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Hi,
I have looked on the 1881 Census for Wales and Monmouth and there is not one
Mawford included and only 16 in the whole of the British Isles so it is
very rare.
Mortowooi rings no bells with me. I just can't think where it could be.
I have looked on the 1891Census placename Index for Wales and also done a
search on the Wales and Monmouth CD of the 1881 Census and can't find
anything. It is probably the phonetic spelling and perhaps a Welsh speaker
will have more idea. I know w in Welsh can be pronounced long as the oo in
school and i as ee in need so it could end in we and not ooi and perhaps end
in something like towey which sounds more Welsh to me.
Regards,
Margaret Harvey
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Subject: [WALES-GEN] Mortowooi
> Please does anyone have any ideas about this word? On the ship records to
the USA (1907) John WM Mawford said he was from this place. I am grasping at
straws. Is MAWFORD a common name in Wales? LOL are there more than 2?
> Thanks for any help you are willing to offer.
> Kathryn in Texas
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Please does anyone have any ideas about this word? On the ship records to the USA (1907) John WM Mawford said he was from this place. I am grasping at straws. Is MAWFORD a common name in Wales? LOL are there more than 2?
Thanks for any help you are willing to offer.
Kathryn in Texas
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Dear All
During my snooping around old markets, bookstalls, antiquarian bookshops
over the past few years I have managed to pick up some useful old
publications, including Boys' Own Paper 1890, Chambers's (sic) Journal
1893, Pleasant Times 1860, Glimpses of Welsh Life & Character 1893, etc.
Today I stumbled upon another find and snapped it up quickly. It is a years
supply, fully bound of the Boys' Empire League weekly magazine 1901, as big
as an old pulpit bible! Just leafing through it I noticed a list of
members of the Boys' Empire League as at January 19, 1901. There are too
many names to list here and they are of all counties and "far away places",
but one in particular took my attention, because there is someone on this
list (Shropshire Plus) who is researching that fairly uncommon name: It was
a boy listed as BROOMHALL, H.A. Liverpool. (Peter Hope, are you looking at
this?)
I will give some of the other names from counties close by, as there won't
be too many:
Birchall, W.a., Manchester - Bryan, Tom, Manchester - Blackwell A,
Birmingham - Bedford, Jas., Liverpool - Bevan Jno, Swansea - Brant, A.S.
Cardiff - France, R.J., Birmingham - Fay, R.V., Stoke Newington -
Grosvenor, S.L., Turnstall, Stoke-on-Trent - Gibson A.L. Newcastle-on-Tyne
- Genders, Jno, Manchester - Glennon, E, Manchester - Gibson, A.L.,
Newcastle-on-Tyne - Gayner, R.H. Birkenhead - Hincks, F.H., Seaforth,
Liverpool - Hampton, T., Stone, Staff - Hetherington, E.J.,
Newcastle-on-Tyne - Harding, H., Cardiff - Hammersley, W., Walsall -
Hughes, A., Liverpool - Jones, Thos, Kensington, Liverpool - Jones, R.N.,
Wellington, Salop - Jones, J.E., Carmarthen - Jones, David, Carmarthen -
Kaye, H.W. Blackpool - Lucase, S.B., Liverpool - Lunge, F., Liverpool -
Mayce, A., Liverpool - Morgan, H.G., Liverpool - Maylie, H., Manchester -
Mojer, G.A., Tranmere, Cheshire - Nicholson, C.J., Newcastle-on-Tyne -
Nowell, L.., Liverpool - Numby, W.G., Manchester - Orme, G., Southport -
Owen, Alf., St. Helens, Lancs - Pugh A.A., Liscard, Cheshire - Pope, L.,
Newcastle-on-Tyne - Parkinson J. (jnr.) Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancs - Prosser,
H., Newcastle-on-Tyne - Roberts, R., Wrexham - Richardson, S.E.,
Newcastle-on-Tyne - Skelmardine, W.D., Hale, Cheshire - Smeldey, J.,
Sheffield - Townley, B., Cardiff - Wood, Chas, Manchester - Watson, G.S.,
Newcaswtle-on-Tyne - Warren, F., Cheadle - Young, F., Newcastle-on-Tyne
Sometime next year I may get around to typing out the whole list, but it
would take a lot of time. Meanwhile, check over the above. They will all
appear on the 1901 census coming up. Interesting that even up to 1901 they
still put down John as Jno!
P.S. I have scanned the cover into my computer (thanks to my new Canon
660U) - it is green with orange lettering, and also black lettering and
depicts what would appear to be Light Horse plunging on horseback through
water with probably the Union Jack flying high. If anyone would like a copy
off-list, let me know, and it will be in the most accepted .jpg format. If
you have the facilities, you could blow it up into a lovely A4 or larger
wall hanging. Frame it, and give it to someone for Christmas, perhaps!!!
caio
Graham
Melbourne, Oz
The following article was found in the Wilkes-Barre Record, 21 Jan 1895,
Page 8. If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of this obituary,
please send me your mailing address.
