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Date: 10 May, 2001 12:14
Subject: Arthur Price Decendants
Hi!
I would like to be added to your mailing list. My Grandfather, Arthur Price,
was born in the New Tredegar, Wales area on December 12, 1904. He was one of
12 children. His parents were Lewis James Price and Mary Hanna.
Any help anyone can provide will be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
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Hi Listers,
Help! I am very confused!
My ancestor, John Herbert Jenkins, married Gwenllian David, dtr. of David David in 1872. On the 1881 Census it shows her as 30 yrs. old and that she was born in Cwmbach, Glamorgan, Wales. I have found nine births in the British Registry of a Gwenllian David from 1850 thru 1856, one born in Cardiff and the others born in Neath or Bridgend. Are these districts, and if so, which would be Cwmbach?
I could not find a Gwenllian David born in 1851 on the registry, so she may not have been born when the 1851 census was taken. There is a David David with a wife named Gwenllian, in Cwmdare, Merthyr Tydfil, Parish of Aberdare, that Pam Thornsbury so kindly found for me, living at Gamlyn Ucha on 30 March of 1851 (thanks again, Pam), but I am somewhat confused on locations. I am not even sure which census records I should check. I could not find one for "Cwmbach".
Does anyone have the index to the 1861 Census who could check to see if this is her family or if there is another David David? My ancestors wife would surely have been born by then.
If I can get this figured out, I will send for a birth certificate.
Any help would be appreciated. Norma
Does anyone out there know where in Wales the Coxe surname originated or was
more prevalent. I am looking for Thomas Coxe who married Elizabeth Blashford
on April 21, 1665.
Thanks, Tammy Cox
Hello everyone
I am a newcomer to this list and this is my first posting.
I am searching for the birth of my husband's grandmother - Jessie Ellis
CUNVIN who was born about 1861, her father as stated on her marriage
certificate to Joseph BAYLEY was John Ellis CUNVIN. On her death
certificate her name was given as Jessie Catherine BAYLEY.
I believe that CUNVIN is a Welsh surname and hope that someone may be able
to help me on the way to finding her birth.
Sheila Bayley, living near Adelaide, South Australia
My name is Pat jones and this is the first time on this list.
My ancestry as I know it is a David Gethen m. Rose Donahue of Limerick
Ire
I am not sure where they married.
David converted to Catholicism and he and Rose relocated to the US
around the turn of the century. They moved their family to Pitts PA
where they had my grandfather John who married a Mary Agnes Reilly.
I have only recently been in contact with my father's family and what I
have been told is that my Gethen line came from the Cardiff area. His
family seemed to be so upset that he married and changed his religion
that they let him keep the Gethen name and the rest became Griffiths. I
have no dates.
As I said I have no contact with my birth father's family and never knew
him. The people I have been contacted by have been generous with what
they know.
Any assistance on where to ck next would be of great assistance.
~pat (entwistle/gethen/hershberger) griffiths/jones~
Now if anyone can tell me where to maybe ck in N. Wales for a Griffiths
marriage on my husband's line I would also appreicate that as well.
Hi Listers,
Is anyone out there looking for genealogy on ROSSERS? My great
grandfather's sister married Walter ROSSER in the 1800's and moved to Risa,
Gwent, Wales. If you are interested in the ROSSER genealogy we have
collected, including photographs, contact my cousin at the following EMail
address: ronandlee(a)sisna.com
Best of luck! Norma in U.S.A.
Hi fellow family researchers,
Here is a full list of all the names and areas I am researching, together
with 2 other researchers who are related to me, so if I do not reply to you
they will, so here goes;-
BAILEY Cheshire.
*BELFIELD Wildboarclough, Cheshire. (Joseph born 1805)
BILSBOROUGH Cheshire
*BLAKEMAN Stone/Gnosal/Cheddleton, Staffs. (Thomas born 1836)
BROUGH Cheshire
*BONSALL Alstonesfield/Wetton, Derbyshire. (Frank born 1904)
*BOSSEN Leek Frith, Staffs. (Elizabeth abt 1825 married
George Belfield)
*CARTER Butterton, Nr. Leek/Meerbrook, Nr. Leek, Staffs.
