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From: List Owner <list.owner(a)virgin.net>
To: <TREETOPS-NEWS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:17 PM
Subject: [TREETOPS-NEWS] A Tree Tops SPECIAL
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This weeks messages are all from The Ministry of Defence. They include
info regarding their "Russian Records". Anybody recognizing any names
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TO/ CAROL, TREE TOPS, PO BOX 116, SWINDON, WILTS SN3 2SX. TEL: 01793-538730.
E-m: tree.tops(a)virgin.net
Pay books and 6 photos: 4448024 Corporal Edward GRIFFIN aka JONES, Kings
Own Yorkshire Light Infantry. b.27 Jun 1911, d.09 Feb 1944 in Italy, s/o
Margaret GRIFFIN, h/o Muriel Cecily GRIFFIN of Freckleton, Lancs.
TO/ ARMY RECORDS CENTRE, BOURNE AVE, HAYES, MDX UB3 1RF. FAX:020-8573-9078.
Em:LHEARN.DefenceRecords2@GTNET.Gov.UK
Pay book and heather: 5047531 Sergeant George HARDING, North Staffordshire
Regiment, b.15 Nov 1912, d.25 May 1944 aged 31, in Italy, s/o Ada HARDING
of Chesterfield, Derbyshire.
TO/ ARMY RECORDS CENTRE, BOURNE AVE, HAYES, MDX UB3 1RF. FAX:020-8573-9078.
Em:LHEARN.DefenceRecords2@GTNET.Gov.UK
Pay book AFB 104-126 found on file: 5345136 Private John Arthur HIBBARD of
the Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry, b.29 Jan 1920, d.19 Jun
1944, in France, s/o George & Margaret HIBBARD of Leyton, Essex.
TO/ ARMY RECORDS CENTRE, BOURNE AVE, HAYES, MDX UB3 1RF. FAX:020-8573-9078.
Em:LHEARN.DefenceRecords2@GTNET.Gov.UK
Pay book: 2619449 Guardsman Stanley RUSSELL of the Grenadier Guards left
the Army in 1946 to live in Brighton with his wife Norah. He was b.02 May
1920.
TO/ ARMY RECORDS CENTRE, BOURNE AVE, HAYES, MDX UB3 1RF. FAX:020-8573-9078.
Em:LHEARN.DefenceRecords2@GTNET.Gov.UK
Pay book-part 2 only: 14283227 Lance Corporal Samuel Wilson SMITH Royal
Scots Fusiliers d.29 May 1944, b.07 Jul 1923 to David SMITH & Margaret
Wilson-SMITH of Milngavie, Dunbartonshire. He has a sister Sarah BROWNE.
TO/ ARMY RECORDS CENTRE, BOURNE AVE, HAYES, MDX UB3 1RF. FAX:020-8573-9078.
Em:LHEARN.DefenceRecords2@GTNET.Gov.UK
Pay book: 5053539 Private Stanley Frederick STEWART of the Sherwood
Foresters left the Army in 1946 to settle with his wife Edna in Derby. He
b.14 Mar 1913, and he had a daughter Anne who would now be in her early
sixties.
TO/ ARMY RECORDS CENTRE, BOURNE AVE, HAYES, MDX UB3 1RF. FAX:020-8573-9078.
Em:LHEARN.DefenceRecords2@GTNET.Gov.UK
Anonymous diaries: 258709 Harold GASCIOGNE of the North Staffordshire
Regiment. We traced Mr GASCOIGNE to an address in Bribie Island, Queensland
Australia.
TO/ ARMY RECORDS CENTRE, BOURNE AVE, HAYES, MDX UB3 1RF. FAX:020-8573-9078.
Em:LHEARN.DefenceRecords2@GTNET.Gov.UK
Anonymous diaries: 5255715 George Charles BARTHOLOMEW of the Royal Sussex
Regiment, b.27 Mar 1915, he served until 27 Aug 1945. Traced to an address
in Stechford, Birmingham.
TO/ ARMY RECORDS CENTRE, BOURNE AVE, HAYES, MDX UB3 1RF. FAX:020-8573-9078.
Em:LHEARN.DefenceRecords2@GTNET.Gov.UK
Anonymous diaries: 2719192 George COX of the Irish Guards, b.24 Nov 1919
and served until 1951. His niece, Mrs O. BOWDEN, was traced to an address
in Northenden, Manchester.
TO/ ARMY RECORDS CENTRE, BOURNE AVE, HAYES, MDX UB3 1RF. FAX:020-8573-9078.