(Instead of submitting this to any specific Mailing List, I am
submitting it to the General list in the hopes that it will be seen by a
more diverse group.)
"MRS. THOMAS OF PLYMOUTH
"Mrs. Morgan R. Thomas of Plymouth died on Saturday morning of
pneumonia, aged 75 years. Mrs. Thomas was a familiar figure in church
circles and for years an active member of the Welsh Baptist Church. She
is survived by a husband and five children - Morgan, of Wright Township;
William of Trefarest, South Wales; Richard J., of Danville, Illinois;
Thomas, of Scranton; and Mrs. Thomas E. Jones of Plymouth. The deceased
has also one brother, Rev. William Williams, pastor of Argle Chapel,
Swansea, South Wales. The funeral will occur to-morrow at 2 o'clock.
Services will be held in the Welsh Presbyterian Church and Rev. R.E.
Williams will officiate."
Nancy Cook
Pasadena, MD, USA
The following article was found in the Wilkes-Barre Record, 26 Sep 1894,
Page 1. If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of this obituary,
please send me your mailing address.
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submitting it to the General list in the hopes that it will be seen by a
more diverse group.)
"Elias Hughes, mention of whose serious illness was made, died at his
home 415 Exeter street, on Monday night. Mr. Hughes up to within a few
months ago was inside foreman of the Clear Spring colliery, but on
account of ill health was forced to resign. He was 63 years old and was
born in Bryn Mawr, South Wales, and before coming to Pittston resided in
Scranton for several years. He was a member of the Red Men's Lodge in
Hyde Park. He is survived by the following children, his wife having
died several years ago: Thomas and Joseph Hughes of Scranton and Mrs.
Thomas Protheroe of Dunmore. The funeral will take place next Thursday
at 12 noon and the remains will be taken to Scranton where interment
will be made in Forest Hill Cemetery."
Nancy Cook
Pasadena, MD, USA
The following article was found in the Wilkes-Barre Record, 18 Oct 1894,
Page 1. If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of this obituary,
please send me your mailing address.
(Instead of submitting this to any specific Mailing List, I am
submitting it to the General list in the hopes that it will be seen by a
more diverse group.)
"AN OLD SETTLER GONE
"The death of John J. Owens, aged 83 years, which occurred at his home
at Pittston yesterday, removes one of Pittston's old residents and a
highly respected citizen. He was a native of North Wales and immigrated
to this country in 1849 and has resided here nearly all his time with
the exception of a few years in California. His wife survives him at
the age of about 80, also the following children: David J. Owens of
Plymouth, Mrs. R.J. Hallock of Wilkes-Barre; Mrs. Henry Zeigler of
Wyoming; Mrs. William Davis of West Pittston; Mrs. John Warner of
Scranton; Mrs. Jesse Fear and Mrs. William Williams of Pittston. The
funeral will take place on Friday afternoon. Services will be held at
the family home on Railroad street at 2:30 o'clock, conducted by Rev.
W.D. Thomas."
Nancy Cook
Pasadena, MD, USA
At 05:53 PM 10/12/01, Petchey432(a)aol.com wrote:
>Graham, don't I wept buckets over the chapter about your Gran, what a lovely
>brave lady she must have been, keep up the good work. Regards Doreen
Yes, she was Doreen. I have a beautiful photo of her taken in South Yarra,
Melbourne, circa 1886 before her marriage, when she would have been about
19, and I think almost any man in those days could have fallen in love with
her - such fine Welsh features, gently arched eyebrows, firm forehead with
her hair brushed back and braided at the top. Very expressive eyes, a
delicate nose, small but gentle looking mouth, strong Welsh cheekbones, and
finely pointed chin. She is wearing a high-necked dark-coloured dress,
fastened at the top with what appears to be a cameo brooch. The dress has
frills at the top and underneath is a "soft" white collar. She came from a
family of two boys and five other girls, but looking at other photos I
have, I am very pleased to say :)) that she was the best looking of the
lot! It was taken from one of those old glass negatives. My aunt described
her mother's nature as being a very wise and gentle person. She gave me a
lock of her mother's fair hair, which I have since given to one of my
nieces. I am sure that my grandfather was extremely blessed to have found
this lovely woman. He was 31 at the time of their marriage and apparently
had not shown much interest in other ladies in earlier times. After her
passing he wrote a letter to her sister and brother-in-law in Burnie,
Tasmania, where they owned a drapery business. I am fortunate to have this
letter, which he seems to have written the day after the funeral. I
included it in my saga; in fact it did help me considerably in knowing and
feeling the atmosphere of the day. I would like to share part of it with
listers, because reading between the lines, things become a lot clearer. I
hope it won't upset you too much. There had, apparently, been a problem
earlier with one of the doctors.
