am in the middle of a
> project and within the listing are alot of civil war vets who are listed
as
> residing in the "National Home" and some listed as residing in the
> "Wisconsin Veterans Home". Does anyone have any idea where these two
places
> are located and perhaps in what county, if the National one is even in our
> state?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Debie
>
>
> ==== WIGEN Mailing List ====
> Visit the Calumet County WIGenWeb Project Pages
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~wicalume/
>
>
Hello Everyone-
The Waupaca County Historical Society is gathering information about all 130
old rural schools in the county. Photographs, graduation lists, school board
records & minutes, and personal recollections are being sought from the
former students and teachers. These materials will be considered for a
possible inclusion in a forthcoming book. If you have historical information
or other related items, or would like to contribute you personal
recollections, please contact Donald Hanson at (920) 244-7564 or Joan
Paulsen at (715) 823-4995. Don's mailing list is N7625 Swamp Road, Manawa,
WI 54929 Thanks you.
Paula
WaupacaCC
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Hi all,
I am hoping someone on this list can help me out. I am in the middle of a
project and within the listing are alot of civil war vets who are listed as
residing in the "National Home" and some listed as residing in the
"Wisconsin Veterans Home". Does anyone have any idea where these two places
are located and perhaps in what county, if the National one is even in our
state?
Thanks in advance,
Debie
MY OPINION: You can't copy right facts, only the presentation of them. Doing
a lookup is providing an educational service. Copyrights are not broken unless
you start posting the copyright material in the format it is presented.
Passing on of "facts" is always acceptable. If ya don't believe me, check out
this site: http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/
R/S MAK
> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:41:36 -0600
> From: Clare E Guse <ceguse(a)juno.com>
> To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [WIGEN-L] lookups and copyright
>
> Hi everyone ,
>
> I have a question about lookups in books that are under copyright. The
> USGenWeb volunteer pages
> (http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html) seem to imply that
> one needs to get the author's permission in writing to do lookups in a
> book under copyright. The new WIGenWeb pages suggest that if one own's
> the book, then one can do lookups. I have someone volunteering to do
> lookups in a book published in 1991 by a historical society. I also own
> a recently published book (again by a historical society) that I would
> like to do lookups in. Anybody know what's right?
>
> Clare
>
> Clare Guse
> ceguse(a)juno.com
> coordinator WIGenWeb Dodge County
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~widodge/
> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ceguse/
>
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> ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822
> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 05:32:10 -0800 (PST)
> From: MAK <makkuehl(a)yahoo.com>
> To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [WIGEN-L] chat and chit!
>
> Tina, Kelly, Ken, and all others,
>
> The chat last night was really helpful, especially on how to use MIRC. If
> anyone out there is timid about coming on down to chat, well, don't. It was
> a
> pleasant evening, even though I got there late.
>
> All of us were able to express their own opinions with light hearted kidding.
>
> I feel like I know some other people, especially from AL And TX. Even got
> some
> new .wav files to play with and meet some new people.
>
> One thing I would ask Tina is that you send out the warning so we get it
> Tuesday evening instead of Wedneday. With my commute to work, etc, I
> sometimes
> don't get home late, like last night and end up going OH NO, and almost
> forget
> the chat! I will try to put it on my planning schedule, as I feel
> COMMUNICATION is the number one key to sucess, right behind great leadership
> (which we have) and creative volunteers (which are plentiful!)
>
> Also, Tina, for some people that night doesn't work. Perhaps every other
> week
> we could set up an alternate time, if you get enough nods???
>
> Just my thoughts. Have a nice day, out the door... O'dark thirty here.
>
> R/S MAK
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> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:50:03 EST
> From: MrsGrinnin(a)aol.com
> To: WIGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [WIGEN-L] Search Engine Submission Tutorials
>
> Hi guys:
>
> Per some requests in last nights chat, here's the site for tutorials on
> search engine submissions, how they work, how to program for them to get the
> best rating and a list of the major search engines with links to them for
> submitting your URL.
>
> I used this site to submit several sites I created to the search engines and
> they are consistently being ranked in the top 10 returns in their categories.
>
> The URL is:
>
> <http://www.searchenginewatch.com/>
>
> Hope you will find this helpful. I've also gotten to be pretty knowledgeable
>
> about the subject, so if you have any questions on meta tags and how they
> work with the search engines, just let me know.