(William born 1789)
*CAMPION South Wales Cardiff area. (Dorothy Alice born 1899)
DAVIES Cheshire
*DAWSON Wreckenton, Gateshead, Durham. (Mary Jane born 1860
married Robert Hunter))
*DODDS Birtley/Eighton Banks, Gateshead, Durham. (Robert
born 1893)
FODEN Congleton, Cheshire.
*GANTLIFF Marton, Cheshire. (Thomas born 1802)
*GILMAN Biggin, Buxton, Derbyshire (Edith Elsie born 1897
married Frank Bonsall)
*HALSEY Bow area of London (Thomas James born 1890)
HARDING Congleton, Cheshire.
*HUNTER Lamesley/Eighton Bank, Gateshead, Durham. (Robert born
1858)
JACKSON Cheshire
*LEEKE Cheddleton, Leek, Staffs. (Margaret born 1836
married Thomas Blakeman)
*LUCAS Brereton/Marton, Cheshire. (Thomas married 18 May
1788 to Phebe Wood
*POTTS Cheshire. (Jane born 1822 married Thomas Lucas
born 1818)
SUMMERFIELD Cheshire.
*TAYLOR Upton, Cheshire. (Elizabeth born 1827 married James
Carter born 1822)
*TURNOCK Meerbrook, Nr. Leek, Staffs. (Mary born 1803 married
Joseph Belfield)
TURNOCK Cheshire.
WOOD Burslem, Staffs.
The names with * next to them are one I have information on, but if any name
is familiar, please email me.
Regards,
Diane Halsey,
Leek, Staffs. UK.
This is a bit off site, but family history tentacles spread everywhere.
Anyone wanting a look-up in Shifnal, Salop, I have BMB's 1842-1894 coming
to my local LDS library in a few weeks (hopefully). Won't have time to go
through the whole film, as I'm only looking for one specific person, and
have other films to get through, but I'll do a look-up for anyone around a
certain time period. This was originally posted on the Shropshire list, but
why be selfish?
Graham
Melbourne, Oz
Just a gentle reminder. If you are surfing the web each day, you need to
empty your recycle bin every day as well, otherwise congestion in your
computer will result. A bit like watering your garden on a rainy day, and
watering, and watering, etc. Soon you will have damp rot.
Take care
Graham
At 04:43 PM 5/05/01, you wrote:
>Dear Graham,
> In all the research you have done in OZ have you
>ever come across any ships coming to Oz from Scotland? I have a vague
>rumour floating about that some family went to Austalia. Rumour is all it
>is at this stage I don't have dates of locations. I just wanted to verify
>that there were other ships besides the convicts that were deported( that
>doesn't sound too good does it, no offence intended :-) ).
>
>If you have come across such ships could you tell me what the earliest dates
>would have been. Don't worry if I have asked the impossible, I have come
>across quite a few brick walls in the past ten years of research. I have
>only just started on my side, we have managed to get back to 900 A.D on my
>husbands side, but I don't think I stand the same chance with mine :-( .
>the main scottish name is Ferguson, bit like looking for Jones in wales!!
>
>Best wishes
>Pam
Hi Pam
Rumour will get you nowhere and possibly everywhere at the same time.
Amazing what these tall stories from our ancestors reveal!
Just to update your knowledge on the Australian scene, there was a limited
importation of convicts to Australia, mainly to Tasmania and New South
Wales. Most of the population, however, was made up of free settlers,
similar to America and Canada. Scottish, English, Welsh, and Irish hard
working folk. These four nationalities forged the backbone of Australia
from the early 1800s (and possibly still do). In Victoria, for instance, no
convicts were imprisoned or settled, that is until they had served their
time and had possibly shipped themselves over from Tasmania, or down from
New South Wales, after having served their time. It is interesting to note,
however, that some convicts, due to their industriousness became quite
wealthy and set up very large country homes and pastures in the land, sort
of having become wealthy squires, so to speak. True. Some Victorians today
still have this :Yuk, convicts from Tasmania, mentality. In fact it is
widely acknowledged in this State (Victoria) that Tasmania sometimes
produced people with two heads. I need not elaborate. My apologies to the
Taswegians. I have relatives who went to Tasmania from Melbourne, Victoria,
for business, and prospered, so I ought to be a little circumspect.
Nevertheless, history remains, and the brutality to the convicts of Port
Arthur in Tasmania is indeed a fact, where prisoners were beaten and kept
in chains for years on end, and the population being so small, some
families intermarried, probably a little too close for comfort. A real
horror story perpetuated originally by the authorities of Great Britain in
those days.