"I received your kind letter this morning and appreciate the expressions of
sympathy from you and Maggie. Two doctors attended in the afternoon; one
having been in the morning and the day before. They decided upon a slight
operation, which I asked did one in four die from, & was answered - no,
hardly that. They used chloroform - and in a few minutes death was in her
features, a great change from the smile with which she bade me Good Bye,
lest anything should happen. She recovered for a while consciousness and
bade us all "Good Bye" with good advice to the boys in particular. I am
inclined to think it was an operation likely to be successful in some
similar cases. The funeral was in the Eastern Cemetery and the service was
read by Mr. Barber a Wesleyan Minister. Lena having expressed a wish to
that effect some time before in private conversation." He then talks about
the future, etc.
And so, life goes on. But, as my aunt told me: he would, late at night,
take his violin down to his workshop away from the house where he worked
during the day building flour milling machinery, and he would play. Often
it would be the old Welsh tune "All through the Night." - "Ah Hyd Y Nos,"
and possibly he would have even sung the words "Holl am-rant-au'r ser
ddy-wed-ant (Love fear not if sad thy dreaming) Ah hyd y nos (All through
the night)." I cannot hear that tune, even this day, without a being
overcome with emotion, knowing how he must have suffered the great loss of
his one and only real love. And when I look at his violin sitting in its
glass cabinet, which again I am so fortunate to have, I can see it all
before me again, and I can see the happy times - the Sunday music
afternoons and evenings that they must have had at his father-in-law's home
in South Yarra, with all the family gathered around. Lena's (Helena) sister
Maggie (Margaret) on the piano, her fiancee at the time also on violin, and
sister Sarah's beau very handy with the flute. Mother and father sitting,
watching, and the younger children there listening attentively. None of
this is fiction, it is all fact, taken from letters and talks with my aunt.
Makes me a little jealous not to have been there! Impossible, I know, but
yes, it would have been good to have had that chance in time. And yes, it
all comes together as real family history. I can easily visualize my
youthful grandmother and grandfather saying goodbye after a musical evening
at her parents house - just standing in the garden by the picket gate on a
summer's evening, and just yearning to kiss before he had to go off to his
lodgings. I can almost smell her perfume and see his starched collar and
buttoned waistcoat in the moonlight.
And I think that these words sent to me by Ray Ann Alt sum things up for
all of us:
"How can we, as
TRUE genealogists, not endeavor to find out more about
that special love that brought forth ourselves, our
parents, grand parents, great-grandparents? How can
there be people out there whose only interest is in
names, dates, and places to fill in blanks on a piece
of paper??"
Blessings
Graham
At 09:55 PM 9/12/01, Rachel Slansky wrote:
>I am at work writing a story based on the letters of my grandparents during
>WWII, and hope to someday have enough info about my ancestors further back
>to do the same for them. I find that as I write about them, I am able to
>understand them better, to feel what they felt, to learn more about myself
>and the human race
Yes, it works, doesn't it. Something comes alive and we see things we
never saw before, and we can write things we never thought we would be able
to. The "muse" is within all of us.
Graham
Dear All
Yes, there certainly were a lot of replies, which I expected - so can't at
this stage reply individually, except to say I'll do my very best for you,
but it won't be for a few weeks, as I have to get my December edition of
Genetree out of my hair first and a few other "living" things. Funny how we
have to live a life outside of genealogy!
To those of you who wrote, you gave me some amusing chuckles. Glad to see
all of you keeping your sense of humour even in this serious business of
family history. And there were some lovely comments re. my email on
"Yesterday" etc. I felt rather humbled at that. But it is true, we do need
to know more about our elder folks, and the official history of the times
will only tell us so much. Lucky are some of us to have photos, cards, and
old letters. My little rag "Genetree" has been going now since 1996. When
writing articles for it, one must be certain that everything (as far as
possible) is relatives needed to know what the elders were like. I
commenced with my paternal grandparents who had returned from New Zealand
to Australia and walked slap bang into the 1892 depression where the banks
closed for months, some never to re-open. You can imagine what happened
next. But they survived, even when later on my grandmother died in
childbirth they still survived. I was again fortunate to have had up to
1974 an aunt who had all the family knowledge tucked up inside her brain
and who loved to talk about it. I made copious notes, of course. She had a
great number of old letters - bonanza!
My little family saga, which I titled "Nearer am I to Home," was only meant
to deal with the life of these grandparents, but it was soon obvious that
it had a life of its own. I made sure, however, that readers were aware
that even though it was based on the facts and the historical times, this
saga was partially fiction. Though I think I have hit close to the bone
when describing some of their lives. And still it goes on. I am only up to
1915 at present, where my father was at Anzac Cove, Gallipoli. As an
example of how you can become a part of their lives, I wrote of his sister,
my aunt, reading an actual letter he had written from Gallipoli, in which
he may have been a little naive, because: "I have been here a week now, and
am doing all right so far. You asked me in one of your letters who were the
boys in the photo I sent you. The tall chap is Sam O'Dell and the other W.