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Dear List,
I am a very new member and would love to start things off by posting my interests if you will bear with me.
POOLE Albert Edward (my grandfather)
- born 1.12.1874 Portishead, Somerset
- married 16.8.1903 Newport, Monmouthshire
- emigrated to Brisbane, Australia circa 1912
POOLE Edward Charles (the name George possibly incl. somewhere in his Christian name) (my gr-grandfather)
- born 1843 Hallery, Gloucester
- married Elizabeth Matilda ADAMS born 1.10.1848 in Gloucester.
- believed he moved to Monmouthshire later with part or all of his family with the result that I believe his descendents are living in Monmouthshire and Wales.
Their children incl. my grandfather:
Alice M. - born circa 1871
Charles G. - born circa 1873
Albert Edward - born 11.12.1874
Amy L. - born circa 1877
Edith C. - born circa 1878
Arthur E. - born circa 1879
Alfred H. - born circa 1880
Constance ?? - born after 1881 Census ??
POOLE William (my gr-gr-grandfather)
- born circa 1812 in North Nibley, Gloucester
- married WAITE Betsy born circa 1818 in Compton.
Their children incl. my gr-grandfather:
George - born circa 1840
Hannah - born circa 1842
Edward Charles - born 19.12.1843
William - born circa 1846
Louisa - born circa 1848
Caroline - born circa 1851
I have been searching unsuccessfully for quite some time until the recent realisation that all or part of my grandfather's family may have moved to Newport in the latter part of the 1800's.
Thanking you,
Kerry from Brisbane.
Hi List,
I'm not sure if I should be on a specific list other the genreal but I will be guided by you all.
I'm looking for a family by the name of TOURNOFF. John TOURNOFF and Mary Ann (nee ROWLES) moved to Clafney Bay from Birkenhead probably in the late 1800's. The are on the census for Birkenhead in 1881 but not in 1891.
Their grandchild was born in Clafney Bay when their parents visited from Australia in 1914 so I know they were there by then, and John supposedly died in the 1920's.
John and Mary Ann's children were Elizabeth, Alice, Sarah and Charles. All but Elizabeth (Bessie) migrated to Australia.
Would anybody have any knowledge of Clafney Bay and where I might find more information on this family (my husband's great great grandparents)?
Thank you in anticipation.
Lee Haley
Lennox Head
Australia
I'm researching a Lewis family that emigrates from Wales @ 1870. I'm looking for a 6 yr old Margaret Lewis who comes with her family. She marries in Utah and has five children with Andrew Young. It is possible they were associated with the Mormon Church when they came over, but I am not sure at this point.
If this looks familiar, I'd like to hear from you.
Stephanie in Austria
Would SKS please check a current address for me. I wish to write but feel there is a code missing and is it whitchurch or would it be Whitechurch. This is solely for the purpose of contacting a suddenly found relative for genealogical purposes.
14 Heol Cattwg
Whitchurch
Cardiff
Wales
UK
Many thanks.
Lynn Dunn-Marler nee Jones
Tweed Heads West NSW Australia ldunnmarler(a)iprimus.com.au Researching
JONES, BAILEY,BRIMBLE, BULLOCK,KELLY, McGAHAN, IVESON, LEE
Hi!
Just a note to say thanks to all who replied to my queries re: names of
pit in Pontycymmer and the queries re: JOHN & DAVID JONES and WILLIAM
WILLIAMS.
I'll be following all the leads and will let you know if I find more.
Cathrine Watson.
Cher,
Thanks for the most interesting post. I really liked the historical
explanations of current phrases. Do you know how I can find more of the
same?
Larry
Nashville, Tennessee, USA
Mary Dance married John Elliott on 15th Feb 1892, residence was Dowlais. Would anyone have any info about either of them? He was born in Derby and she in Hereford. Were they living in Merthyr in 1891? Does anyone have access to the census records for Merthyr 1891?
Thankyou
Joan Styling
Hi all!
I thought I'd start the New Year by reposting my interests:
I'm looking for info on my maternal ggfather - JOHN JONES & gfather-
DAVID JONES.
Both of them were coalminers PONTYCYMMER & in 1905 their address was :
14 Albany Road.
Does anybody know the name of the pit in Pontycymmer??
DAVID JONES married CATHERINE WILLIAMS on17 July 1905 and on the
marriage certificate both JOHN & DAVID were listed as Colliers - was
that just another name for a coalminer or could it mean that they did a
different job???