Even so, there were gentle folk about, and officials who cared for the
future of their charges, hence reform programmes and schools were set up
which brought many convicts out of their imprisonment and their dull
education. After all, this was a new, free land, where one could find
prosperity if one was willing to put in some hard work and apply one's mind
towards the future. This they did, in droves. And, some, as I have
previously said, became very rich as a result. One William Griffiths,
convict, researched as being on a convict hulk in London, was selected as
an apprentice ship-builder, sent out to Sydney Cove as a convict, married,
and in time became a ship owner in New South Wales, travelled down to
Tasmania, settled there, built a mansion, built a number of ships that
sailed in trade along the Victorian coast, almost became bankrupt, then
rescued his business through political fortitude, and continued on until
old age. One word sums this up: Grit.
So, we are many, we are varied, but we are one.
Regarding your ships. Alas, there were many, probably several hundred over
a period of two to three years. They came into this country in droves. Port
Phillip harbour, for instance, was simply packed with ships in the 1850s.
Earliest dates would probably be the 1840s, up to the late 1800s. That
would probably be thousands of shipping records, so you are sort of
whistling in the wind unless you have a specific date of emigration, or a
specific ship. Oh dear, I am so sorry to have to disappoint you in this,
but that's how it is. Need a ship, need a date, need a name, for it all to
fit into place. But don't give up, surely there must be some other rumours
in your family that you can work on? I have found, generally, that rumours
are so very close to the truth. All my family rumours have been checked out
and found to be spot on, so far. They have led me to considerable
genealogical finds. Take heart.
Regards
Graham
Melbourne, Australia
having a wonderful sunny, 19c day/s in autumn at present. Forecast for
another week of this, at least.
>Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 16:22:52 +1000
>To: POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com
>From: Graham Price <genetree(a)pacific.net.au>
>Subject: Look-ups
>Cc: CLWYD-L(a)rootsweb.com, ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
>In my last email, "pool books," should read "poll books." Nice to be
>human. Probably dreaming about the swimming pools in north Queensland, or
>rather I think, those in Malaya I swam in during the late 1950's early
>60's. Freudian slip? I think so. Oh, please, take me back in time and let
>me live it all over again. Well....?
>
>Cheers
>Graham
>Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 14:01:27 +1000
>To: POWYS-L(a)rootsweb.com
>From: Graham Price <genetree(a)pacific.net.au>
>Subject: Re: Free GRO Index Lookups
>Cc: CLWYD-L(a)rootsweb.com, ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
>At 05:06 PM 4/05/01, John Ball wrote:
>>Hi Julie,
>>Well said! I totally agree with your views, expressed so succinctly.
>>
>>Sometimes I feel that the small minority who *do* make unreasonable
>>demands on those who generously offer their time and expertise, are
>>encouraged to do so by the misinformed, but widely disseminated view
>>that the answers to all their questions can be found via the Internet.
>>It must be very tempting to sit on one's backside in front of one's
>>computer at home while others do the legwork.
>>
>>I realise there is an unfortunate few who have little choice, either
>>because they live in remote areas, or because ill health or frailty
>>prevents them from going out.
>
>
>
>Hi folks
>
>Yep, true enough I expect. I am quite willing to help out others where I
>can, particularly those who are tucked away in remote areas and cannot get
>to, or for some other reason (osteoporosis, or other?) cannot easily
>access a decent library.
>
>Nevertheless, it has taken me nearly eight years of steady work, viewing -
>up to this point in time - about 190 microfilms (admittedly, some of them
>virtually unreadable) obtained through the local LDS library and my
>genealogical institute library, State Library, etc. to bring my connected
>rels from initial research of about 250 to over 2,300 on my computer
>database. Of this 190 or thereabouts, I have only had a little more than
>half a dozen that were of no use to me. Most were microfilms of parish
>registers, but I might point out very firmly, 1841,51,61,71 censuses have
>yielded an enormous amount of information for me. All on microfilm.Then
>there are churchwarden accounts from various parishes, which generally
>include a wealth of information, military records, marriage allegations,
>pool books, lay subsidy rolls, hearth taxes, indexes of wills and
>administrations, and a host of other subjects. How did I get to find all
>of this? Quite simple. I accessed the LDS Family History Library Catalogue
>on CDROM disks at my local LDS library. Also on the internet now on
>www.familysearch.org
>
>(See my article in the March 2001 issue of "The Genealogist" pages 24-26 -
>"The LDS Locality Catalogue: An amazing tool for researchers").