Harris. They are both dead. They were fine fellows to have for mates..."
and so the letter went on with other things. Imagine the emotions running
through my aunt as she read this letter! Which then leads further as the
story goes on. The War Graves Commisssion gave me details of these two
fellows, my father's mates, so I wove them into the picture earlier on,
while they were still in Australia, though I changed their names. There
have been times when I have been writing some scenes and I have been in
tears, especially when I had to write of the day my grandmother died in
childbirth after an unsuccesfull caesarean operation. Aunt gave me all the
details. She talked about how her mother had sat up in the bed at the end,
how her father (and she the eldest) had shepherded all the children in to
hear their mother say good-bye, and how her mother had given good advice to
them for the future, and in particular to the two boys, my father, and my
uncle. I had to leave the writing of this many times as I could not see the
computer screen properly. But, I came back to it, for as far as I was
concerned it had to be done - people needed to know about these things. It
was not an easy thing to do, but you know, I think deep inside that I am
quite proud of that chapter. It certainly did give me great insight into
the character of my grandfather and why he never married again, but lived
his life in remembrance of a very brave and lovely lady.
Bye for now
Graham
Interesting that I should find myself thinking of the same thoughts while
listening to a different song on the same day.
While driving to work, I was listening to an Emmylou Harris song that, near
as I can figure it, is a love story of two ancient people found frozen in
the Tundra (I could be wrong- my imagination does tend to run wild).
It made me consider all the stories that are out there, including those of
my own family, and how wonderful it is to share them.
I am at work writing a story based on the letters of my grandparents during
WWII, and hope to someday have enough info about my ancestors further back
to do the same for them. I find that as I write about them, I am able to
understand them better, to feel what they felt, to learn more about myself
and the human race.
Cheers to Graham for his posting- I heartily agree!
Rachel
Oregon, USA
Researching-
THOMAS, South Wales
HUGHES, Caernarfon
Saturday, 10.45 p.m. Melbourne time. I have just finished watching
Parkinson interviewing Paul McCartney (possibly a little behind the time
here in Australia by a few weeks, or months), but what struck me very
forcibly was the implication of time and ancestors in much re. the Beatles
and others, of course, music. Paul's rendition of "Yesterday, love was such
an easy game to play," hit me squarely. Here, was a an average lad from
Liverpool, writing a song that had universal import, and as you go on
listening to the words that follow, you realise that what was written in
the 1960s-70s, also has bearing on the 1800s, indeed even the 1700s, etc.,
and you come to realise that your grand-parents, and your great
grandparents, etc., also had these passionate feelings. "Love was such an
easy game to play." Oh yes, how it was, even as I look back over fifty
years to my teens. Such an easy game to play. And yes, I believe in
yesterday! I do, indeed, for it takes me back to a romance that happened
when I was merely seven years old. Can you believe that? I certainly do,
and the images of those days are still firm in my mind now. I can still see
very clearly, me, a lithe boy of seven years walking along grassy lane with
a young girl of the same age, blissfully in love with her at even that
delicate age, and so on. It ended when she was transferred to another
school. Heart break, oh, heart break indeed for such a young soul.
I know without any shadow of doubt, that our ancestors had all these same
feelings, through their youth, and through their adulthood, up until their
very death. I know without any doubt that they shared our own feelings
about life, and that they were as devastated as we are by the traumas that
happen around us. This is what links us to them. This very humanity. So,
it pays to look at them from a different point of view - rather than merely
figures in the past - but flesh and blood and with all the angers,
jealousies, loves and hates, that we ourselves have. Not much different,
when you come to think of it, than Shakespeare's characters! Some of you
have the capability, indeed the talent, to do what I have tried to do - put
your ancestors into story format (perhaps called fiction) and see where
this leads you. For myself, using all the facts given to me by my elder
relatives, and that which I have discovered by myself, has so far been a
very fruitful journey writing about these folk of mine who certainly do
have many coloured characteristics.
Try it for yourself, and see them come alive! Look to the facts of what you
have so far found and then let your imagination soar to what they probably
were in real life!
caio
Graham
Dear All
I forgot to add that if you are going to reply, please delete the large
body of my message as it will take up a lot of unnecessary space on the
list. If you don't know how to do this, click your mouse at the beginning
of a paragraph, hold the mouse down and scroll down the page - the screen
will be black with white lettering. Release the mouse at the end, and hit
the delete key. The original message will not be affected. (Or just simply
write to me off list).
caio
Graham
Forwarding, please reply to either Dorothy or via the list.