>
> Debbie Barrett
> CC Pierce County, WI
>
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Tina, Kelly, Ken, and all others,
The chat last night was really helpful, especially on how to use MIRC. If
anyone out there is timid about coming on down to chat, well, don't. It was a
pleasant evening, even though I got there late.
All of us were able to express their own opinions with light hearted kidding.
I feel like I know some other people, especially from AL And TX. Even got some
new .wav files to play with and meet some new people.
One thing I would ask Tina is that you send out the warning so we get it
Tuesday evening instead of Wedneday. With my commute to work, etc, I sometimes
don't get home late, like last night and end up going OH NO, and almost forget
the chat! I will try to put it on my planning schedule, as I feel
COMMUNICATION is the number one key to sucess, right behind great leadership
(which we have) and creative volunteers (which are plentiful!)
Also, Tina, for some people that night doesn't work. Perhaps every other week
we could set up an alternate time, if you get enough nods???
Just my thoughts. Have a nice day, out the door... O'dark thirty here.
R/S MAK
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Hi guys:
Per some requests in last nights chat, here's the site for tutorials on
search engine submissions, how they work, how to program for them to get the
best rating and a list of the major search engines with links to them for
submitting your URL.
I used this site to submit several sites I created to the search engines and
they are consistently being ranked in the top 10 returns in their categories.
The URL is:
<http://www.searchenginewatch.com/>
Hope you will find this helpful. I've also gotten to be pretty knowledgeable
about the subject, so if you have any questions on meta tags and how they
work with the search engines, just let me know.
Debbie Barrett
CC Pierce County, WI
Hi everyone ,
I have a question about lookups in books that are under copyright. The
USGenWeb volunteer pages
(http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html) seem to imply that
one needs to get the author's permission in writing to do lookups in a
book under copyright. The new WIGenWeb pages suggest that if one own's
the book, then one can do lookups. I have someone volunteering to do
lookups in a book published in 1991 by a historical society. I also own
a recently published book (again by a historical society) that I would
like to do lookups in. Anybody know what's right?
Clare
Clare Guse
ceguse(a)juno.com
coordinator WIGenWeb Dodge County
http://www.rootsweb.com/~widodge/http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ceguse/
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Hi all,
It has been wonderful over the last week to see the posting of so many new
links
and resources!
I have created a new mailing list for the WIGenWeb Archives. This list is
called WI-FOOTSTEPS. This list is the place for you and WI visitors to
share original Wisconsin source material: wills, deeds, bible records, tax
lists, cemetery files, pension applications, obituaries, old letters,
marriage lists, etc., with other Wisconsin researchers. The submissions
will be uploaded to the appropriate county/directory of the WIGenGenWeb
Archives. Subscription instructions and further information can be found
at http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/wi/wi-footsteps.html
Tomorrow evening is the
WIGenWeb Project Meetings
Place: IRC server: irc.rootsweb.com (6667)
Room: #USGW-WI
Time: 9 PM EST Wednesdays
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wigenweb/irc-chat.html
Hope to see as many of you there as possible!
(I might be a little late. I have a niece's 12th birthday to celebrate.)
Tina
>From my Richland County list:
from the Sunday Wisconsin State Journal
Guide covers all of state's 412 historical markers
'Wisconsin just ahead: A guide to Wisconsin's Historical Markers'
edited by Sarah Davis McBride, State Historical Society $12.95
Janesville writer Sarah Davis McBride has compiled a list of the
markers, their text and their locations in this brief paperback volume.
http://www.shsw.wisc.edu/publications/order.htmlhttp://www.shsw.wisc.edu/publications/about.html
Tim Stowell tstowell(a)chattanooga.net
Chattanooga, TN
We've started a Photo Project for Wisconsin. It is located at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/wi/photo.html
I've only got a few counties up, and CCs are welcome to do their own photo
pages that we will link to. However, I'm happy to set up county pages if you
would like to submit your photos to the project. Their permanent location is
in the USGenWeb Archives.
So start digging for those Wisconsin photos!
Kelly
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Kelly:
Is this just for pictures of the Wisconsin landscape or do you want settlers
as well?
Debbie Barrett
<A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~wipierce/">Pierce County, WI USGenWeb</A>