>
>All of this has given me a great deal of enjoyment. There is nothing like
>the chase and the thrill of actually discovering it for yourself. It is
>possibly better than any known drug. Strange analogy, but I think you know
>what I mean. We rely upon each other, of course, but being there and doing
>it and sometimes hearing the shrieks of joy that come from other
>researchers when they actually find and see their
>great-great-grandfather's signature on a marriage document or other, is a
>real thrill. I get more kicks out of my grass roots researching than I
>think I would if driving in the Grand Prix! And, perhaps I can see some
>of you smile at the 2,300 connected rels? Well, some years ago a fellow
>researcher said to me that she had over ten thousand connected persons on
>her computer database. I smiled inwardly too, and thought to myself, "Ha,
>ha, whose leg is being pulled here, then?" But now I realize that she was
>not pulling my leg. Several years ago I located a fifth cousin in
>Shropshire, and because of one marriage in 1860 (down from my
>great-great-great-grandparents) that connection enabled me to load up
>nearly two hundred new relatives in one fell swoop - making sure it
>checked out of course. Another fifth cousin found later on, then another
>just recently. And so it goes. But this would not have happened if I had
>not first of all done the hard slog of research. Countless days, weeks,
>months, even years, sitting before microfilm and microfiche viewers. In
>these later years I would have been floundering around on the internet
>looking for who knows what, rather like a fish out of water, if I had not
>put in the hard work.
>
>Like many folk, there were parts of my family branch that I knew very
>little about. On my mother's BENNETT side executors had come in to carry
>out the administration of her aunts' wills (parents/grandparents deceased)
>and guess what? Whether by accident or by design, papers, certificates,
>cards, photos, etc were apparently burnt. Some of you are not surprised by
>this, because similar things happened in your family. (In her old age, one
>of my grand-aunts' in Wrexham was found to be burning in the kitchen stove
>all the building plans that had belonged to her father. What I would not
>give for these days to have those plans? Neighbours saw all this smoke and
>thought the house was on fire.) Anyway, about forty years down the track
>I began a systematic search of the William Frederick Bennett, builder of
>London, who was supposed to be my great-great-grandfather. This was all
>that mum knew, except for the name of his wife. First step, obtain
>grandfather's death, marriage and birth information - certificates in this
>case. Then great-grandfather's death and marriage certificates. I must
>admit the IGI also helped out here, allowing me to pin down several
>William Bennett's. Then to the parish in Westminster seeking out original
>parish records and confirming these on three sets of censuses up from
>1841, and bingo! Found all of my g.grandfather's brothers and sisters,
>their marriages, their children, and in some instances, their
>grand-children right up to at last research 1903. For those of you who
>live in the area, see my articles in Genetree, August 1996 and December
>1996 "Bennett Bonanza," and "Bennetts - Out of Westminster," which are
>deposited with the State Library of Victoria-LaTrobe Library, and the
>Wrexham Library and Arts Centre, at Wrexham, Denbighshire.
>
>Sorry to be so long-winded, but I am writing this to give hope and heart
>to those new researchers who have simply only hooked up to the internet.
>Really, this is not the way to go if you are serious about genealogy. The
>internet is an amazing tool, but we should see it as just that, same as
>the IGI. Anything you find on these "sites" MUST be verified by checking
>the original records. It's too easy to find yourself linked up with the
>wrong family.
>
>So, be of good cheer. Try to enjoy what you are doing. Treat every little
>new scrap of information as a piece of gold dust, a little speck from the
>nugget that you will find one day. And, if you don't enjoy it, if you find
>yourself becoming bitter and frustrated, then give it up and try something
>else. I remember saying to someone years ago, "This is not a job, you
>don't have to suffer it; if you don't enjoy what you are doing then find
>something else to do with your time, otherwise you will grow old not
>wanting to get up in the morning."