Thanks!
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From: "Dorothy Bessex" <dbessex(a)shaw.ca>
To: <WALES-GEN-L-request(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:51 AM
Subject: WELLINGS
In the late 1800's some Wellings family members moved from Shobden in
Hereford or Shropshire to Rhymney or Merthyr Tydfil . Believe they were
related to my greatgrandfather Edward Wellings of Llandewey Ystradenny.
Dorothy Victoria Canada
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Howdy folks
(I am cross-posting this to the Wales lists, as most Welsh researchers do
have relatives spilling over into Shropshire, It would be very neglectful
of me if I did not do this).
Well, here I am again with my annual look-up. As I will have some spare
time around the last week of December and during the first two weeks of
January 2002, I am placing myself at your service.
I've done this mainly for those who live out in the never-never and who
can't get to decent libraries for their research. It's a bit long, so if
you are going to print it out, I suggest you preview it first and then
print on both sides of your paper for economy sake, e.g. print page 1 by
itself, turn it over, then print pages 2-3, and so on. You can "select
all," and then change the font to a smaller size, if you wish. These are
transcriptions in book form of baptisms, marriages, and burials that we
thankfully have in the State Library of Victoria, obviously due to a very
enlightened librarian circa 1920s.
SHOPSHIRE PARISH REGISTER SOCIETY
Acton Burnell R.C. 1769-1837 (S929.306 Sh87)
Adderley 1692-1812 L v4
Alberbury 1564-1733 H v6
Alberbury 1733-1812 H v7
Albrighton (nr. Shrewsbury) 1649-1812 L v1
Albrighton (nr. Wolverhampton) 1558-1812 L v3
Astley 1692-1812 L v5
Atcham 1619-1812 H v16
Badger 1619-1812 H v16
Battlefield 1663-1812 L v1
Bedstone 1712-1812 H v5
Berrington 1559-1812 L v14
m. to 1837
Billingsley 1625-1812 H v3
Bitterley 1658-1812 H v4
Bonningale 1698-1812 L v3
Bridgnorth Castle. St. Baptist Chapel. 1779-1836
" " " Stoneway Chapel, Congregational 1765-1812
Bromfield 1559-18122 H v5
Broseley 1570-1700 S929.3424 56 B79
Broseley Birch Meadow Chapel (Baptist) 1794-1835 S929.306 Sh87
Broughton 1705-1812 L v1
Buildwas 1665-1812. m. to 1837. L v14
Burford 1558-1812 H v16
Cardeston 1663-1812 H v5
Caynham, see Clee Hill
Chelmarsh 1557-1812 H v3
Chirbury 1629-1812 H v8
Church Preen 1680-1812 H v16
Church Stretton 1661-11812 H v8
Claverley 1568-1812 H v8
Clee Hill Wesleyan Chapel. S929.306 Sh87
Cleobury Mortimer 1601-1812 H v9
Clive 1671-1812 L v7
Clunbury 1574-1812 H v2
Condover 1570-1812 L v6
Cound 1562-1812 L v2
Cressage 1605-1812 L v2
Dawley Magna 1666-1812 L v18 (falling apart!)
Deuxhill & Glazeley 1718-1812 H v5
Diddlebury 1583-1812 H v15
Ditton Priors Wesleyan Chapel 1801-1834
Donington 1556-1812 L v3
Dorrington. see Lythe Hill
Easthope 1624-1812 H v19 part 4
Eaton Constantine 1684-1812 L v13
Edgmond 1669-1812 L v13
Edgton 1722-1812 L v13
Edstaston 1712-1812 L v10
Ellesmere Independent Chapel 1787-1812
Ercall Magna se High Ercall
Fitz 1559-1812 L v4
Ford 1589-1812 H v1
Frodesley 1547-1812 L v4
Glazeley, see Deuxhill and Glazeley
Great Bolas 1582-1812 L v13
Great Ness 1589-1812, m. to 1837 L v20
Greete 1663-1812 H v5
Grinshill 1592-1812 H v5
Habberley 1598-1812 H v5
Hadnall & Clive Independent Chapels 1798-1837
Halson 1686-1897 S v2
Handwood 1589-1763 H v1
Harley 1590-1812 L v2
High Ercall 1653-1812, m. to 1837 L v20, parts 4,5,6
Hodnet 1656-1812 L v11
(see also Weston Under Redcastle)
Hope Bagot 1714-1812 , m. to 1837 H v20
Hopesay 1660-1812 H v18 parts 1 & 2