DAVID & CATHERINE JONES had 3 children:
1. CECIL JONES(b. abt 1906) who married FLORRIE ?? and their first
child was AUDREY JONES (b.21 Dec 1928).
2. JACK JONES(b.abt 1910)
3. ELIZABETH ANN JONES(b. 21 Aug 1914).
DAVID JONES went to work on the coal mines in SOUTH AFRICA in 1920 and
CATHERINE, JACK & ELIZABETH joined him in 1921 and they all remained in
S.Africa. CECIL stayed in Wales and we lost contact with him.
I live in hope that someone out there has some link to my family and
will contact me!!
Cathrine Watson
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----- Original Message -----
From: <Diputsnairb(a)aol.com>
To: <wales-gen-l-request(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 6:07 PM
Subject: Search for Lanham
Do you have any information relating to the Lanham family? My mother's
maiden
name was Lanham and was from the Mountain Ash/Aberdare region of Glamorgan.
Thanks
Brian Matthews
Thought I'd share this with you which I received from the Wiltshire list......
Regards Cher
This interesting article was sent to me by a friend in Canada and I thought
others might find it useful from a family history point of view, to get an
idea how their ancestors might have lived.
Interesting Facts!
Life in the Sixteenth Century - (the 1500's) so much for being romantic.
Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath May and
were still smelling pretty good by June. However, they were starting to
smell, so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the bad odor.
Baths equaled a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the
privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the
women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the water
was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence the saying, "Don't
throw the baby out with the bath water".
Houses had thatched roofs. Thick straw piled high, with no wood underneath.
It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the pets... dogs, cats
and other small animals, mice, rats, bugs lived in the roof. When it rained,
it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the
roof. Hence the saying, "It's raining cats and dogs."
There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a
real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could really mess
up your nice clean bed. So, they found that if they made beds with big posts
and hung a sheet over the top, it addressed that problem. Hence those
beautiful big 4 poster beds with canopies.
The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt, hence
the saying "dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors, which would get
slippery in the winter when wet. So they spread thresh on the floor to help
keep their footing. As the winter wore on they kept adding more thresh until
when you opened the door it would all start slipping outside. A piece of
wood was placed at the entryway, hence "threshold".
They cooked in the kitchen in a big kettle that always hung over the fire.
Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They mostly ate
vegetables and didn't get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner
leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the
next day. Sometimes the stew had food in it that had been in there for a
month. Hence the rhyme: "peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas
porridge in the pot nine days old."
Sometimes they could obtain pork and would feel really special when that
happened. When company came over; they would bring out some bacon and hang
it to show it off. It was a sign of wealth and that a man "could really
bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and
would all sit around and "chew the fat."
Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with a high acid content
caused some of the lead to leach onto the food. This happened most often
with tomatoes, so they stopped eating tomatoes . . .for 400 years!
Most people didn't have pewter plates, but had trenchers - a piece of wood
with the middle scooped out likes a bowl. Trenchers were never washed and a
lot of times worms got into the wood. After eating off wormy trencher, they
would get "trench mouth."
Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the
loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the "upper
crust".
Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would sometimes
knock them out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would
take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the
kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and
eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of
holding a "wake".
England is old and small, and they started running out of places to bury
people. So, they would dig up coffins and would take their bones to a house
and re-use the grave. In reopening these coffins, one out of 25 coffins were
found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been
burying people alive. So they thought they would tie a string on their wrist
and lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a
bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night to listen for
the bell. Hence on the "graveyard shift" they would know that someone was
"saved by the bell" or he was a "dead ringer."
These are 2 you can join - Midmarch is pretty good
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/MIDMARCH.htmlhttp://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS.html
Mike John
----- Original Message -----
From: <JoanneMJ(a)aol.com>
To: <WALES-GEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [WALES-GEN] Chesire Joint Sanatorium
> Thank you for the information on Market Drayton being in Shropshire. (I
got
> the address from a legal paper and assumed it was right.) Do you know if
that
> area has a GEN-L ? Do they have an information center/library that you
could
> send a letter ?
>
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Thanks for the information. I will be in Salt Lake City Utah taking a class
in Scandinavian genealogy next week, so probably join one of them after I
return.
Happy New Year
Joanne Johnson
Thank you for the information on Market Drayton being in Shropshire. (I got
the address from a legal paper and assumed it was right.) Do you know if that
area has a GEN-L ? Do they have an information center/library that you could
send a letter ?