>
>But, there is always something waiting just around the corner in this
>"business" - always a little trail that will lead to a gold mine. And, if
>I am able to help any of you out in any way, I will do it. Please feel
>free to ask. We don't have everything in our libraries here, but some of
>them are very extensive and do hold many U.K. records. It is fairly
>obvious that our Australian forefathers were interested in researching
>their ancestry even back in the Victorian age. (See, Genetree April 2000,
>issue No. 13). Of course, there is nothing like being on the spot and
>having the ability to check out the local record offices. If you find a
>researcher willing to do this for you, then you are well blessed and
>should thank them from the bottom of your heart. And try to give something
>back to those who follow you.
>
>Good luck, and good health
>Graham
>Melbourne, Oz
>
>
I hate to beat a thread to death, but I feel compelled to respond to Graham.
I have only been researching for the past year and a half, but through the
kindness of people like Graham, I have learned much about a project that is
very dear to me and the other members of my family. I cannot afford to
travel or order many documents- nor do I have much time to dedicate to
researching during the hours that most such libraries are open.
I look back on some of the requests I made in the beginning and see now how
they were pretty unreasonable given the scant information I supplied.
Despite this, countless people replied to me to offer me assistance on how I
may come closer to my lost relatives- even do census look-ups on people I
only had approximate dates and names on. I read stories on message lists and
digests of people who helped strangers when they did not have to.
To those of you who help and don't feel that your gift of time (and often
money) are not appreciated- take heart. There will always be some that take
advantage, but there are also those that are touched by your kindness and
feel inspired to pass it along. I just had my first chance to help a
stranger, and though it was in a relatively small way- I can't wait to do it
again.
And as for the internet versus hands-on research- I agree with John, Julie,
and Graham- it's a great way to find out how to do your research, but no
substitute for the real thing, especially as far as accuracy is concerned. I
personally am grateful for it. Without the internet I would still be where I
was a year and a half ago, putting off my family research and wondering who
I was.
Thank you all for your help.
The following letter was sent to the HUMPHREYS List by Leana Carlson, I
thought that it was worthy of wider circulation.
All the best
Alwyn
******************************************************************************
***
As the weather is getting warmer and we all start to go out to cemeteries
searching for stones I wanted to send out a warning to everyone. Last
summer I was looking for a cemetery and stopped in a restaurant in a small
town to ask for directions. Someone in the restaurant seemed a little too
interested in giving me directions and offered to let me follow them out to
the cemetery. I declined this offer, however later when I was at the
cemetery this person drove by looking for me. Fortunately I was with a
friend of mine and was therefore saved from a potentially dangerous
sitation. The moral of the story is: if you decide to go into unknown
territory searching through remote cemeteries please be sure you take
someone with you or at least have a cell phone in your hand at all times!
We tend to be too trusting sometimes but it's very important for us all to
exercise caution even if it causes us inconvenience. You can never be too
careful.
Good luck to everyone on all your searches this summer!
Looking for Arthur FRENCH, who was born in Wales in
1825, he went to Canada or US, I know not when. Could
I have a look-up in birth records? I do not know
anything else with the exception that his occupation
was that of a seaman. Arthur was my Great-g-grandfather,
he had a wife and three children when he was killed in
a shipwreck of the "Northerner" off of the coast of
California, leaving his mother? in New Brunswick, Canada.
If I could even have a clue as to where the surname French
might have come from in Wales it would be a great help.
Thank you for your time and consideration,
Sincerely,
Dona Windfeldt
windydona(a)saber.net
At 05:14 AM 1/05/01, mona everett wrote:
>Where were there copper smelters in the early-mid 1800s in Wales? Thanks.
>Mona
In John Davies "A History of Wales" first published 1990, we find p316
.....re-establishment of the copper industry at Neath. Neath was rapidly
overtaken by Swansea, which in 1727.....by 1750 was producing half the
copper needs of Britain. I presume the smelters were not too far from the
mines??? This could be a tricky one!
also Holywell, circa 1750, 1768 Mynydd Parys near Amlwch....1780s mines
opened at Drws-y-coed, Llanberis, Cwm Glaslyn and the Great Orme.
It's a great book. 718 pages, Penguin paperback. I've had it a few years.
Buy it. Was U.K. 9.99 pounds, Aust $18.98, Can $19.99, U.S.A. $14.95. Sorry
Kiwis, didn't give the price for you, you'll have to do your sums!
First morning fog of the season yesterday, and today, cleared about 9.00
a.m. bright sunny day 19 degrees. More to come, same quality.
Graham
Melbourne, Oz