Hopton Castle 1538-1812 H v9
Hopton Wafters 1660-1812 H v9
Hordley 1686-1812 L v7
Hughley 1576-1812 H v1
Kenley 1682-1812 L v2
Kinlet 1657-1840 H v17
Kinnerley 1667-12 S v3
Knockin 1661-1812 S v3
Leebotwood 1547-1812 L v5
Leighton 1661-1812 L v5
Llanyblodwell 1695-1812 S v3
Llanyblodwell Smyrna Independent Chapel 1825-1836
Llanymynech 1666-1812 S v8
Longdon Upon Tern 1692-1812 L v2
Longnor 1586-1812 L v5
Ludlow 1558-1719 H v13
Ludlow Corve Stree and Old Independent Chapel 1802-1836
Lydham 1596-1812 H v3
Lyth Hill & Dorrington Chapel 1808-1837
Market Drayton Independent Chapel 1776-1836
Mawley Hall St. Mary Roman Catholic 1763-1831
Melverley 1723-1812 S v1
Middleton Seriven 1728-1812 H v5
Milson 1678-1812 H 16
Minsterley Independent Chapel 1806-1837
Monk Hopton 1698-1812
Montford 1662-1812 L v7
More 1570-1812 H v2
Neen Savage 1572-1812 H 17
Moreton Corbet 1580-1812 L v1
Moreton Say 1691-1812 L8
Munslow 1538-1812 H v15
Myddle 1541-1813, m. to 1837 H v17
Neen Solars 1678-1812 H v16
Neenton 1558-1812 H v3
Newport S.S. Peter & Paul R.C. 1785-1837
Newtown 1779-1812 L v10
Norbury 1560-1812 H v19, pt 2
Norton-in-Hales 1572-1880 L v18
Oldbury 1582-1812 H v16
Oldbury Old Dissenting Chapel (Presbyterian) 1715-1812
Onibury 1577-1812, m. to 1837 H v18, pt 2
Oswestry 1558-1812, m. to 1837 S v4,5,6,7
Oswestry Old Chapel (Congregation) 1780-1812
Pitchford 1558-1812 L v1
Plowder, St. Francis R.C. 1826-1837
Pontesbury 1538-1812 H v12
Prees, see Whixhall
Preson Gobalds 1560-1812, m. to 1837 L 20/21
Rattlinghope 1755-1812 H v5
Rodington 1678-1812 L v21, pt 2
Ruyton in the Eleven Towns 1719-1812 L v5
St. Martins 1579-1812 S v8
Selattyn 1557-1812 S v1
Sheinton 1658-1812 L v2
Sheriff Hales 1557-1812 L v7
Shipton 1538-1812 H v1
Shrewsbury Claremont Baptist Meeting House 1766-1808
Shrewsbury High St. Presbyterian 1692-1812
Shrewsbury St. Chad 1616-1812, L v15,16,19
Shrewsbury St. Mary's 1584-1812 L v12
Shrewsbury St. Mary's R.C. 1775-1837
Shrewsbury Society of Friends 1657-1812
Shrewsbury Swan St. Chapel Independent 1767-1812
Sibdon Carwood 1582-1812 H v2
Sidbury 1560-1812 H v1
Smethcote 1609-1812 L v1
Stanton Lacy 1561-1812 H v4
Stapleton 1546-1812 L v5
Stirchley 1658-1812 L v5
Stoke S. Milborough 1654-1812 H v19 pt 5
Stokesay 1559-1812, m. to 1837 H v17
Tasley 1563-1812 H v1
Tibberton 1719-1812 L v13
Tong 1629-1812 L v4
Uffington 1578-1812 L v5
Uppington 1650-1812 L v4
Waters Upton 1547-1812 L v13
Wem 1583-1744 L v9
Wem 1745-1812 L v10
Wem Chapel St. Independent 1785-1836
Westbury 1637-1812 H 12
Weston under Redcastle 1714-1812, m. to 1837 H v20, part 1
Whitchurch (Dodington Presbyterian Chapel) 1708-1812
White Ladies. Burials only 1816-1844 L v3
Whithington 1591-1812 L v5
Whittington 1591-1812 S v2
Whixall Independent Chapel 1805-1822
Willey 1644-1812 H v16
Wistanston 1638, 1661-1812, m. to 1837 H v17
Woolstaston 1601-1812 H v1
Worthen 1558-1812 H v11
Wrockwardine 1591-1812 L v8
Wroxeter 1613-1812 L v11
H= Diocese of Hereford
L= Diocese of Lichfield
S= Diocese of St. Asaph
P.S. As these are hidden away up in the stack, retrieving them is not easy
and depends upon condition and availability; i.e. being catalogued, or
being shrink-wrapped, or otherwise being in process of conservation, but
most are in good condition. Publication dates are very early 1900s.
P.P.S. Last time I received a deluge of emails from very pleasant folk
wanting look-ups post 1812, or as in the case of marriages for some
parishes post 1837. I guess, like me, they needed their eye-sight checking.
DO PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THE DATES before replying. Thanks for that.
The reason for getting this email out now, is to give you time to select
what you need, so that I do not have to pull down the particular volume
twice from the "hidden" stacks, much to the chagrin of the hard working
library staff. Must look after them, their work is not an easy one,
considering what they have to put up from the public at times, and of
course, especially from me! Deadline for providing your information for
look-ups will be December 20.
For those who have an interest, the December edition of my little rag
"Genetree" will be in the Wrexham Library & Arts Centre, and the Victorian
State Library, LaTrobe section, around mid December.
And a very MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, and I do hope that the NEW YEAR brings
you lots of goodies with new-found relatives coming out of the blue! Check
out the 1901 census in January! You are sure to find something!
Have fun - this is a hobby, not a job!
Graham Price
Melbourne, Australia
N.B. The meaning of never-never is an Australian icon - in that if you
went to live in the outback you would never, never, want to leave it. (I'm
not so sure about that! Some parts of Australia are worse than an Afghan
desert! :)) )
Howdy. Hope you are all on the look-out for the latest Goner virus. Enough
said.
For those of you who are looking around woollen and flannel mills for
ancestral relatives, the following may be of use:- some general
occupations of these mills that appear, in particular, in the 1881 census
are: beamer, bobbin maker, bobbin winder, card cleaner, carder, cloth
baler, cloth mender, cloth picker, creeler, darner, feeder, finisher,
fuller, loom jobber, loom tuner, millband, millworker, picker, piecer,
reader, slubber, sorter, spinner, splicer, stapler, stocking knitter,
twister, warper, washer, weaver, winder, wool packer, wood puller, tarn
carrier, tarn winder. Any of these will certainly point to your relatives
working in a wool factory close by.
P.S. for those Roberts & Jones researchers, you may be pleased to know that
I think I have found the origin of Lowry, or Laura Roberts, nee Lloyd of
Maengoron, Lantysilio, Denbighshire. Seems that she is perhaps the daughter
of Robert & Elizabeth (Jones) Lloyd, baptized at Cerrigydrudion 31 Jun 1772
(fits absolutely perfectly with her age in various census and her
tombstone) - Robert & Elizabeth of tu Isa in havod, elwy, Hennlan parish. I
still have to reconcile this with the 1851 census stating that she was born
in MGY, but then, we all know, census records are often quite imperfect, in
more ways than one. Need the marriage to check that out, and possibly the
1871 census of Llantysilio, as she was still alive in 1873. More work!!
Onward!! Tally-ho!!
Cherrio
Graham
The following article was found in the Wilkes-Barre Record, 16 Jul 1894,
Page 7. If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of this obituary,
please send me your mailing address.
(Instead of submitting this to any specific Mailing List, I am
submitting it to the General list in the hopes that it will be seen by a
more diverse group.)
"DEATH OF MRS. ISAAC JONES
"Mrs. Anne Jones of North Meade street died yesterday of paralysis after
a brief illness, aged 73 years. She was highly respected on the
Heights, and was a life long member of the Welsh Presbyterian Church.
She survived her husband, the late Isaac Jones, three years. She died
in her own house surrounded by a large adult family of sons, daughters
and grand children as follows: Merchant Jonathan Jones of the Heights;
contractor Thomas E. Jones; Joshua Jones and Richard Jones of
Dorranceton; Evan Jones, a farmer at Spring Brook, Lackawanna County;
merchant Isaac Jones of Kingston; Mrs. Henry Robinson of the Heights;
Mrs. Griffith Dougher of Spring Brook; and Mrs. Daniel Davis, who
resided with her. She and her husband came to the United States eight
years ago from Rhandirmyr, Wales, where they owned and cultivated an
extensive farm, but their children having emigrated, some of them over a
quarter of a century ago, they sold their farm and purchased a farm at
Spring Brook, where they lived until the death of Mr. Jones, three years
ago. Mrs. Jones then sold the farm and removed to this city. The
funeral will take place this morning. The remains will be taken to
Spring Brook on the W.B.&E.R.R., where obsequies will be conducted by
Rev. W.H. Williams of this city. Interment in Spring Brook Cemetery."
Nancy Cook
Pasadena, MD, USA
The following article was found in the Wilkes-Barre Record, 16 Jul 1894,
Page 7. If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of this obituary,
please send me your mailing address.
(Instead of submitting this to any specific Mailing List, I am
submitting it to the General list in the hopes that it will be seen by a
more diverse group.)
"DEATH OF JOSEPH PARRY
"Joseph Parry, who has been a resident at 206 Stanton street for the
past twenty years, died yesterday of miners' consumption, aged 73 years.
He was a great sufferer for six months, but was only confined to his bed
for three weeks. He leaves a widow and five adult children, Mrs. Levi
Gibbons of Wilkes-Barre; William Parry of Morea, Schuylkill County;
Thomas Parry of Upper Lehigh; Solomon Parry of California and a daughter
at home. He was a native of Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales, from where he
emigrated twenty-eight years ago. He was a zealous member and support
of the Second Welsh Baptist Church, South Side, and was well respected
in the community. The funeral will take place on Tuesday at 1 p.m.
Rev. A.J. Morton of Kingston and Rev. Jacob Davis of Plymouth will
officiate. Interment in Hollenback Cemetery."
Nancy Cook
Pasadena, MD, USA
The following article was found in the Wilkes-Barre Record, 20 Jul 1894,
Page 8. If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of this obituary,
please send me your mailing address.
(Instead of submitting this to any specific Mailing List, I am
submitting it to the General list in the hopes that it will be seen by a
more diverse group.)
"DEATH OF SQUIRE PRITCHARD
"A Well Known Resident of Larksville Passes Away
"William L. Pritchard, well known throughout the valley, died in
Larksville at 11 o'clock on Wednesday night, aged 69 years. Deceased
had been ailing for about seven years with miners' asthma. He was a
miner by occupation, but had left the mines on account of ill health and
had been engaged in the tea business for the last seven years. He was
born in Nantygle, South Wales, and came to this country thirty-seven
years ago. He has resided in Danville, Hyde Park, Shamokin and other
places. From 1877-1882 he was justice of the peace for Plymouth
Township. There remain to mourn his loss a widow and three children -
William, inside foreman at the Buttonwood colliery; John W. and Mr.
Albert Avery of Larksville. He was a member of the Bethesda
Congregational Church of Edwardsville, with which church he became
identified at its organization. Funeral will leave Kingston on the
11:22 a.m. D.L.&W. train for Scranton on Saturday where interment will
be made in Washburn Street Cemetery. Rev. D.L. Davis will officiate.
Deceased was not the well known squire Pritchard of Hunlock."
Nancy Cook
Pasadena, MD, USA
Because my living family and living church need me more over the Christmas
period than my dead ancestors and my ecclesiastical history, I will be
signing off all of my e-mail list memberships (apart from those that I
administer) until the new year.
I hope to be back in time to win the lollipop for first UK 1901 census entry
quoted on the list!
In the mean time if you feel that you can't live without my pearls of wisdom
:-), please e-mail me off list.
Thanks for all the help over the past year and "Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn
Newydd Dda" (For those who don't speak the language of Heaven:- A Merry
Christmas and a Happy New Year).
All the best
Alwyn
Hi Liz and Alwyn,
This may be a little late but I've just read your emails (below) from
October. Hopefully this can provide some clarity with regard to Liz's query
about commissionaires. To this day The Corps of Commissionaires provide a
valued security service.
>From the UK Corps Site - "The Corps was founded in 1859 by Captain Sir
Edward Walter in order to gain meaningful employment for former soldiers,
sailors and the militia who had effectively been abandoned by society after
their return from the Crimea. The culture remains to give value recognition
for today's recent service leavers and a second career option in continuing
to use their skills and experience to interface with technology in a
commercial security role, at home and overseas. With the ending of National
Service, the brief was extended to incorporate former members of the
Emergency Services including the Police, the Fire and Ambulance, the Prison
Service and the Coast Guards....."
>From Canadian Corps History - "In 1915 the Duke of Connaught, then Governor
General of Canada, suggested to the authorities that a Corps be formed in
Canada. Patterned on the Corps in England, it would provide a livelihood for
unemployed veterans of World War I. On 25 July 1925, a Charter was
obtained and three Companies were organized - No. 1 in Montreal, No 2 in
Toronto, and No. 3 in Vancouver. In 1936, action was taken by the
Department of Pensions and National Health to renew the letters patent of
the old Charter. Supplementary Letters Patent revising the original Charter
were issued in February 1937 and, in June 1937, His Excellency the Governor
General, Lord Tweedsmuir, became the first Patron-in-Chief of the Corps, and
the Lieutenant-Governors were asked to become Patrons....."
Liz, there are lots of websites that may be of assistance in your research
about this profession.
A few are:
http://www.the-security-net.co.uk/adverts/corps/main.htm (UK)
http://www.the-corps.co.uk (UK)
http://www.commissionaires.ca (Canada)
Hope this helps,
Regards,
Leslie O'Neill-Reynolds
-----Original Message-----
From: AlwynapHuw(a)aol.com [mailto:AlwynapHuw@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 4:41 PM
To: WALES-GEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [WALES-GEN] occupation query
I may be totally wrong in respect of your ancestor's occupation, but to me a
commissionaire is the person who stands at the door of a cinema or theatre
to
welcome patrons
Regards
Alwyn
In a message dated 14/10/2001 21:16:41 GMT Daylight Time,
ElizabethHessan(a)aol.com writes:
> can sks tell me if the occupation commisionaire would be applied to a
> person
> who had recently left the forces in the 1950's, or is there some other job
> that would conver this description.
> tia
> liz